[Movies] The DC Cinematic Universe - The David Zazlav Dumpster Fire.

Fun Size

Fun Size

Wait, maybe I don't know the Luther character like I thought: is Lex Luthor traditionally completely socially awkward? I know he's a genius, but I thought he was also a business man with a certain amount of savvy. The thing about the Zuckerberg role was that he was awkward as Hell.
 
Espy

Espy

I think people that are expecting him to be Mark Zuckerburg are going to be surprised at Eisenburgs range as an actor. I would expect way more from him. If I'm wrong then I'll be very disappointed because he's a great actor.
 
Frank

Frank

Fun Size said:
Wait, maybe I don't know the Luther character like I thought: is Lex Luthor traditionally completely socially awkward? I know he's a genius, but I thought he was also a business man with a certain amount of savvy. The thing about the Zuckerberg role was that he was awkward as Hell.
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I'll be honest, Luthor to me is Clancy Brown's Animated Luthor, so, I don't give a shit about the other versions of him. I want smooth as fuck, business man, genius and also obsessed Luthor.
 
Frank

Frank

Espy said:
I think people that are expecting him to be Mark Zuckerburg are going to be surprised at Eisenburgs range as an actor. I would expect way more from him. If I'm wrong then I'll be very disappointed because he's a great actor.
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Hey, maybe he will surprise. Reading Snyder talk about him and having seen Snyder's previous work leads me to doubt.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Snyder's involvement in the first place bothers me more than Affleck or Eisenberg, and that part isn't changing.

I'm just going to be pre-convinced the movie is going to be a crock of shit, and then be pleasantly, enthusiastically surprised if it isn't. That way, I can't lose.
 
Celt Z

Celt Z

I honestly don't know what to think about that casting choice because I feel like there's never been a consistent version of Lex Luthor. Aside from the money and the baldness, it seems like everyone interprets him differently. Spacey was nothing like Hackman, Rosenbaum was nothing like Shea, and even animated, Brown's Luthor was smooth while Jones' was bombastic and ham-fisted (okay, everything was on that last show). Even in the comics he's all over the place, and sometimes has hair! I never understood why Luthor became Superman's most well-known adversary, since he usually feels more like a plot-device than a consistant villain.
 
Tress

Tress

Now You See Me was not really a good movie. But! Eisenberg demonstrated he could play a character brimming with confidence, and without social awkwardness. So I think he has more range than just being "that Facebook movie guy".
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Admittedly, if I were to cast Jesse Eisenberg in a DC movie based on his past experiences playing nervous, frenetic, mildly-unbalanced guy of various degrees of intelligence, I would have cast him as Toyman before Luthor. But w/e, let's see how he does.
 
Celt Z

Celt Z

stienman said:
Everyone that touches one of these iconic roles seeks to "make it their own" and put a spin on it so it isn't just a shallow homage to any of the previous people who took a shot at it.

I like both Nicholson's and Ledger's Joker. They were both different in many ways, and even the similar things were performed in ways that are distinct.

The director, therefore, has a vision of what he wants the role to be. The writers, too, have their fingers in the pot. The actor did an audition, and the director, and probably writers and producers, had some input as to whether the actor did a good job of conveying their vision - meanwhile the actor him or herself will be adding their take on it.

"I know there's chocolate in this box, but when I eat one I'm going to be surprised, and hopefully pleased, by the other flavors, textures, and so forth that were created by the chocolatier."

Don't worry about casting choices. Once the salt, caramel, and peppers are added, you might like it, you might not, but you can't possibly know what it's going to be like until you actually eat it.
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I get what you're saying about interpretation, but it's usually interpretation within boundaries: Spider-Man is quippy, Batman is brooding/tactical, The Joker is erratic, until recently Superman was a boy scout, etc. Luthor tends be be all over the place, and sometimes not a villain at all. I'm just saying that I'm not up-in-arms about the casting choice because no one can seem to make up their mind about Lex is supposed to be, so there can't really be a right/wrong choice.

Spacey was exactly like Hackman. Of course I'm pretty sure his direction from Singer was "Be more like Gene Hackman was!"
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I always felt Spacey's Luthor was much darker than Hackman's. Hakcman's seemed more comedic to me at times; still a bad guy, but less dire.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Celt Z said:
I get what you're saying about interpretation, but it's usually interpretation within boundaries: Spider-Man is quippy, Batman is brooding/tactical, The Joker is erratic, until recently Superman was a boy scout, etc.
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That's a good point. It would really suck if they made a Spider-Man movie with a whiney douchey Peter Parker.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

sixpackshaker said:
Amazing Spiderman?
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I thought Andrew Garfield did pretty decently as a era-updated version of the character. He may not have been everyone's cup of tea, and he was definitely a little emo compared to the first two movies, but that was okay - Parker definitely got a little emo. Key word being "little".

My issues with Amazing had more to do with its slightly off-kilter pace and the fact that no one really cares about the Lizard.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

The internet when an actor is cast in role wildly different from what they are used to:
"WHAT?! OMG HE/SHE CAN'T PLAY THAT PART! ALL THEY EVER PLAY IS THIS SAME ROLE OVER AND OVER AGAIN! HOW CAN THEY THINK AN ACTOR CAN PLAY MORE THAN ONE ROLE?!"

The internet when an actor is cast in a similar role to what they are used to:
"ARGH, I HATE SO AND SO. ALL THEY EVER PLAY IS THE SAME ROLE. THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT."

Jesse Eisenberg will probably be just fine in the role. The movie will probably still suck, because Zack Snyder is in charge of it, but I just don't see the point in judging an actor's portrayal before we've seen even one tiny clip of it.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

I can't wait to hear how "Superman" kills the movie's villain this time

I'm betting on him frying them with heat vision this time.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Maybe he lights Luthor's hair on fire, which causes his baldness, and drives him completely insane at the ah, injustice of it all.

And then the sequel takes a severe left turn as Jesse Eisenberg portrays a Luthor that is half classic Lex and half Spider Jerusalem from Transmet.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

SpecialKO said:
I thought Andrew Garfield did pretty decently as a era-updated version of the character. He may not have been everyone's cup of tea, and he was definitely a little emo compared to the first two movies, but that was okay - Parker definitely got a little emo. Key word being "little".

My issues with Amazing had more to do with its slightly off-kilter pace and the fact that no one really cares about the Lizard.
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My biggest issue with his portrayal of Spider-man is that he didn't come off as light heartedly quipping, but more being a mean spirited douche.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Now, this is interesting news. It's not directly about Superman/Batman, but it does affect it (Affleckt it?):

Captain America 3, part of Marvel's Avengers Phase 3, will open May 6, 2016. That's the same day as Superman/Batman. There's some talk that S/B will be moved to the first weekend of April, but I think that might just be worse for them. It means they'll have a good opening weekend and then get trounced by Cap.

But just imagine the headlines: Captain American beats both Superman and Batman!

To be perfectly honest? At this point, I don't think I'll even bother with Superman/Batman. Cap 3 definitely has my money opening weekend, but I don't think I want to give WB any more of my money.
 
Frank

Frank

That's the world we live in. Where a Batman movie is afraid of Captain America.

Can you imagine that 25 years ago?

vs
 
Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

Frank said:
That's the world we live in. Where a Batman movie is afraid of Captain America.

Can you imagine that 25 years ago?

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Personally I like Captain more, and that's cause I'm a DC guy.... I just really don't like Batman. I find almost all his villains and sidekicks far more interesting.
 
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