It wasn't an instantaneous scene, it's obviously months after. Especially with the way Snyder was cutting time passing in that film from scene to scene with no transition.
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I dunno about months, seemed more like a day or two at most for me. It's unlikely the government would wait months to start searching for Superman's background, more likely they'd start immediately. And it's unlikely it'd take months for Superman to realize they're looking for him.
Also, remember in that scene he's meant to be nonchalantly threatening the general. "Stop looking for me, or else it won't turn out good for you guys." It'd be counterproductive to be emo.
The way Snyder was cutting his movie, it seemed more like a day or two that Lois was able to figure out who Clark was, when obviously it was much longer. It is also unlikely that the government knew where to look right away so Supes most likely let them nose around a while till it got uncomfortable THEN he came and the scene happened.
PTSD isn't something you control/turn off/on
Yeah, I suppose it's up to each viewer to interpret as they want. It seemed closer to days than to months, for me.
EDIT: I just remembered that the first great super-powered battle in this particular canon took place in Smallville. Given how the government's presence is definitely going to be felt around the area for a while, with the rebuilding and all, and given how multiple people know of Clark Kent showing weird tendencies in the past, it probably wouldn't take long for someone in the government or military to put two and two together. So I still think it took less than months.
Nor is it, as far as I know, something that manifests 24/7. He could be traumatized by his experience, yet still be able to carry on a civil conversation with the general.
Having said that though, I'm actually agreeing with you that Superman didn't seem too choked up about killing Zod. The director and screenwriters probably wanted him to be, but they didn't convey it very well.
To pull off what the director wanted to do, he would've needed to be more talented director.
Snyder needs to find a collaborator. He can handle the visuals and the collaborator can handle the actual acting...
I have avoided this thread until I watched MoS. I thought it was pretty good. I don't get the crowd that is saying "that if I like Michael Bay then you will like MoS."
I thought Michael Shannon was great, as well as the rest of his group.
Russell Crowe was stoic.
Superman (don't know the actor) was pretty good.
Lois Lane - the acting was ok, but her part was way way too big.
I did like Kevin Costner and Diane Lane.
I didn't care for the cliched stuff: Supes kissing, her running to Grand Central, tough-guy military dude, etc.
Also, I couldn't care less about Perry White et al. that should've been cut.
I also didn't like that it felt like Independence Day in a few scenes.
Overall, I'd give it 3.5/5.
I thought Michael Shannon was great, as well as the rest of his group.
Russell Crowe was stoic.
Superman (don't know the actor) was pretty good.
Lois Lane - the acting was ok, but her part was way way too big.
I did like Kevin Costner and Diane Lane.
I didn't care for the cliched stuff: Supes kissing, her running to Grand Central, tough-guy military dude, etc.
Also, I couldn't care less about Perry White et al. that should've been cut.
I also didn't like that it felt like Independence Day in a few scenes.
Overall, I'd give it 3.5/5.
Hmm...I think no, personally.
It's... plausible. I think.
Same here, I also enjoyed it very much. Fortunately for me, I don't have an uncompromising vision of Superman, so that certainly helps
I always loved that Lex speech, and I still sometimes quote it for no reason at all. "It's the one thing they're not making more of."
So I'm finally breaking down and seeing it tonight. We'll see if I can watch it without walking out in the third act.
Yeah, he's seeing the Big Bang Theory girl who's name I do not know.
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Kaley Cuoco.
http://nickpiers.wordpress.com/2013/07/09/man-of-steel/
Here's a very long and very spoilery discussion on the movie.
Overall? I liked it. I liked it a lot, in fact. Save for THAT MOMENT at the end of the third act, it was a great Superman movie. They nailed the character, save for a couple of minor things (like a scene involving petty revenge against a trucker). Cavil and Adams are perfectly casted, as is Michael Shannon, who presents a very different Zod.
I'm still incredibly torn on THAT MOMENT, but given the circumstances and how it was presented? I can at least sort of - SORT OF - understand. In fact, I very much empathized Superman for the decision.
The action was fantastic. And honestly, 99% of the collateral damage in the movie is caused by the invading aliens. Regarding, at least, the gas station scene, I might say that Superman was blinded by rage, the cornfield they were flying through, and punching the crap out of Zod.
Here's a very long and very spoilery discussion on the movie.
Overall? I liked it. I liked it a lot, in fact. Save for THAT MOMENT at the end of the third act, it was a great Superman movie. They nailed the character, save for a couple of minor things (like a scene involving petty revenge against a trucker). Cavil and Adams are perfectly casted, as is Michael Shannon, who presents a very different Zod.
I'm still incredibly torn on THAT MOMENT, but given the circumstances and how it was presented? I can at least sort of - SORT OF - understand. In fact, I very much empathized Superman for the decision.
The action was fantastic. And honestly, 99% of the collateral damage in the movie is caused by the invading aliens. Regarding, at least, the gas station scene, I might say that Superman was blinded by rage, the cornfield they were flying through, and punching the crap out of Zod.
Honestly, the idea that a guy, who is just deciding to start pushing his powers and fight off a bunch of dudes with tons of training and HE HAS NONE is going to be far less precise than a guy who has been Superman for 10 years.
The destruction seemed very logical to me.
And as much as I felt torn about the scene you refer to? Again, inexperienced dude who made that best decision he could and is going to pay for it. I'm guessing thats where he's getting a part of his "I won't do this" creed from. From his own experience. What a crazy idea.
I really want to see this again but in Imax. I'm so happy you liked it Nick. So happy.
It's like I can see the resurrection of the inner Superman fan.It's funny, too, because I went into this not expecting to hate it. I expected to hate the third act. But the movie gradually won me over.
I didn't LOVE it, but I didn't hate it, either. I liked it.
I didn't LOVE it, but I didn't hate it, either. I liked it.
I wished they'd ended it at him walking out the door. Turning the other cheek is more in sync with the Superman I know. If I re-wrote that scene, I would've had him stand there and take it, asking the guy again to leave while the asshole wears himself out trying either beat him up (like he tried) or the bully just walking off because someone's not scared of him.
But again, it was a minor thing and not something that bothered me that much in the long run.
Glad you finally saw it. A few things to also consider.
1. He really was on his first few days of being 'Superman'. He was learning 'on the job'. He'd 'just' learned to fly, still didn't *movie timeline-wise doesn't* know all his limits and what his powers are yet. Whether you want to go earlier Superman Movies or comics, he never spent a good training time with Jor El. He basically spent an afternoon with his Father who basically told him "You're capable of incredible things, Push yourself."
2. I think Zod, after seeing his purpose in life, The Reason he Fracking Existed end, was basically putting himself in the position of suicide by cop. People keep saying Supes should have 'Flown him out of there', except that doesn't really work. *I got you in a headlock and now I'll use my flying powers to zoom us out of here!! Well, I'll use MY flying powers to keep us right here, Kal,*
3. That headlock wasn't stopping Zod's eye movement, he could have vaporized those folks easily. With no more Phantom Zone to send him to, or other way to contain him longtime *which kind of negates 'the hands over eyes argument'*, Zod basically put him in a 'Choose A or B, I'm not going to leave you a C, Kal El'
I'd personally have liked to see Superman try these other options, and fail, to establish that he really does have no choice.
The flying thing admittedly could have been done quickly on film *Supes trying to fly out and Zod just calmly saying "No", as to the other thing, with Zod's Kryptonian Military training, he had already pretty much approached what Clark had accomplished. While I don't think Clark was thinking upon these lines, with no real counter-agent, if Clark had tried for some type of containment, Zod would have cleaned his clock. The guy was a General from an advanced culture, and all the various training that ensues, that now had super powers compared with someone that pretty much ONLY had super powers.
Thinking on it, I think Zod *could* have taken him, but having no Krypton left to fight for, and hating the person who had taken that from him, he got his ultimate suicide revenge. "I'll make you choose between them or being the last Kryptonian"
p.s. I suppose the latter could have been done with some on screen talk. But I'll stick with the fact that Zod was slowly walking his heat vision up the wall and pausing at the end, was him putting the agony of choice to clark.
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