[Movies] The DC Cinematic Universe - The David Zazlav Dumpster Fire.

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

figmentPez said:
But were they asking "Why would you want a Superman movie?" I know they were right about what was going to happen, but did they question why people would even want any Superman movie made at all?
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Maybe I should be more clear and say "Why would you want a Wonder Woman movie when it's likely going to be made by same tards that did Man of Steel, and likely directed by the guy that feels girls getting raped is empowering as long as they daydream about ninjas." Is that better?

I would love a Wonder Woman movie. I don't want a Nolan/Snyder Wonder Woman movie, which is likely what it will be since they seem to own the whole thing by this point.
 
Krisken

Krisken

ScytheRexx said:
Maybe I should be more clear and say "Why would you want a Wonder Woman movie when it's likely going to be made by same tards that did Man of Steel, and likely directed by the guy that feels girls getting raped is empowering as long as they daydream about ninjas." Is that better?

I would love a Wonder Woman movie. I don't want a Nolan/Snyder Wonder Woman movie, which is likely what it will be since they seem to own the whole thing by this point.
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Now that's a fair point. We can still hope though :)
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

figmentPez said:
But were they asking "Why would you want a Superman movie?" I know they were right about what was going to happen, but did they question why people would even want any Superman movie made at all?
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No, I suppose not. It was more like "Why would you wan a Superman movie like this?"[DOUBLEPOST=1398709871,1398709828][/DOUBLEPOST]
ScytheRexx said:
Maybe I should be more clear and say "Why would you want a Wonder Woman movie when it's likely going to be made by same tards that did Man of Steel, and likely directed by the guy that feels girls getting raped is empowering as long as they daydream about ninjas." Is that better?

I would love a Wonder Woman movie. I don't want a Nolan/Snyder Wonder Woman movie, which is likely what it will be since they seem to own the whole thing by this point.
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I'm amused that they turned down Joss Whedon's Wonder Woman movie, only for him to go and direct the thing they're trying so hard to capitalize on.
 
Celt Z

Celt Z

ScytheRexx said:
Not sure why everyone wants a Wonder Woman movie.
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Krisken said:
Because WE ALL deserve to have a woman hero to look up to
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FTFY ;)

While I understand what your saying, Scythe, that with DC's current trajectory, the odds that they will Nolan/Snyder-ize Wonder Woman are high and depressing, but it doesn't mean we stop demanding. No one ever got anywhere in history by saying, "things probably won't turn out the way we wanted, so we shouldn't even try". People site "Supergirl" as "well, we tried, but you can't make a female super hero movie", ignoring all the problems that went into making that movie in the first place. By that logic, we should never have been able to make the Marvel blockbusters of the last 14 years because of the shitty job they did with the original Captain America/ Fantastic Four/Incredible Hulk/Generation X movies they made in the 80's and 90's. But if there's anything that the last decade proved, it CAN be done and it CAN be done right. People need to keep the pressure on DC to step up their game, to stop thinking it's okay to treat their female characters so poorly on screen or in comics or in animation and stop thinking their audience isn't only adult men. Wonder Woman isn't just important for girls; little boys need positive female role models, too.

So they try to make Wonder Woman, and let's say they screw it up with the usual bullshit (i.e. "rape is character development!"). Do we throw up our hands and say, "Welp, they tried"? No. You demand they try it again. And try until they get it right. Look how many times Superman and Batman have gotten movies, even when some of the efforts were terrible. We need Wonder Woman. We need to keep her in her rightful place among the Big 3, even if it takes more than one try.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

The awful thing is, WB makes these shitty movies and people flock to them. They just want to see things go boom. So long as that's the demand, WB will supply it. They may even see grit and fire superhero movies as their side of the superhero movie thing.
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Celt Z said:
So they try to make Wonder Woman, and let's say they screw it up with the usual bullshit (i.e. "rape is character development!"). Do we throw up our hands and say, "Welp, they tried"? No. You demand they try it again. And try until they get it right. Look how many times Superman and Batman have gotten movies, even when some of the efforts were terrible. We need Wonder Woman. We need to keep her in her rightful place among the Big 3, even if it takes more than one try.
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Hey keep up the good fight, but I am rather cynical about it right now as you can obviously see.

I think my brain is just still stinging from the fact they gave Zack Snyder the JUSTICE LEAGUE. It makes me want to cry.
 
Espy

Espy

Well, that seems wise, the super hero boom won't last forever.

UNLESS ZACH SNYDER MAKES ALL TIME GO IN SLO-MO FOREVER.
 
Espy

Espy

But really, I believe marvel has a 14 year plan for movies so DC announcing something like this isn't weird.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Espy said:
But really, I believe marvel has a 14 year plan for movies so DC announcing something like this isn't weird.
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This. If Avengers 2 makes money, then we have a good long while before these movies go away. Hell, it's almost been 5 years since Ironman started all of this off... we've got AT LEAST another 5.
 
Covar

Covar

I'm not so sure about Fables. That was my original thought, but hearing about all the trouble Once Upon A Time has had with keeping minor characters I think something with a larger cast is probably best done at once, unless you're going to have a producer who's really good with managing talent and filming schedules.
 
Espy

Espy

Eh, I think both could and will work great as movies. If done well, and I mean, REALLY well they could be amazing movies.
 
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fade

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AshburnerX said:
This. If Avengers 2 makes money, then we have a good long while before these movies go away. Hell, it's almost been 5 years since Ironman started all of this off... we've got AT LEAST another 5.
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Really it was the Sam Raimi Spider-Man that started it off 13 years ago.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

AshburnerX said:
This. If Avengers 2 makes money, then we have a good long while before these movies go away. Hell, it's almost been 5 years since Ironman started all of this off... we've got AT LEAST another 5.
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Six years ago. 2008. And Iron Man wasn't alone--he had the movie everyone forgets about.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Celt Z said:
I thought X-Men in 2000 was the blockbuster that got everything rolling? Spider-Man followed up in 2002.
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It was kind of a one-two-three punch of Blade (which re-opened the doors for superheroes), X-Men (which showed they could be done well, again), and Spider-Man (which showed you could make STUPID amounts of money).
 
Espy

Espy

Man, the first two Blade films were (in my memory) really awesome. Then in the third one Blade went to prison for not paying taxes right? #THANKSOBAMA
 
Celt Z

Celt Z

ThatNickGuy said:
It was kind of a one-two-three punch of Blade (which re-opened the doors for superheroes), X-Men (which showed they could be done well, again), and Spider-Man (which showed you could make STUPID amounts of money).
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I wouldn't say Blade re-opened the door since there were successful superhero movies throughout in the 90's (mostly Batman, but there was still the TMNT franchise, The Crow, The Mask, etc.), but it was the first modest success Marvel had on the big screen. I think it was Marvel's way of dipping their toe in the waters that had been dominated by DC and independent comic adaptations for the prior 20 years and seeing if they could have some success with a smaller, more budget-friendly title than their previous big-name flops.
 
bhamv3

bhamv3

Back when Blade came out, I actually had no idea it was based on a comic. I doubt I'm alone in not having known this. To me, Blade succeeded not because it was a good comic book movie, but because it was a pretty solid vampire action flick.
 
Covar

Covar

bhamv3 said:
Back when Blade came out, I actually had no idea it was based on a comic. I doubt I'm alone in not having known this. To me, Blade succeeded not because it was a good comic book movie, but because it was a pretty solid vampire action flick.
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With sunscreen. Easily the worst part in the entire movie.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Celt Z said:
I wouldn't say Blade re-opened the door since there were successful superhero movies throughout in the 90's (mostly Batman, but there was still the TMNT franchise, The Crow, The Mask, etc.), but it was the first modest success Marvel had on the big screen. I think it was Marvel's way of dipping their toe in the waters that had been dominated by DC and independent comic adaptations for the prior 20 years and seeing if they could have some success with a smaller, more budget-friendly title than their previous big-name flops.
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There was something a lull in superhero movies after that period, though. The Mask and The Crow were both in '94. Batman & Robin came out in '97, which made many people - most especially movie studios - hesitant to try superhero movies again. Then Marvel started putting out their movies. Blade got the ball rolling, then X-Men kicked down the door, with Spidey close behind holding big bags of money.
 
Celt Z

Celt Z

ThatNickGuy said:
There was something a lull in superhero movies after that period, though. The Mask and The Crow were both in '94. Batman & Robin came out in '97, which made many people - most especially movie studios - hesitant to try superhero movies again. Then Marvel started putting out their movies. Blade got the ball rolling, then X-Men kicked down the door, with Spidey close behind holding big bags of money.
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Actually, according to this, there were multiple superhero movies released every year of the 90's. except for 1992, 1998 (Blade year!) and 1999, when there was only one each. On the other hand, unless they had the word "Batman", "Ninja Turtle" or "Mask" in the title, they were low-performing and forgettable, so you're not really far-off in your assessment. But I would also agree that Blade's surprise performance probably bolstered Marvel's hopes to get back into the movie game.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Celt Z said:
Actually, according to this, there were multiple superhero movies released every year of the 90's. except for 1992, 1998 (Blade year!) and 1999, when there was only one each. On the other hand, unless they had the word "Batman", "Ninja Turtle" or "Mask" in the title, they were low-performing and forgettable, so you're not really far-off in your assessment. But I would also agree that Blade's surprise performance probably bolstered Marvel's hopes to get back into the movie game.
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I think part of the reason why people don't think of a lot of those movies is because they don't really fit the "idea" of a modern super hero.

The Shadow and the Phantom are from an entire other age, form when superheros were on radio and in the newspaper. The Rocketeer had that same kind of feel to it as well.
Darkman and the Crow were very much 90's anti-heroes.
Barbwire and Tank Girl were kind of endemic of everything wrong with women in 90's comics... also, they didn't do much of anything "super". Having a tank is not a super power.
The Meteor Man and Blankman were basically parodies of superhero movies. The Mask is basically only a step above these and he wasn't even a hero in the comics.
 
Celt Z

Celt Z

I had actually typed-in "comic book movies" and found this list, so I think we're over-lapping superhero/comic books in this case. You could also say Blade and Spawn were"anti-heroes" as well. The point still stands that in the 90's, they were throwing ANYTHING comic book/superhero related at the wall and trying to see what would stick. Looking back at that list, they seemed much more willing to take a chance on some wild ideas, far more so than the standard fare of the past 14 years. Too bad most of it was terrible.

(Confession: I liked Tank Girl, both the movie and the comic. I wouldn't say it a good movie, but it had moments I really enjoyed. It was very 90's, and I kinda liked that it bucked the system on what a female hero was. Also, it was the precursor to the Gorillaz. But those kangaroo people? No.)
 
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