a Trump vs Clinton United States Presidential Election in 2016

Who do you vote into the office of USA President?


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Newt Gingrich claiming that someone else is only interested in sex is just as head explodingly mind blowing in the wrong way as Rudy Juiliani forgetting about 9/11. This fucking guy left his wife while she was dying of cancer for a younger woman and then that woman for a younger woman while trying to impeach Bill Clinton over his infidelity.

The best comment I read elsewhere said this about the video:

So interesting how Trump and other Republicans have turned Megyn "Santa Claus is white and Jesus is too" Kelly into a sympathetic figure this year.
 
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Newt Gingrich claiming that someone else is only interested in sex is just as head explodingly mind blowing in the wrong way as Rudy Juiliani forgetting about 9/11.

The best comment I read elsewhere said this about the video:

So interesting how Trump and other Republicans have turned Megyn "Santa Claus is white and Jesus is too" Kelly into a sympathetic figure this year.
I only watched snippets because I can only experience so much Gingrich before I break my stupid threshold (and we're past midnight, so a new day has begun!) but ... Fox News is not fair and balanced, they can say it as much as they like and that doesn't make it true. However if Fox News is looking at the situation and seeing states slide to the left that typically don't, that doesn't mean they spontaneously have a liberal bias.
 
You're saying, she was asking for it?
She doesn't deserve it for being a woman, or even anything she said that night. She deserves it for using her position of power and influence to deliberately stoke the flames that are now actually burning her.

I mean, let me rephrase. No one on earth "deserves" rape threats or violent threats against their family. Saying that was wrong. But I just don't have any fucks to give about her plight
 
This campaign season has really made me re-evaluate my opinion of Megyn Kelly. She's had to put up with a lot of heinous shit from Republican candidates, pundits, and even her coworkers, and she's shown great aplomb and professionalism while not taking their shit. I may disagree with a lot of the stories she presents, and she's said a lot of outrageous things that I find abhorrent, but she's definitely no decorative bimbo, which is more or less what I used to think of her. I was wrong.
 
Governor Weld (Libertarian VP nominee) issues a statement exhorting voters to not vote for Trump.

https://www.johnsonweld.com/statement_by_gov_bill_weld_regarding_the_final_weeks_election

“A President of the United States operates every day under a great deal of pressure — from all sides, and in furtherance of many different agendas. With that pressure comes constant criticism.

“After careful observation and reflection, I have come to believe that Donald Trump, if elected President of the United States, would not be able to stand up to this pressure and this criticism without becoming unhinged and unable to perform competently the duties of his office.

“Mr. Trump has some charisma and panache, and intellectual quickness. These qualities can be entertaining. Yet more than charisma, more even than intellectual ability, is required of a serious candidate for this country’s highest office. A serious candidate for the Presidency of the United States must be stable, and Donald Trump is not stable.

“Throughout this campaign, Mr. Trump has demonstrated an inability to handle criticism or blame well. His first instinct is to lash out at others. When challenged, he often responds as a child might. He makes a sour face, he calls people by insulting names, he waves his arms, he impatiently interrupts. Most families would not allow their children to remain at the dinner table if they behaved as Mr. Trump does. He has not exhibited the self-control, the discipline, or the emotional depth necessary to function credibly as a President of the United States.

“From the beginning of his campaign, Mr. Trump has conjured up enemies. First it was eleven million criminals in our midst, all bent on obtaining the benefits of citizenship, at our expense. Over time, the enemies became any trading partner of the United States. He says they are nothing but foreigners seeking to threaten our livelihoods. Now we have reached the point where his idea of America’s enemies includes almost anyone who talks or looks different from him. The goal of the Trump campaign, from the outset, has been to stir up envy, resentment, and group hatred.

“This is the worst of American politics. I fear for our cohesion as a nation, and for our place in the world, if this man who is unwilling to say he will abide by the result of our national election becomes our President.

“This great nation has weathered policy differences throughout our history, and we will do so again. Not in my lifetime, though, has there been a candidate for President who actually makes me fear for the ultimate well-being of the country, a candidate who might in fact put at risk the solid foundation of America that allows us to endure even ill-advised policies and the normal ebb and flow of politics.

“In the final days of this very close race, every citizen must be aware of the power and responsibility of each individual vote. This is not the time to cast a jocular or feel-good vote for a man whom you may have briefly found entertaining. Donald Trump should not, cannot, and must not be elected President of the United States.”
 
Well, the only Trump I want is Ivanka.
You sound just like her dad.


I get the feeling that Bill Weld took the campaign a lot more seriously than Gary Johnson did. He's made more statements of importance and he seemed a lot more prepared when asked questions. There were a couple times he looked embarrassed to have to cover for Gary.
 
You want Clintons? Cause that's how you get Clintons.
You've been at sea a long time, and there's only pilot bread left. There's snout beetles in all of it...So you make a bit of a sport out of it, and race them around the table. On which one do you place your bets, the big one or the small one?


The small one. Always choose the lesser of two weevils. :rimshot:
 
Gary Johnson is kind of a clown, how is Weld his VP? I don't agree with much of his politics but he seems like a better choice to put forward than Johnson.
 
So, Trump accused Hillary of bribing the FBI to drop the investigation against her, like he did with Pam Bondi and Greg Abbott regarding Trump University.

"One of the closest people to Hillary Clinton, with longstanding ties to her and husband -- the closest person, I can tell you that … gave more than $675,000 to the campaign of the wife of a top FBI official who oversaw the investigation into Mrs. Clinton's illegal email server," Trump said at the Sanford rally. "In other words, the man who was in charge of the investigation of Hillary Clinton accepted essentially from Hillary Clinton $675,000 that went to his wife." - Trump, at a speech, October 25, 2016.

There are a number of problems with this charge, but the main one is that the timeline doesn't add up.

In 2015, Dr. Jill McCabe, a pediatrician, was recruited to run for one of the 40 seatsin the Virginia's Republican-controlled Senate by Democratic Gov. Terry McAuliffe, who co-chaired Bill Clinton's 1996 re-election campaign and chaired Hillary Clinton's unsuccessful 2008 run for president.
According to the Wall Street Journal, which broke the story, McAuliffe and other Virginia Democrats met with McCabe and her husband, Andrew, on March 7, 2015, to urge her to run as part of an effort to take back the Senate.
At the time, Andrew McCabe was assistant director of the FBI's field office in Washington and had focused much of his career on terrorism.
The FBI released a statement that Andrew McCabe "consulted with top FBI headquarters and field office ethics officers for guidance, including briefings on the Hatch Act, to prevent against any actual or potential conflict-of-interest, in the event she decided to go forward."
Based on that advice, the FBI said, when Dr. McCabe chose to run, Andrew "McCabe and FBI lawyers implemented a system of recusal from all FBI investigative matters involving Virginia politics, a process followed for the remainder of her campaign. During the campaign, he played no role, attended no events, and did not participate in fundraising or support of any kind."
News that Clinton was using a private email account in violation of federal record-keeping requirements, broke March 2, 2015.
McCabe announced her candidacy 10 days later on March 12, 2015.
That July, the FBI was called in to begin a criminal investigation into the use of Clinton's private server at her home in New York. And that same month, Andrew McCabe was promoted to associate deputy director, the third in command at the FBI. He moved to FBI headquarters in September.
Not surprisingly, both McAuliffe, through his political action committee, and the state Democratic Party, donated to Dr. McCabe's campaign.
On Oct. 1, 27 and 29, McAuliffe's PAC, Common Good VA, gave Dr. McCabe's campaign a total of $450,000. (An additional $17,500 had been given earlier). The Democratic Party of Virginia spent $207,788 on Sept. 30 and Oct. 22 for mailings on her behalf. That would amount to 40 percent of the $1.7 million spent by the campaign.
Two other Democrats running for Senate seats, Jeremy Pike and Dan Gecker, got larger amounts from McAuliffe's PAC.
In November, Dr. McCabe lost her race to incumbent Republican Dick Black.
On Feb. 1, 2016, three months after his wife's defeat, Andrew McCabe became the FBI's deputy director.
In a statement to the Wall Street Journal, the FBI said it was the first time McCabe had any oversight role over the Clinton case.
"Months after the completion of (his wife's) campaign, then-Associate Deputy Director McCabe was promoted to Deputy, where, in that position, he assumed for the first time, an oversight role in the investigation into Secretary Clinton’s emails," according to the FBI statement.

So, the investigation was already 6 months old when McCabe got involved, and at no point is Hillary or her campaign involved in McCabe's campaign.

I mean, what's the idea, that Hillary told a friend to donate to another candidate on the off chance that her husband would be promoted to oversee a case that hadn't even begun what the candidate began her run?

More than that, while McCabe had some oversight on the case, it was Director Comey who made the decision not to prosecute.

So, to sum up, Hillary's campaign wasn't directly involved (and there's no indication it was indirectly involved, either), and the FBI husband of the candidate that did receive money from a PAC run by a friend of Clinton's didn't make the decision to not prosecute.
 

GasBandit

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Since Texas is in play as a swing state this election, I'm actually cackling with glee that my vote as a libertarian will actually conceivably hurt a major party candidate!
 
Since Texas is in play as a swing state this election, I'm actually cackling with glee that my vote as a libertarian will actually conceivably hurt a major party candidate!
I'm not sure if he's running, but if you help vote out Ted Cruz, you will be Americas greatest hero.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
I'm not sure if he's running, but if you help vote out Ted Cruz, you will be Americas greatest hero.
No senator is up for re-election this year, but I will be voting for Clark Patterson for my Representative. I'll basically be pushing the "libertarian" button they give you at the top and then hitting "done."
 
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