WTH Germany?!

[@Li3n]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10116606.stm

erman citizens are responsible for the security of their own private wireless connections, a court has ruled. The ruling comes after a musician sued the owner of a network connection that had been used to illegally download and file-share music.
The owner had proof that the householder was on holiday at the time but the court ruled that the network should have been password-protected.
The court's verdict was that the owner could be fined up to 100 euros (£86).
\"Private users are obligated to check whether their wireless connection is adequately secured to the danger of unauthorized third parties abusing it to commit copyright violation,\" the court in Karlsruhe said.
While it did not find the owner guilty of actual copyright violation the ruling was that the person must take a degree of responsibility for their connection being used to break the law.
British intellectual property barrister David Harris described the verdict as \"eccentric\".
\"I don't think there is any prospect that a UK court would follow that guideline,\" he told BBC News.
\"There is no criminal provision in English law that requires you to secure a wi-fi connection, and currently no liability for the acts of another party if they misuse your connection.\"
There would be \"substantial hurdles\" to implementing this judgement in the UK, said Mr Harris.
In a similar case in the UK in 2005, Gregory Straszkiewicz was fined £500 and given a 12 months conditional discharge for using the wireless network of an Ealing resident without permission. The owner of the network was not charged.
However the Digital Economy Bill does suggest that there may be some changes to the law regarding liability in the future, he added.
\"Wifi sharing has already subsided because individuals are nervous,\" said analyst Ian Fogg from Forrester Research.
Even if there isn't a legal issue, there could still be an issue if your broadband provider or package has a limit on how much you can use your connection or terms and conditions about how it should be used.\"
Initiatives such as Fon, a collaboration between BT and other European ISPs, encourage small businesses and home owners to share their wifi connections in a secure way which separates the activity from the owner to its guest users.

Good thing he didn't leave his door unlocked, they might have fined him for getting robbed.

 

[Philosopher B.]

 

[David]

Except if he left his door unlocked, that would be entirely on him. By leaving his wifi unprotected, he allowed somebody to use it to break the law against an entirely unrelated party, so I can see the merit in this. Otherwise, people could pirate shit or download childporn than when they get caught say "My wifi is unprotected, it must have been my neighbors!" I see it as the same kind of irresponsibility as leaving a gun out unlocked where a child can reach it.

 

[drawn_inward]

That makes no sense. Make the hardware companies required to bundle a password setup require during installation.

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Except if he left his door unlocked, that would be entirely on him. By leaving his wifi unprotected, he allowed somebody to use it to break the law against an entirely unrelated party, so I can see the merit in this. Otherwise, people could pirate shit or download childporn than when they get caught say "My wifi is unprotected, it must have been my neighbors!" I see it as the same kind of irresponsibility as leaving a gun out unlocked where a child can reach it.

Not all folks understand how tech works. When I set up my folk's network, they didn't know all that stuff. They were apprehensive about setting it up after I told them.

 

[Morphine]

I was going to say the same thing as David over there...

Germany has very strict laws against copyright violations and things of that sort, pretty much no one downloads illegally and I know people that have actually gotten fines for this. If you leave your connection unprotected you have to know that other people can use it for whatever purposes they have and it's your name that's going to be on it.

 

[David]

Thought of a hole in my own argument after I wrote it. What happens when somebody downloads something illegal over a public wifi spot, such as a library or an airport? Does whoever was in charge of the particular branch become responsible? Are the let off the hook if there was a reasonable amount of illegal content filter that the user got passed anyway? How much is "reasonable": blocking all torrent traffic entirely, or blacklisting a certain number of known pirate sites?

 

[Covar]

Thought of a hole in my own argument after I wrote it. What happens when somebody downloads something illegal over a public wifi spot, such as a library or an airport? Does whoever was in charge of the particular branch become responsible? Are the let off the hook if there was a reasonable amount of illegal content filter that the user got passed anyway? How much is "reasonable": blocking all torrent traffic entirely, or blacklisting a certain number of known pirate sites?

I don't know about you but nearly every "public" hotspot has required some kind of signup or id to use.

 

[David]

My college's doesn't, nor has the wifi access to any airport I've been to.

 

[crono1224]

I am pretty sure here (united states) if someone uses your wifi to do illegal stuff it is on you, but I can't say for sure.

 

[RealBigNuke]

I am pretty sure here (united states) if someone uses your wifi to do illegal stuff it is on you, but I can't say for sure.

That's what I've been hearing for years.

Passcode your friggin' wifi.

And if yer gonna do something illegal steal your boss's wifi to do it

 

[@Li3n]

Laws about this crap are way behind, i mean you know how many times i've used someone elses IP so my internet would work faster (back when the ISPs gave out the crappiest
connections for free when they wanted to put a switch in the building) or even to have it. And yet people get convicted based on IP alone even if the hard drive didn't have the files they supposedly d/l.

Except if he left his door unlocked, that would be entirely on him. By leaving his wifi unprotected, he allowed somebody to use it to break the law against an entirely unrelated party, so I can see the merit in this.

What if they stole a gun and used it to kill someone?!

Otherwise, people could pirate shit or download childporn than when they get caught say "My wifi is unprotected, it must have been my neighbors!" I see it as the same kind of irresponsibility as leaving a gun out unlocked where a child can reach it.

That's why you'd search his HD for some trace of it... there are programs that let you see that, even if the file is deleted.

Plus, the guy proved it wasn't him, so it's not like he just argued anyone could have accessed it. Hopefully it doesn't go beyond putting a password on it.

 

[David]

A gun would be no different. If you have it locked up in some way and someobody takes it anyway, at least you made a reasonable effort to keep it from getting in the wrong hands. If you were to hand over the gun to somebody or leave it out on your porch under a sign saying "Gun here. Plz don't steal. K Thnx Bye," You'd probably get in trouble the same way a store owner would for selling a gun to a criminal without checking their history first.