if Tupac as a Hologram is Superman's father, I will see this movie
The Man of Steel.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...ure=iv&hd=1&src_vid=cGsGQ_Cg338&v=dVVwa1N3TS4
The more I see of this movie the better it looks.
The more I see of this movie the better it looks.
Holy shit.
HOLY SHIT.
I need to see this movie. NOW.
HOLY SHIT.
I need to see this movie. NOW.
That's interesting.
Since Zod isn't used to have super-hearing, super-vision, etc. the stuff Superman is used to, he's getting sensory overload. I never thought about that before.
Funny. They used a similar type of scenario in the last animated movie, Superman: Unbound.
The way Superman defeats Brainiac is by ripping him from his ship onto the surface of Earth. Brainiac, so used to living in a sterile machine world that he controls, becomes overwhelmed by the chaotic sights, sounds, and creatures that inhabit the planets surface, his own super hearing catching everything around him. It is ultimately this that destroys him, as even his superior brain couldn't handle so much chaos, causing his biological parts to combust. Superman himself even goads about the fact that he learned how to control his senses, so as to no longer be effected by the chaos.
http://thrillbent.com/blog/man-of-steel-since-you-asked/
Walking Superman encyclopedia Mark Waid saw it and wrote his thoughts. There are very heavy spoilers for it.
And...well, I was tired from work and not in a very good mood, so I said screw it and read it. Now I'm not only in a worst mood, but I feel sick to my stomach.
Here's the big spoiler. The one that, when I read it, I instantly said, "No. That's not Superman. I don't want to see this movie anymore."
The big spoiler? Seriously, don't click if you don't want to know:
I'm really, really, really considering not bothering with this piece of shit at all.
Walking Superman encyclopedia Mark Waid saw it and wrote his thoughts. There are very heavy spoilers for it.
And...well, I was tired from work and not in a very good mood, so I said screw it and read it. Now I'm not only in a worst mood, but I feel sick to my stomach.
Here's the big spoiler. The one that, when I read it, I instantly said, "No. That's not Superman. I don't want to see this movie anymore."
The big spoiler? Seriously, don't click if you don't want to know:
Superman defeats Zod by snapping his neck, killing him.
SUPERMAN. DOES. NOT. FUCKING. KILL. Most especially in not such a bullshit, cold-blooded way.
And yes, I know he killed once in the comics before. Three Kyrptonian criminals. But doing so broke him mentally. Nervous breakdown and left Earth. It killed him to do so.
SUPERMAN. DOES. NOT. FUCKING. KILL. Most especially in not such a bullshit, cold-blooded way.
And yes, I know he killed once in the comics before. Three Kyrptonian criminals. But doing so broke him mentally. Nervous breakdown and left Earth. It killed him to do so.
I'm really, really, really considering not bothering with this piece of shit at all.
Well... they were going for a darker and grittier Superman, I guess... but yeah, that's pretty bullshit.
The only way I could see them salvaging it is if they have Superman agonize over it in the inevitable sequel. If killing Zod sets him on the path towards his never-kill philosophy, if that's what it takes for him to realize the sanctity of life, then there's potential for character development there.
But still, c'mon, it's total bullshit. Not killing is an integral part of the Big Blue Boyscout's character. It's like making Batman no longer an orphan, or having Spider-man not quip during fights, or taking away Deadpool's ability to talk, or turning the Phoenix Force into an alternate personality instead of a cosmic entity.
Yes, I realize they actually did the last three in comic book movies. And they all sucked ass.
But still, c'mon, it's total bullshit. Not killing is an integral part of the Big Blue Boyscout's character. It's like making Batman no longer an orphan, or having Spider-man not quip during fights, or taking away Deadpool's ability to talk, or turning the Phoenix Force into an alternate personality instead of a cosmic entity.
Yes, I realize they actually did the last three in comic book movies. And they all sucked ass.
Don't bother with it. I never understand this line of thinking. By going, knowing what you know, you're giving your dollar vote in support of this movie. I've heard enough that I will be staying far away from the movie entirely.
QUIT GOING TO MOVIES THAT YOU KNOW ARE BAD, PEOPLE!!!!
It's the main reason horrible movies keep getting top grosses.
Wired review.
That ain't Superman. That ain't Pa Kent.
Fuck you Nolan.
Fuck you Snyder.
Fuck this movie.
That ain't Superman. That ain't Pa Kent.
Fuck you Nolan.
Fuck you Snyder.
Fuck this movie.
Serious question: as someone who doesn't read comics beyond occasionally picking up a trade of the more famous events/series, I really haven't read a lot of Superman. I did just read Crisis on Infinite Earths (somewhat regrettably), and I distinctly remember that after Supergirl dies, Supes was all "I'm gonna kill this motherfucker". I'm guessing that this was out of character for him then? I guess I didn't think anything of it at the time because, you know...extinction of all living matter and all that.
Thank Christ everyone's agreeing with me on here. I have a friend on Facebook who constantly judges me for choosing not to see a movie because of bullshit. Like the recent Star Trek rehashing Wrath of Khan rather than trying something different (including all the bullshit surrounding that).
This is different. This violates one of Superman's core character traits.
The sad thing is, because I'm such a huge Superman fan, I feel like I need to see it so I know exactly what I'm arguing against. But honestly? That one huge character violation is enough for me. Warner Bros. has been trying to make Superman darker and grittier for a long time now. They finally got their wish.
This is different. This violates one of Superman's core character traits.
The sad thing is, because I'm such a huge Superman fan, I feel like I need to see it so I know exactly what I'm arguing against. But honestly? That one huge character violation is enough for me. Warner Bros. has been trying to make Superman darker and grittier for a long time now. They finally got their wish.
Eh. You can say a lot of things about Nolan's Batman, but as far as I remember, he was plenty gritty and dark and still managed to stick to the "Batman doesn't kill" part of the story. I don't see how or why Supes would need to kill all of a sudden, unlss it's in an effort to one-up Batman, or, possibly, because of what Bhamv said...
I wasn't really planning on seeing this, and now I certainly don't. Plenty of other good movies playing I haven't seen yet.
I wasn't really planning on seeing this, and now I certainly don't. Plenty of other good movies playing I haven't seen yet.
Star Trek Into Darkness is not just a rehashing of Wrath of Khan. That's not to say it doesn't include references and nods, but they are two very different movies. To put it in perspective if Into Darkness is a rehash, then Superman Returns (talk about violating core character traits) was just a screening of the Donnor films.
(Bring on the disagrees)
Sorry not sorry, but I loved it. It's all fine and dandy that you guys aren't going to see it, but I'm disappointed that you can't go enjoy something. I honestly don't expect you all to ever change your mind but I think you should know...
So, hate on this movie, it's your right to do so. I just think you're making a mistake in letting others decide for you when it comes to films.
I will be going to see it again.
Sorry not sorry, but I loved it. It's all fine and dandy that you guys aren't going to see it, but I'm disappointed that you can't go enjoy something. I honestly don't expect you all to ever change your mind but I think you should know...
The reason Superman kills Zod is because Zod vows to never stop killing humans. Zod and his military forces berate Superman for over half of the film about how they will kill 1 million humans for every 1 that Superman saves. At the end during the final battle, Zod reminds Superman that he will never stop - he was created for the soul purpose of protecing Krypton, for protecting the people of Krypton and that means destroying earth. So he has no morals, he will kill anyone and everyone. And Superman still doesn't kill him. An insane fight later, Superman has Zod in a headlock and there they struggle, Zod spotting a family in the corner. Zod begins to laser vision them, as the father sheilds his family. Superman is begging Zod to please stop, don't do this. But Zod reminds Supes that he will never stop. So, Superman snaps his neck. Then weeps, cries out. Lois goes to hug him, but he doesn't even get up, he just kneels on the ground hugging her, sobbing. I think it makes a bigger impact as well, that they've set up from earlier in the film, that he doesn't want a family to go through what he went through - he watched Daddy Kent die. So, he saves them the only, THE ONLY, way he can.
So, hate on this movie, it's your right to do so. I just think you're making a mistake in letting others decide for you when it comes to films.
I will be going to see it again.
I disagree on two fronts, there. The whole Star Trek movie might not have been a rehash of Wrath of Khan, but the ending was, complete with the "sacrifice" done the exact same, but with a twist. And Superman Returns didn't really violate any core character traits as far as I can think of. It was continuation of the Donner films, trying to mimic the same style, not a rehash.[DOUBLEPOST=1371217778][/DOUBLEPOST]
And you lost me. Insulting me won't win me over to your side of the argument.
If I edit it, will you read the rest of it? Because I think it's important. I just felt like you were insulting me because I went to, and really enjoyed 'a piece of shit' film. I thought you wouldn't be resonable, no matter what I said.
I apologize.
I apologize.
I'm not even that big of a Superman fan, as we've talked about before, but if I'm going to see Superman, then damnit, I want to see the big blue boyscout. Turning Superman into a murderer is like walking in to find Mr Rogers beating his wife.
I did read it and I'm sorry, it still violates Superman's core character. Read Mark Waid's interpretation of what you described in the link I provided.
Well, that's okay, and I'm sorry you won't be seeing it. But I still enjoyed, and will enjoy it again.
I'm at work right now, so I'll read the link when I get off.
Red sun room. What's that you say? Well remember how in the first X-Men after stopping Magneto without killing him, even though it's pretty clear he's never going to stop trying to lower humanity to second class citizens? At the end of the movie he is sent to a really visually cool plastic prison, which makes him unable to use his powers. A red sun room is the same thing, sealed off prison cell where the only light is red sunlight. This is also not a new idea to the Superman mythos.
Superman Returns was dangerously close to being a shot for shot remake of Superman 1. The parts that were different give us Deadbeat Dad Superman, Child endangerment Lois Lane, and The only character who acts like a decent person but is to dumb to do basic math Perry White's Son. Bottom line, every good part of that movie except for one (Shuttle rescue, which even then ends with "Hey remember that line we all loved from the first movie?") is available on my Superman the Movie DVD, and is done much better there.
Returns rant over, I'm glad to see that my lack of faith in Man of Steel being something other than a piece of trash has been justified. Hopefully Monsters U and Pacific Rim turn out okay.
Superman Returns was dangerously close to being a shot for shot remake of Superman 1. The parts that were different give us Deadbeat Dad Superman, Child endangerment Lois Lane, and The only character who acts like a decent person but is to dumb to do basic math Perry White's Son. Bottom line, every good part of that movie except for one (Shuttle rescue, which even then ends with "Hey remember that line we all loved from the first movie?") is available on my Superman the Movie DVD, and is done much better there.
Returns rant over, I'm glad to see that my lack of faith in Man of Steel being something other than a piece of trash has been justified. Hopefully Monsters U and Pacific Rim turn out okay.
I have been worried every since the whole "Maybe" line from Pa Kent and the scene that shows Superman punch Zod through a 7/11 store, blowing it and likely anyone near it up. Looks like my fears end up being justified.
I'll likely still go see it. I have missed only one Superman Movie in the Theaters and that was IV. Because III was bad enough and even the trailers for IV were bad.
Hell I went into the Transformer movies knowing they would suck. I might as well help out a franchise that I actually like.
Hell I went into the Transformer movies knowing they would suck. I might as well help out a franchise that I actually like.
Same here. I was incredibly angry when I wrote "piece of shit." For all I know, it's actually a very good movie. But imagine if someone took your favourite thing and did something with it that should never be a part of it.
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