[Movies] The DC Cinematic Universe - The David Zazlav Dumpster Fire.
"And Lo, did the Lord smite the guilty
And the innocent, with his Laser Eyes.
The Lord did look upon his works,
And probably didn't care as much as He should have."
-Snyder 20;13
Hey. Hey guys. Remember when Jesus snapped Pontius Pilot's neck?
Good times.
Good times.
Well, Judas hung himself, so you could say that God snapped his neck.
Because of the holy trinity, God is Jesus, so therefor Jesus did snap his neck.
That's science, that is.
Damn. I just got religioned by the heathen.
(Which I mean in total jest, of course.
)For the record, I was president of my church's youth group, youth delegate to the Northern Great Lakes Synod of the ELCA, served on my church board for 2 years and represented the midwest in ELCA conferences of multiple types. My original plan after graduating high school was to go into the seminary.
Then I became an empiricist.
Then I became an empiricist.
figmentPez
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I agree with this, but I'll also add that the problem is that a story set-up that forces Superman to kill is bad choice for a Superman movie. It's been done okay in the comics, because they can deal with the ongoing repercussions to his character. A movie that starts with his origin story cannot set up his character enough, and certainly cannot follow through. My problem isn't that Superman killed (because I can cite in the comics Superman killing), but that the story set up Superman to have no choice, and that's not an iconic Superman story. If the writers thought they were making Superman interesting by putting him up against a power that would nearly overwhelm him, to the point where he doesn't even think about lives being lost around him, then they don't understand who Superman is, and why he is such an interesting character.
If only we could get a Superman movie that shows that Clark's real struggle is not "can he win?" but "can he live up to his potential?" If a human firefighter runs into a burning building to rescue a child, and makes it out alive, he's pushed the limits of his potential, risked his own life for another. Superman rescuing the same child hasn't done nearly as much, and Clark knows that. Therein lies the most interesting part of Superman, to me. Clark knows he has god-like potential, but still thinks of himself as human, on some level. He also knows that if he wants to be a hero, that what he must do with his powers is orders of magnitude greater than what someone without powers must do. Clark has to figure out, not only the good that he can do which will push his limits and truly make him give of himself for the sake of others, but how to do that without becoming a petty dictator, or otherwise cause harm.
Man of Steel was just a movie about a titan fighting other titans. What a Superman movie should be, in my opinion, is a story of a titan trying to prove himself to be as worthy of the title "hero" as any mortal.
I totally understand that. I was raised pretty effin' catholic and was actually planning on joining the priesthood at one point.
point of order: the drone scene is after a significant implied off screen time jump, it's not like, the next morning.
And that's really it. If it had been done well, I wouldn't have minded him killing Zod as much. If he'd spent the whole movie trying everything in his power to save lives (instead of, say, flying through and blowing up a gas station), then maybe - MAYBE - it would've been more acceptable. I don't like the idea of Superman killing, but when he did in the comics, it drove him insane to the point that he left Earth because he felt his mental health would endanger the planet. There were YEARS of ramifications and something he constantly felt guilty about (almost on par with the number of times Gwen's death was mentioned in Spider-Man).
If they had spent the entire fight where Zod is trying to kill people and Superman is doing whatever he can to save them? To the point that he's finally in a position where he can't do anything but kill Zod (even showing him trying to fly away with him), then maybe it would've been acceptable. But it wasn't. Because this "Superman" didn't show he cared much about the lives around him until that very moment.
You know what argument I hate more than any other? That he needed to kill in order to instill the idea that killing is bad. Because naturally, you can't have that idea without killing, first. Fortunately, I don't believe anyone on here has used that argument. I'm just tired of seeing it elsewhere.[DOUBLEPOST=1425821093,1425820968][/DOUBLEPOST]
That's not really the point. The point is that the scene still took place immediately after killing Zod. It - along with the cutsey "look, we finally brought in Mild Mannered Reporter Clark Kent!" scene that ended the film - immediately followed an emotionally wrecking scene. They're both cute, funny scenes to lighten the mood again. Which doesn't work because the majority of the movie was dour. It's like they finally said, "Okay guys, NOW let's make it a fun Superman movie."
It's basically the same idea:
- Child of greater species is forced to leave home
- Taken in by two kind, loving people
- starts manifesting his powers
- decides to use them to help the world
The stories go separate ways in a couple of directions but it's no surprise that's similar. Hell, Shazam specifically has the strength of Hercules and he was heavily inspired by Superman.
You know, while the last musical attempt of Superman was terrible, you know that Lex Luthor would get a badass villain song.
Fun fact: there were actually plans to make a Batman stage musical back in the early 2000s, with lyrics by Jim Steinman. Though the show was ultimately cancelled, one of the songs was reused in the third Bat Out of Hell album. Namely, a song called "In the Land of Pigs, The Butcher is King". In the musical, it would have been sung of the corrupt elite of Gotham City.
Hercules the Legendary Journeys actually makes me sad that we got Sam Rami Spider-man movies instead of Superman. Kevin Sorbo was basically playing Superman in ancient Greece.
I actually managed to stumble across the lyrics to the rest of the songs from this cancelled musical. Honestly, it could have been an alright show.
Except that the Joker's song was terrible. It was a musical and pop culture-referencing number called 'Where Does He Get Those Wonderful Toys?". It was so bland and unfunny, and if any villain should have a great musical number, it should be the Joker.
Shhh, shhh.... don't ruin this for me. The musical in my head is wonderful. I'm still trying to decide who Meatloaf could play...
Maybe Harvey Bullock?
Man, that reminds me of one of the few moments from Hercules that stuck with me. Herc's just helped capture a fugitive, but he's concerned that the guy won't get a fair trial. And the magistrate or something he's talking to says to Hercules, "He was tried in absentia and found guilty. That is the law. You do believe in the law, don't you?"
And Herc replies, "I believe in justice." And then he breaks the fugitive out.
JOXER THE MIGHTY
ROAMS THROUGH THE COUNTRYSIDE
HE NEVER NEEDS A PLACE TO HIDE
WITH GABBY AS HIS SIDEKICK
FIGHTING WITH HER LITTLE STICK
RIGHTING WRONGS AND SINGING SONGS
AND BEING MIGHTY ALL DAY LONG
HE'S JOOOOOOOXER
JOXER THE MIGHTY
ROAMS THROUGH THE COUNTRYSIDE
HE NEVER NEEDS A PLACE TO HIDE
WITH GABBY AS HIS SIDEKICK
FIGHTING WITH HER LITTLE STICK
RIGHTING WRONGS AND SINGING SONGS
AND BEING MIGHTY ALL DAY LONG
HE'S JOOOOOOOXER
JOXER THE MIGHTY
Now see, at least here, the symbol could actually stand for hope.
What? No theme song?Now see, at least here, the symbol could actually stand for hope.
I think I posted this in my sleep
I don't know about you, but never realized that killing was wrong until I killed that family in upsta....
I've said too much.
Not my jurisdiction.
...Shego? That you?
Jesse Eisenberg as Luthor revealed, and it's about as intimidating as you'd expect a bald Jesse Eisenberg to be. I hope he can act better than he can scowl.