[Movies] The DC Cinematic Universe - The David Zazlav Dumpster Fire.

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

That's exactly it. The executives at WB aren't willing to let superheroes be superheroes. The only reason they're able to get away with Batman is because Batman is basically just a James Bond or Jason Bourne movie but with a nutcase in a bat-suit. Anything outside of that and they just don't seem to understand how it works.

I think the biggest problem is producer Jon Peters, who we've seen Kevin Smith give his person take on in his Superman rant. The guy is a complete nutcase who doesn't understand the comic book or especially superhero medium AT ALL. And yet you'll see his name on all the superhero projects.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

filmfanatic said:
This is a bit different than the topic, but some might find it interesting. Apparently, screenwriter Max Landis was approached by DC with doing a weekly series rebooting the Death and Return of Superman. While his schedule and internal comflicts at DC prevented it from happening, here's his pitch on how he would approach the Death and Return of Superman.

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I like some of his ideas, like the Doomsday incident being a shaky coming together moment for the Justice League, and the Batman training Superman thing mirrors some of my concerns about how Superman never seems to know how to fight. I'm not sure I like some of the reinvention of Superman history--obviously in a standalone comic series, that's fine, but my issue with some of it is that the "a-ha!" moments are only so because we're familiar with those characters outside of that standalone story. Taken by itself, they just seem like random character appearances without internal context.[DOUBLEPOST=1390022792,1390022737][/DOUBLEPOST]
Bowielee said:
It stands no chance.
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It'll probably do fine. People can see more than one movie in a month and often do.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Zero Esc said:
I like some of his ideas, like the Doomsday incident being a shaky coming together moment for the Justice League, and the Batman training Superman thing mirrors some of my concerns about how Superman never seems to know how to fight. I'm not sure I like some of the reinvention of Superman history--obviously in a standalone comic series, that's fine, but my issue with some of it is that the "a-ha!" moments are only so because we're familiar with those characters outside of that standalone story. Taken by itself, they just seem like random character appearances without internal context.[DOUBLEPOST=1390022792,1390022737][/DOUBLEPOST]

It'll probably do fine. People can see more than one movie in a month and often do.
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FYI, Superman is proficient in Boxing (trained by Wildcat, as are 90% of the Justice League), and two seperate Kryptonian martial arts (one physical, the other psychic).
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Bowielee said:
FYI, Superman is proficient in Boxing (trained by Wildcat, as are 90% of the Justice League), and two seperate Kryptonian martial arts (one physical, the other psychic).
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Didn't know that. My experience with Superman is mainly the DCAU + the first two Christopher Reeves movies, so I only know what I do about the comics from the internet.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Plus, he spent several years world-travelling and self-assessing. I've always figured that included learning how to fight, just in case. I imagine he'd see the benefits of learning certain principles that various fighting schools would teach.
 
Espy

Espy

Meh, delays are probably a good thing, 2015 sounded rushed. If rumors of filming some kind of JlA movie at the same time bear out any truth that would make this make even more sense.
 
evilmike

evilmike

There has also been some rumors that Ben Affleck may not have had as firm a grasp on his role as everyone thought...

 
Bubble181

Bubble181

ThatNickGuy said:
Plus, he spent several years world-travelling and self-assessing. I've always figured that included learning how to fight, just in case. I imagine he'd see the benefits of learning certain principles that various fighting schools would teach.
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Given the darker/more serious tone of the newer Superman, I can see how it would make sense to lear martial arts to disable people effectively and close up, to avoid collateral damage and such.
 
Yoshimickster

Yoshimickster

People always questioning how the man shaves, how the man fights, I wanna know who was his acting coach? In the comics Superman and Clark Kent are seen as two VERY different people, Superman a stalwart calculating god and Clark Kent the bumbling every man with a southern drawal. Did he take night classes, did he learn from the JSA, can he recite Shakespeare, where'd he learn his chops?
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

" Leaked " information regarding the movie.
  • There will be two villains, Lex Luthor and Metallo
  • After Metropolis’ destruction in Man of Steel, Batman forms a coalition to stop Superman from wrecking another city
  • Aquaman is in it, but not called Aquaman. He’s there because the world engine in the ocean did something to the fish
  • Wonder Woman poses as a Wayne Enterprises investor to retrieve an item that belongs to her people. Just as a separate note, Batman-News.com is reporting that Gal Gadot has signed on to play the Amazon princess in three films.
  • Lex Luthor is in the shadows a lot, a manipulator. Not much face time with Superman.
  • Robin betrayed Batman at some point, leading to a falling out between them
  • The Batcave was super cool looking, and the mobile looked similar to [Tim] Burton’s
  • Lois is investigating Lex.
  • Metallo “kills” Clark
  • The Daily Planet is purchased by Lex Luthor for PR purposes
  • At the end Superman is living in exile (hmm, sounds like Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight), and the Justice League is an government approved superhero team.

Whole lot of meh, except for the Batcave reference.

As to Superman learning martial arts, I strongly doubt he would ever try to get any significant training. Instead of learning the techniques he would spend most of his effort concentrating on not revealing his powers to his trainers or accidentally killing them. He's spent his whole life not exposing his powers, which would lead you to believe he avoids situations where they would be easily noticed. But in the same vein it also brings to mind Yoshi's question, how does he ever convincingly act like Clark Kent? He spends his time avoiding people so as not to injure them accidentally, so how exactly does he ever develop people skills? By rights he should be more of a loner than Batman.
 
filmfanatic

filmfanatic

HCGLNS said:
" Leaked " information regarding the movie.
  • There will be two villains, Lex Luthor and Metallo
  • After Metropolis’ destruction in Man of Steel, Batman forms a coalition to stop Superman from wrecking another city
  • Aquaman is in it, but not called Aquaman. He’s there because the world engine in the ocean did something to the fish
  • Wonder Woman poses as a Wayne Enterprises investor to retrieve an item that belongs to her people. Just as a separate note, Batman-News.com is reporting that Gal Gadot has signed on to play the Amazon princess in three films.
  • Lex Luthor is in the shadows a lot, a manipulator. Not much face time with Superman.
  • Robin betrayed Batman at some point, leading to a falling out between them
  • The Batcave was super cool looking, and the mobile looked similar to [Tim] Burton’s
  • Lois is investigating Lex.
  • Metallo “kills” Clark
  • The Daily Planet is purchased by Lex Luthor for PR purposes
  • At the end Superman is living in exile (hmm, sounds like Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight), and the Justice League is an government approved superhero team.
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Wow.

That all just sounds really stupid and that they do have not clue of what they're doing while they try to play catch-up to Marvel.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

I didn't have much hope for the movie after my lessening enjoyment of Man of Steel the more I thought about it. If this is the direction we're expected to see for future DC superhero flicks, I can't say I'll be that excited.
 
Gryfter

Gryfter

HCGLNS said:
" Leaked " information regarding the movie.
  • There will be two villains, Lex Luthor and Metallo
  • After Metropolis’ destruction in Man of Steel, Batman forms a coalition to stop Superman from wrecking another city
  • Aquaman is in it, but not called Aquaman. He’s there because the world engine in the ocean did something to the fish
  • Wonder Woman poses as a Wayne Enterprises investor to retrieve an item that belongs to her people. Just as a separate note, Batman-News.com is reporting that Gal Gadot has signed on to play the Amazon princess in three films.
  • Lex Luthor is in the shadows a lot, a manipulator. Not much face time with Superman.
  • Robin betrayed Batman at some point, leading to a falling out between them
  • The Batcave was super cool looking, and the mobile looked similar to [Tim] Burton’s
  • Lois is investigating Lex.
  • Metallo “kills” Clark
  • The Daily Planet is purchased by Lex Luthor for PR purposes
  • At the end Superman is living in exile (hmm, sounds like Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight), and the Justice League is an government approved superhero team.

Whole lot of meh, except for the Batcave reference.

As to Superman learning martial arts, I strongly doubt he would ever try to get any significant training. Instead of learning the techniques he would spend most of his effort concentrating on not revealing his powers to his trainers or accidentally killing them. He's spent his whole life not exposing his powers, which would lead you to believe he avoids situations where they would be easily noticed. But in the same vein it also brings to mind Yoshi's question, how does he ever convincingly act like Clark Kent? He spends his time avoiding people so as not to injure them accidentally, so how exactly does he ever develop people skills? By rights he should be more of a loner than Batman.
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That's a whole lot of MEH.
 
Espy

Espy

Honestly the rumors for this movie seem to be flying so fast it's insane. Every day there seems to be a new batch, leaving me to think that 99% of them are total bullshit.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Espy said:
Honestly the rumors for this movie seem to be flying so fast it's insane. Every day there seems to be a new batch, leaving me to think that 99% of them are total bullshit.
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At any point now, I expect WB to just say, "FUCK IT!" and make it a superhero version of Brokeback Mountain.

Although technically, I suppose we already have that. Kind of. Sort of.

 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

When I first saw that picture of Bats and Bane (it was released as a promo pic before the movie came out), my immediate thought was that scene between Bruce and Selina in Batman Returns.

"You know, mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it."
"But a kiss can be deadlier..."
"Oh god...do we have to start fighting now?"
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Bowielee said:
That's actually one of my favorite scenes in ANY of the Batman movies.
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The older Bat-flicks are surprisingly quotable. I used to have two monologues nearly memorized: Penguin's speech to Max when he kidnaps him in Batman Returns and Two-Face's monologue at the start of Batman Forever.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

That scene could have been so cheesily terrible, but I think that Michelle Pfeiffer sold it as sincere and it worked really well.
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Speaking of Justice League stuff, anyone see that new direct-to-dvd animated movie Justice League: War?

Honestly, I liked it, but the Superman in it was the worst I have seen in any form by this point.

When they first meet, he toys with Batman/Green Lantern like they are children, all with this cocky smirk. While Green Lantern has a shield up to protect him and Batman a bit later in the scene, Superman smacks them around like a beach ball, destroying half the city. It was like Man of Steel only GL/Batman were not technically even fighting back. Worst yet, even after they started working together, he abandoned Batman and Green Lantern while they were all surrounded by Parademons.

Really, I think the biggest issue I had with him was the huge cocky attitude they gave him. It was like he knew he was hot shit and he didn't give a damn about anyone else because of it. Every word out of his mouth was either a snide challenge to attack him, talking down to others for being weaker, hitting on wonder woman because she is the only one that in strong enough to handle his super-dick (with the awesome pickup line of "your strong" followed by another cocky smirk), and recklessly not giving a crap about life (He chokes Batman pretty hard while questioning him, kills Parademons like it's going out of style, and later on chokes a guy to death, though to be fair he was going through his own Parademon transformation at the time.

The biggest redeeming factors that made me enjoy it was I liked how they presented wonder woman (well minus the superman love triangle that makes her look like a bitch) and flash, with both putting up a huge fight versus Darksied even without Superman around, and that they made it Cyborg's origin story, and I really like Cyborg.

Either way, as long as they don't make Superman like the one in this cartoon movie, I honestly think I will be good with it.
 
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Celt Z

Celt Z

Maybe it's just me being naive, but I really dislike this "grim and gritty" direction they keep taking Superman. I don't care how popular Nolan's flicks were, and I don't care that studios seem to think everything has to be "dark" in order to give a character depth. He's SUPERMAN. He's the ultimate boy scout. He's decked out in primary colors (or at least blue and red). He's supposed to have a moral code that we're supposed to look up to and strive for. I'm not saying he shouldn't ever question his ethics or struggle with his decisions, but he also shouldn't be judge, jury and executioner. I dislike how in order to make him relatable (I guess?), they're writing him with the worst of human traits, instead of him reflecting our best.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Celt Z said:
Maybe it's just me being naive, but I really dislike this "grim and gritty" direction they keep taking Superman. I don't care how popular Nolan's flicks were, and I don't care that studios seem to think everything has to be "dark" in order to give a character depth. He's SUPERMAN. He's the ultimate boy scout. He's decked out in primary colors (or at least blue and red). He's supposed to have a moral code that we're supposed to look up to and strive for. I'm not saying he shouldn't ever question his ethics or struggle with his decisions, but he also shouldn't be judge, jury and executioner. I dislike how in order to make him relatable (I guess?), they're writing him with the worst of human traits, instead of him reflecting our best.
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You and me, new girl? We're gonna get along JUST fine. :)
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

ScytheRexx said:
It's not bad as a popcorn comic flick, but yes, it's not the best movie they have done. Superman was almost unforgivable.
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It's based off the New 52 origin comic for the Justice League. As usual, I hate pretty much everything about the rebooted universe. Green Lantern was the only thing I found tolerable. The fact that everyone wanted to bone Wonder Woman was a constant point of annoyance to me, and Billy Batson was a little punk.

Just. Awful.
 
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