[News] Ex-cop, ex-military James Dorner is waging war on the LAPD

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Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

I didn't want to be the one to post this thread since I have.. well, you know, some bias/history with the subject, BUT this is too fascinating of a story to not share. And it's ongoing. There's a lot going on with it.

First - the basic story: http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/08/us/dorner-lapd-history/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Enter Christopher Jordan Dorner, a 33-year-old, 270-pound LAPD washout who is now the most hunted man in America. He is the suspect in three killings and has dredged up the LAPD scandals in a 6,000-word rant addressed to "America" and posted on his Facebook page.
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"The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days," he wrote. "It has gotten worse. The consent decree should never have been lifted."
Dorner is angry about being fired by the LAPD. He is articulate and lucid enough to trigger flashbacks to a time not so long ago when patrol officers broke their world into two categories: "blue and everybody else."
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I'm not in any way condoning / cheering him on. I don't believe in vigilante justice or the death penalty for anyone, even corrupt cops. But this is bringing up some interesting questions, and I hope it can shine the light on police corruption.
Also... the police in the LA area are shooting random innocent people in the attempt to find Dorner. Without really giving warning or giving the people (who aren't Dorner) a chance to surrender:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...x-cop-manhunt-had-no-warning-lawyer-says?lite
Obviously this makes me think they're just trying to execute him, and there's not much of a chance he'll ever make it to jail, even if he's captured.
Also, he's released a manifesto... there are several versions floating around. Some have censored people's names / families that he calls out by name. I think the Facebook version got cut off due to length. I heard there's a version that has a part added to the end that is tonally different and adds a bunch of praise for people conservatives hate / liberal icons. People think this was added on by some far right people to set him up as a "lefty". I haven't read any of them, yet.
 
TommiR

TommiR

Regardless of how things may be in the LAPD, this guy didn't go after bad cops. He killed a woman and her fiance, just because she was the daughter of a cop he apparently had beef with. To my mind, purposefully shooting people who had nothing to do with anything eliminates even the flimsy excuse of vigilante justice. This guy is a crazy murderer, and the sooner they neutralise the threat he poses, the better.

It is very unfortunate that outsiders have died during this manhunt. Apparently some police departments there have some internal problems in need of correcting. The death of innocents, always a regrettable thing, is I think particularly bad in this case, as the bad press may force the officers on the search to be reined in. As the suspect has the training, would be familiar with police procedures, and likely has picked up some police comms gear, this has the potential to become a longer process with more innocent deaths than necessary, as the hands of the cops may become partially tied.
 
Chad Sexington

Chad Sexington

This whole thing has been just nuts to read about. I don't know what to think, other than that I hope he's caught and not killed. I'm very pro-whistleblower and transparency, but obviously this guy is violent and extreme, and seemingly has a personal vendetta with the department, which is too bad because that's going to discredit whatever truth he has produced.

It is a strange, kinda scary story.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

I hope this guy is caught before any more bodies show up, but I can't help but feel that the LAPD is more interested in killing him than in bringing him in for trial. It honestly seems like the LAPD is intent on silencing him before he gets a chance to prove his accusations true. Considering their reputation and previous actions, this is entirely possible.

At any rate, I hope this guy turns himself in... preferably to someone that won't shoot him in custody. Or at the very least that no one else gets hurt.
 
Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

TommiR said:
s may force the officers on the search to be reined in. ...

..., as the hands of the cops may become partially tied.
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The police have shot three (3) vehicles over a dozen times each without any warning, and it's a miracle none of the occupants were killed. I would hate to see the officers without their hands tied.
 
TommiR

TommiR

Yes, as I said, some police departments might have some things they need to look into once this is over. But it is quite possible to go overboard in the other direction due to outside pressure as well, as may often happen when mistakes are made in high-publicity cases. The mistakes made in this case could well result in temporary measures due to the outcry, measures that reduce in the effectiveness of the police search for the offender. Which is particularly unfortunate as the suspect is a person who has insider knowledge, not some brainless gangbanger.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

sixpackshaker said:
At least the Marshals are in on the hunt now. They'll catch him alive, but he won't be in pristine condition.
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They'll probably put him in protective custody too. If they get him, we'll know if he's got any useful insights into the corruption of the LAPD or not... and if it's not, they'll throw him in with the general population.
 
Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

Gilgamesh said:
This right here, is the real reason for this thread. Not the main subject.
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No. This is a really interesting story. I'm fucking terrified and have no idea what this guy is capable of. It would be crazy if he just disappeared. Or did anything else really crazy. I really hope he gets apprehended and something resembling the truth comes out. But I don't have any hope he won't be murdered by the police.

I would also hope that this sheds light on the numerous LAPD scandals and abuses.
 
Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

You can say whatever you want about my trolling or what I really think or say just to get a rise, but I really don't want people to get killed. Not Afghani farmers by drone strikes, not LAPD policemen, not murderers. The loss of life is...well, it's just the worst, most final thing for me. And I don't want that to happen to anyone. And this guy seems determined to bring that to the innocent and the guilty without a trial. And that's kind of terrifying! It's also kind of bewildering that with all this technology and manpower, he hasn't been caught despite .... a good solid three days of everyone looking for him.
 
Espy

Espy

I haven't heard much about it because I've been so busy... thanks for posting this thread, I now know way more. Thanks Charles.[DOUBLEPOST=1360454117][/DOUBLEPOST]
Gilgamesh said:
This right here, is the real reason for this thread. Not the main subject.
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It's obviously not, but it would be fine if it was. It's not exactly a *good* thing.
 
Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

I'm all for a serious discussion about real issues, I was simply pointing out how smart Charlie has gotten about his posting. Previously it would have been a frothing at the mouth post about how the LAPD is shooting at civilian cars with little to nothing to do about the Cop-Killer. We probably would have heard about his redeeming qualities and how the Police State of America turned him so vile. Pretty much his same type of posting in threads like -Black Kids are made criminals by the police- threads or -Drone strikes on mass murderers of civilians and soldiers are not as evil as the drone strike themselves-

Sorry if I'm not wholly convinced of the true reasons behind the thread. It's just always gotten to me how he turns things around on people who are simply doing their best to better the world, through self-sacrafice (Soldiers and Cops) by stereo-typing them using the minority as a blanket subject of fact.
 
Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Let's get off the subject of Gilgamesh's obsession with Charlie and get back to discussing how fucked up this whole scenario is.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Gilgamesh said:
I'm all for a serious discussion about real issues, I was simply pointing out how smart Charlie has gotten about his posting. Previously it would have been a frothing at the mouth post about how the LAPD is shooting at civilian cars with little to nothing to do about the Cop-Killer.
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You mean he may have learned how to turn it down and actually explain himself in a calm rational fashion and actually engage with the other people he's discussing with (so far)?

That son-of-a-bitch.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Anyways, while I'm not going to say this crazy guy has any kind of point, there definitely seems to be something weird going on, at least in the culture at LAPD in the way they're treating this.

When the "best" explanation for the scenario is, "several different officers got overly zealous and opened fire on completely the wrong people" that's really, really bad.
 
Chippy

Chippy

Gilgamesh said:
I'm all for a serious discussion about real issues, I was simply pointing out how smart Charlie has gotten about his posting. Previously it would have been a frothing at the mouth post about how the LAPD is shooting at civilian cars with little to nothing to do about the Cop-Killer. We probably would have heard about his redeeming qualities and how the Police State of America turned him so vile. Pretty much his same type of posting in threads like -Black Kids are made criminals by the police- threads or -Drone strikes on mass murderers of civilians and soldiers are not as evil as the drone strike themselves-

Sorry if I'm not wholly convinced of the true reasons behind the thread. It's just always gotten to me how he turns things around on people who are simply doing their best to better the world, through self-sacrafice (Soldiers and Cops) by stereo-typing them using the minority as a blanket subject of fact.
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jwhouk

jwhouk

This does sound like a combination of Rambo and The Wire. Of course, if you want proof as to how screwed up the LAPD is, just go back about 20 years to OJ.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

jwhouk said:
This does sound like a combination of Rambo and The Wire. Of course, if you want proof as to how screwed up the LAPD is, just go back about 20 years to OJ.
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Fun Fact: One of the officers involved with the Rodney King assault was promoted heavily and at one point was commanding over 200 officers. In fact, I believe none of the officers involved were ever fired.

Espy said:
So apparently Drones are now in the mix for finding this guy? http://gizmodo.com/5983175/report-ex cop-christopher-dorner-is-now-a-target-for-drones?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Thats interesting. I assume these aren't armed drones.
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I can only imagine the chaos there would be if the US government used an armed drone and then fired on the wrong guy. It would be a full on riot in the very least.
 
Officer_Charon

Officer_Charon

This is a highly interesting incident, for sufficiently terrifying values of interesting.

Believe it or not, y'all, I'm with Charlie on this one... the LAPD and the NYPD are the two largest and most notorious metropolitan police departments in the States - on departments that large, it would be impossible for there NOT to be incidents of corruption, favoritism and nepotism.

IF Dorner's complaints are valid, and not (as they appear to be) the rantings of an unhinged mind, they bear looking into.

Thus far, it would appear that LAPD's tension levels have been jacked up past where some people can sustain, thus resulting in the hair-trigger reactions on innocents.

I'm not going to sit here and Monday-Morning Quarterback anyone's actions here - I have no clue how I would be acting if I was patrolling in the middle of a situation like that down here. Lord knows, some neighborhoods under normal conditions are enough to up the adrenaline levels...

But I would LIKE to think that I could maintain the presence of mind to at least VERIFY my target before firing. Shustal.
 
jwhouk

jwhouk

I dunno about you, Charon, but I'm just surprised something like this hasn't happened before in one of the major police departments.


Oh, wait, it has.
 
Frank

Frank

Officer_Charon said:
This is a highly interesting incident, for sufficiently terrifying values of interesting.

Believe it or not, y'all, I'm with Charlie on this one... the LAPD and the NYPD are the two largest and most notorious metropolitan police departments in the States - on departments that large, it would be impossible for there NOT to be incidents of corruption, favoritism and nepotism.
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It's not surprising. There's double the amount of NYPD officers than there are mounties in Canada. Just based on numbers alone there has to be a great deal of this.
 
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