Sounds like you're ready to drop the libertarianism for the Tea Party.
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GasBandit
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The Tea party has a whole lot in common with libertarianism. I have to admit I identify with the tea partiers like Cruz, Lee and Paul much more than the establishment republicans like McConnell, Boehner, Cornyn or McCain. I think if the republican party does splinter, a lot of the Tea Party types will suddenly realize they should have been Libertarians all along.
Right, and people are getting tired of that. They see absolutely nothing getting done in Washington because of it.
GasBandit
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"Nothing" is an improvement. Gridlock is preferable to continuation of the trend. And more people are coming to agree with me.
Not in any of the Euro countries. Heck, Belgium's still getting thousands of illegal immigrants, because they know that, while here, they'll be fed, clothed, educated, and medically treated - and they can easily stay for a few months as out bureaucracy is horrible.
Numbers have dropped off significantly since we stopped providing illegal, unwanted immigrants from anywhere (yes, literally, we had Dutchmen claiming piolitical asylum for the benefits) with about €650 a month and replaced it with "only" the necessities and an allowance.
You can imagein our right wing politicians aren't big fans, but hey, Europe
Well it really comes down to whether healthcare is a human right or not.
Right now no one, immigrant or otherwise, is turned away if they have an emergency healthcare issue in the US. So we already provide universal emergency healthcare, no matter how you slice the population up, and that has existed since the 80's. In some places illegal immigrants find that if they seek healthcare they may get a visit from INS, but that doesn't prevent them from receiving emergency care at the time that they need it. Being able to receive healthcare doesn't also guarantee that you are immune from following the laws of the nation, but that shouldn't be surprising, hospital workers are required to report gunshot wounds to the police. Healthcare doesn't need to be anonymous to fit the rule of universal.
That doesn't mean that we provide comprehensive health maintenance to everyone, though.
So at what point is it a human right? Just for life saving? For regular check ups, cancer care, etc? For elective medication like birth control?
It's that question w are struggling with as a nation, and providing truly universal emergency healthcare to everyone, and adding comprehensive health maintenance to over 90% of the citizens with 98% or more coverage to those unable to afford it themselves isn't a small thing.
It may still fall short of the goals some want to pursue, but providing healthcare to those who are here illegally and have no legal right to be inside the country, never mind benefiting from public social programs is going to be a contentious issue for a long time to come. Many people don't believe comprehensive healthcare is a human right, and that emergency healthcare is far enough.
Right now no one, immigrant or otherwise, is turned away if they have an emergency healthcare issue in the US. So we already provide universal emergency healthcare, no matter how you slice the population up, and that has existed since the 80's. In some places illegal immigrants find that if they seek healthcare they may get a visit from INS, but that doesn't prevent them from receiving emergency care at the time that they need it. Being able to receive healthcare doesn't also guarantee that you are immune from following the laws of the nation, but that shouldn't be surprising, hospital workers are required to report gunshot wounds to the police. Healthcare doesn't need to be anonymous to fit the rule of universal.
That doesn't mean that we provide comprehensive health maintenance to everyone, though.
So at what point is it a human right? Just for life saving? For regular check ups, cancer care, etc? For elective medication like birth control?
It's that question w are struggling with as a nation, and providing truly universal emergency healthcare to everyone, and adding comprehensive health maintenance to over 90% of the citizens with 98% or more coverage to those unable to afford it themselves isn't a small thing.
It may still fall short of the goals some want to pursue, but providing healthcare to those who are here illegally and have no legal right to be inside the country, never mind benefiting from public social programs is going to be a contentious issue for a long time to come. Many people don't believe comprehensive healthcare is a human right, and that emergency healthcare is far enough.
GasBandit
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People don't even know what a "right" means any more. I have a right to a gun, it doesn't mean that somebody has to buy it for me.
According to polls, I'm not so sure they are.
I was mostly kidding, but if you want to be associated with those racist wingnuts, be my guest.
GasBandit
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Racism isn't the sole purview of any one political party.[DOUBLEPOST=1382027499,1382027418][/DOUBLEPOST]
That's fine. I'm confident enough in my assertion to just wait and watch. It doesn't break my arm or pick my pocket if you don't agree with me.
It's an elephant carcass that needs the heave-ho. You missed a golden opportunity on a symbol there Gas! c'mon!
Saying emergency rooms are a valid option for healthcare strikes me as odd. Can you imagine telling your family that? Sometimes I think those of you who say healthcare isn't a right are too far from the problems and people who are affected by the fear associated with discovering a problem and having to decide if it is severe enough to go to an emergency room or suffer through it and potentially die from it.
GasBandit
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That is a horrible analogy on all levels.
I make up in volume what I lack in quality.
Seriously, though. If someone tells me my brakes are going bad, I'm not like, "But they're working right now, aren't they? Nothing to worry about!" No, I start saving and get those suckers changed as soon as possible, because that's a life-threatening situation, there. Cars, people, electronics, houses, whatever...we need more focus on helping people get that ounce of prevention rather than making everyone take the pound of cure.
--Patrick
With a vehicle, you have an option of going without one at all. You can remove it from the equation. Not so with healthcare issues.
Also, that ounce of prevention could turn out to be something that could bankrupt you.
Thanks, @Gilgamesh . With all the funny ratings you've been giving me, I've moved up to third place overall: https://www.halforums.com/members/?type=positive_ratings
GasBandit
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Hmpf. It's a long way to the top, if you wanna rock and roll.
(I don't even know how I got there)
Well you are the 4th funniest poster on HF, you deserve it!
It's something you can't understand because you're older than me. Talk to me when you're younger than me and then I'll consider you're argument and you may have a point, until then you're just wasting my time.
So do you ever intend to actually contribute to the conversation, or just sit back and throw out incredibly unoriginal "zingers"?
That reminds me, now that the shutdown is over, we can afford to fix my wife's brakes.
GasBandit
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When properly licensed.
Sit back and throw out incredibly unoriginal "zingers." Why join the shouting match when I can have more fun just reading it.
Fine, fine crowd to identify with.
Is this the moment they reveal themselves as cackling super villains?
Alternatively: So they want everyone in the Tea Party BUT THE GAYS?!?!?!11? Color me surprised that this came from the conservative community.
Alternatively: So they want everyone in the Tea Party BUT THE GAYS?!?!?!11? Color me surprised that this came from the conservative community.
GasBandit
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I'd like the link, FYI - I suspect, thanks to google, it comes from TPM, quoting the website "Right Wing Watch." Shall I just start posting everything that comes across Free Republic and expect it to have the same gravitas, be treated with the same stern solemnity? Somehow I don't see that happening.
Regardless, you're now painting an entire movement based upon the words of one who claims them (but not necessarily vice versa). Were they so inclined, the media could find just as many opportunities for character spotlights that paint Democrats, Republicans, whoever you could name in a bad light just by scrutinizing the moments and drive of individuals at their worst - be it Obama off his 'prompter preaching socialism, the corruption of elected officials of both sides who don't think minor things like laws apply to them because they're of the elite class, or any given person alive in an unscripted moment of frustration. Americans For Truth, furthermore, is not a "tea party" organization, it's an anti-gay organization apparently trying to latch on to the tea party movement to further their own cause which has a lot less to do with liberty and freedom and a lot more to do with social tyranny. If AFT is the tea party, then the Ku Klux Klan is the Democrats.