That's definitely the moment that it crystallizes into pure awesome.Hunchback of Notre Dame has been my favorite Disney movie ever since I watched it and it got to the Hellfire scene. It's just amazing.
RIP Tony Jay
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This could easily derail into just me talking about how much I like Hunchback.
As I mentioned in the wall of text up top there, everything in this movie was much more complex and mature than you typically find in a Disney movie. Having the villain sing about lust and obsession, while going mad as it conflicts with his faith and sense of virtue, is pretty ballsy for a Disney movie. Even Esmeralda is the most sexualized, sensual of all the Disney characters. I mean, Disney tends to make their female characters very pretty, but this woman knows how to work it.
Just look at what happens if you change the music in her dance number.
Damn Frollo... I'd obsess too.
As I mentioned in the wall of text up top there, everything in this movie was much more complex and mature than you typically find in a Disney movie. Having the villain sing about lust and obsession, while going mad as it conflicts with his faith and sense of virtue, is pretty ballsy for a Disney movie. Even Esmeralda is the most sexualized, sensual of all the Disney characters. I mean, Disney tends to make their female characters very pretty, but this woman knows how to work it.
Just look at what happens if you change the music in her dance number.
Damn Frollo... I'd obsess too.
No doubt. Hearing Tony Jay in Soul Reaver or on Reboot, you would never believe he could belt out a song like that. Most REAL voice actors (not just a celebrity in the movie providing their own voice) seem to be ridiculously talented singers as well. He was in mid-60's when he made that movie.Hunchback of Notre Dame has been my favorite Disney movie ever since I watched it and it got to the Hellfire scene. It's just amazing.
RIP Tony Jay
I really couldn't stand Hercules. And I'm not going to give it another chance because my wife is obsessed with Greek mythology and even as a kid going to that movie with her mom, she spent the running time whispering "That's not right" or "That's not how it happened". And let me tell you, I'm not subjecting myself to an hour and a half of my wife being right.
Okay, seriously, I did watch this multiple times the summer of 2005 and came to recognize a lot of subtlety in the bits that seemed like junk (Timon and Pumba), but also came to recognize the brilliance of the scene after Simba storms away from Nala and yells at the sky, then Rafiki shows up. Every moment of that scene is glorious, especially the music. Mufasa's death no longer gets me teary-eyed--it's when Mufasa appears in the sky accusing Simba, "You have forgotten me", the response of shock and dismay in Simba's voice, the music swelling as Mufasa tells him what to do, and then Simba chasing the cloud calling "Don't leave me"--that gets to me.
The guy in charge of Aladdin was the guy in charge of Shrek after he was let go from Disney, Jeffrey Katzenberg.
No, no, you don't understand. You have to watch this movie over and over while babysitting to really appreciate. Watch it so many times that when you're alone and don't have to watch it, you feel watching it again anyway. Just try it, you'll see. You'll learn to love every moment of it. I'm living proof. Hehehehe ....
Okay, seriously, I did watch this multiple times the summer of 2005 and came to recognize a lot of subtlety in the bits that seemed like junk (Timon and Pumba), but also came to recognize the brilliance of the scene after Simba storms away from Nala and yells at the sky, then Rafiki shows up. Every moment of that scene is glorious, especially the music. Mufasa's death no longer gets me teary-eyed--it's when Mufasa appears in the sky accusing Simba, "You have forgotten me", the response of shock and dismay in Simba's voice, the music swelling as Mufasa tells him what to do, and then Simba chasing the cloud calling "Don't leave me"--that gets to me.
I still absolutely love the Lion King. Perhaps it's because I was already an adult when it came out, so I don't have any childhood nostalgia attached to it. I also love the soundtrack from beginning to end. The only reason Hakuna Matata got so annoying was because it was WAY oversaturated in the media.
I was 8 when I saw it in theaters (what the hell, that was after Jurassic Park?!) and I'm totally onboard with you, so there's no destroyed nostalgia. Some movies just change in how you see them over time. For example, I'm pretty sure a lot of kids, myself included, thought Timon and Pumba were the funniest things in history. Now they're kind of just there, but they don't ruin the movie for me. They provide an important point of conflict for Simba, offering a life of no work, stress, or responsibility, which is now how he was raised or how his father brought him up.
Hell, some movies it's not as simple as child vs adult. When I first saw The Dark Crystal as a kid, I was floored by it. Then when I saw it again as a teenager, I found it kind of boring. Now as an adult I've come to appreciate it again, and it's one of my favorite movies.
I feel like this should be its own thread; movies you used to love and stopped, or didn't like and now do, or just that your perception changed on how you like them.
Nope, it's one of my faves, too.
Hercules isn't a good film. But it's a fun film. And you really have to appreciate what they did with it. It's kind of like one of the old Mickey Mouse/Bugs Bunny shorts with all the caricature-like characters and pop culture elements. It's bright and colorful. The songs, though they may be inappropriate for the setting, are energized and fun. It doesn't stick to the original myths because it's a satire about fame, the fans, and being a hero.
And whenever I think of this film I think about one of my absolutely favorite Disney songs.
And whenever I think of this film I think about one of my absolutely favorite Disney songs.
I think that's fair.
It's just hard for me to divorce knowledge of Greek myth when watching it. I was in elementary school when they started showing the Kevin Sorbo Hercules movies (and later TV series), so even though I was still a kid when the Disney film came out, I was already used to a more complex Greek universe, even though the show still got a ton of things wrong.
I agree with whoever on Channel Awesome said that it seemed like Disney really wanted to make a Superman movie, and since they couldn't they used one of the characters that inspired Superman instead. It feels like a Superman movie and his whole being brought up on a farm and then meeting
Also, I'm so tired of Hades being the villain in Greek myth movies. Fuck you Percy Jackson, fuck you Clash of the Titans remake. Hades is not the Greek equivalent of Satan. He didn't want Olympus, he didn't even want to live on Olympus. He was the fucking god of the dead--why wouldn't he want that? And because he lived secluded, he kind of ended up doing fewer dick moves (aside from the bit with Persephone) than a lot of the other gods, chief among them being Zeus "Gotta fuck 'em all" king of the gods.
The Town
Goddamn that was a good movie. Really kicking myself for not seeing it sooner.
Goddamn that was a good movie. Really kicking myself for not seeing it sooner.
Yup. Took me by surprise.
What'd ya think of the big surprise?
It was incredibly kid-friendly and inaccurate to NUMEROUS aspects of the original legends. So...yeah I definitely liked it. I prefer kid friendly nice Zeus rather than evil cow sex Zeus.
Though why they decided to shave Hercules' GLORIOUS beard I don't know.
Because Kevin Sorbo did it first!
Oooooooooooooooh yeaaaaaaaaah, I keep forgetting that show was a thing! Which is odd because I was around when it was starting out, I saw some of the animated movie when I was a kid, and see peeks of it when I am watching The Hub. Never registered in my brain as thing status.
THIS!
In a pantheon of gods who were, to be honest, really all jealous petty jerks, Hades was one of the more level headed gods. As with most mythologies of the land of the dead, people tend to forget that Hades was just as much a keeper of the Elysian fields as he was Tartarus. People tend to associate the greek underworld with the christian hell, when the two are completely different concepts.
I don't know. Hades had his fair share of dick moves. Ask Persephone.
Pfft, she was just playing hard to get.
Compared to Zeus or Hera, he was a saint.
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We also would have accepted: She shouldn't have worn such a short toga.
Or even "I'm sure she was very mature for her age."
Yeah, I mentioned that in the quote. This is why you never use parentheses, people never look in the parentheses (because they're inbred).
Yup.
Yeah, well your FACE never uses parentheses!
Oh, that's right. I went there.
It's (not) okay, Nick. I will not (stop myself from) destroy(ing) you.
What I find weird is how Typhon is hardly shown as a villain in media. He has a body of a hundred snakes, is super big, and breathes FIRE! That's some straight up daikaiju shit right there!
I thought it was brilliant. It's why I love the Iron Man movies - where else would a big reveal result in a laugh out loud moment.
I blame Saint Seiya.
Which was the shit when I was 8. But also massively stupid. But also the shit.
Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs 2
Excellent. The villain was probably my favourite. The Clone High influence is strongly felt in that character.
Excellent. The villain was probably my favourite. The Clone High influence is strongly felt in that character.