figmentPez
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figmentPez
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figmentPez
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So, how long before "Office of the Former President" changes name to "Office of the President in Exile"?
The Anti-President at Mar-A-Lago...
figmentPez
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"No other attorneys have announced they are working on Trump's impeachment defense."
It's pretty clear that no lawyer who is qualified to work this trial wants to follow Trump's insanity this far. I'm sure they'll be able to find someone unqualified, but maybe Trump will just represent himself!
Watch Trumpkins spin this to "Trump got rid of the lawyers because they're part of the deep state conspiracy" or "They were scared off by liberal threats. See how dangerous the enemy we're fighting is?"
figmentPez
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If Democrats and other rational people treat this as a chance to present evidence to the public, maybe? Trump supporters may never change their minds, but they are a minority. If leaders can show enough evidence to the public that terrible things went on, then maybe there will continue to be more people showing up to vote out Republicans.
In two years' time? I doubt it.
That's what the attorneys were going to argue. The orange stain insisted they cry "fraud!" and "stolen!" instead. So they quit.
He doesn’t even need to mount a defense though. Republicans have already decided that it doesn’t matter how guilty he is, they won’t vote to convict.
My ideal situation is he goes on to defend himself, Republicans see him ramble incoherently, and finally realize "Holy shit, he really IS a complete idiot. We need to convict him."
That won't happen, of course. If they're still supporting him now, after everything, nothing will change that.
He's been rambling incoherently for the last four years.
Bingo. Once they realized he took over a huge chunk of their voter base, even those that secretly hate him, feel they need to stay on his side. I mean look what is happening to Liz Cheney. You go against the party you become a pariah, even when you a key leader.
I wouldn't put it past some of them to think this is actually the more moral option, not because they agree with Trump or think he should continue leading the party, but because they believe should they get primaried from an impeachment vote, they would be replaced with another MTG.
Much like Trump himself, I cannot wait until I never have to hear about this woman again.
Especially considering the FBI was never fans of Trump to begin with.
holy crap, you can practically hear the hamster wheel grind to a halt
No matter what, Republicans are going to have to put their name on something this time, after evidence is presented to the public. They know the base will always vote for them as long at they hold the Trumpist narrative, but they still don't want to lose any independent voters that might swing towards them, which is why they rarely bring any bills up for a vote, because a Republican voting "No" on things like stimulus checks and such is worst optics compared to the majority leader just never bringing the bill to the floor and letting it die in administrative oblivion.
When it comes to this trial, the majority of American's want some sort of justice to be delivered. Once all the evidence is brought forward and now gets to swirl around in the public, depending on how damning it really is, will mean Republicans are going to have to choose either to lurch harder into the base, or lose a lot of middle road voters. It seems assured that they will likely go with the former, as it's the safer option, but either way having to do a vote at all is going to hurt them somewhere.
Our job is just to make sure no one forgets it in 2 years.
When it comes to this trial, the majority of American's want some sort of justice to be delivered. Once all the evidence is brought forward and now gets to swirl around in the public, depending on how damning it really is, will mean Republicans are going to have to choose either to lurch harder into the base, or lose a lot of middle road voters. It seems assured that they will likely go with the former, as it's the safer option, but either way having to do a vote at all is going to hurt them somewhere.
Our job is just to make sure no one forgets it in 2 years.
And now Graham threatens to turn to focus to Kamala Harris because she... supported efforts to get protesters bail after being arrested? And somehow that’s just as bad, if not worse?
I mean, Graham certainly thinks so. Why, how dare she divert money towards those... those animals when there are still so many white-collar pockets open and begging to be filled?
--Patrick
Dave
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Trump’s lawyers misspelled ‘United States’ in his impeachment brief
The president has a track record of shoddy legal briefs in big cases
www.independent.co.uk
Well, if it's a shit show, "Dear Banana Republicans, here is all the shit you flung at Obama and Hillary. You see, you flung it like monkies, we've gathered it, organized it, weaponized it and are sending it back."
One can hope.
Trump lost.
Clinton lost. Romney lost. McCain lost. Kerry lost. Gore lost – "chad"ly. Dole lost. Bush lost. So did Perot. Dukakis lost. Mondale lost. Carter lost. Ford lost. McGovern lost. Humphrey lost. So did Wallace – big time. Goldwater? He lost too. Nixon lost (before he won – then lost.) Stevenson lost – twice. Dewey lost - twice. Strom lost only that once, though. Willkie lost. Landon lost. Hoover lost. Al Smith lost. Davis lost. So did Bob La Follette. Cox lost. Hughes lost. Taft lost. So did Teddy Roosevelt. Bryan lost. Three times, twice in a row. Parker lost. Harrison lost to Cleveland. Cleveland lost to Harrison. Blaine lost. Hancock lost.
Tilden… okay, we'll give you that one (but keep in mind he was a Democrat).
Greely lost. Seymour lost. Jefferson Davis lost. BIG TIME.
The one thing that these forty people all have in common is what happens a lot in life: you lose. For the most part, they all admitted at some point that they lost – though Davis did so, admittedly, at the end of a shotgun. These people all moved on with their lives; a few of them did run for president again, yes. But they all admitted they lost. Maybe not fairly, maybe under questionable circumstances, but they all knew they lost.
Well, except for one.
Clinton lost. Romney lost. McCain lost. Kerry lost. Gore lost – "chad"ly. Dole lost. Bush lost. So did Perot. Dukakis lost. Mondale lost. Carter lost. Ford lost. McGovern lost. Humphrey lost. So did Wallace – big time. Goldwater? He lost too. Nixon lost (before he won – then lost.) Stevenson lost – twice. Dewey lost - twice. Strom lost only that once, though. Willkie lost. Landon lost. Hoover lost. Al Smith lost. Davis lost. So did Bob La Follette. Cox lost. Hughes lost. Taft lost. So did Teddy Roosevelt. Bryan lost. Three times, twice in a row. Parker lost. Harrison lost to Cleveland. Cleveland lost to Harrison. Blaine lost. Hancock lost.
Tilden… okay, we'll give you that one (but keep in mind he was a Democrat).
Greely lost. Seymour lost. Jefferson Davis lost. BIG TIME.
The one thing that these forty people all have in common is what happens a lot in life: you lose. For the most part, they all admitted at some point that they lost – though Davis did so, admittedly, at the end of a shotgun. These people all moved on with their lives; a few of them did run for president again, yes. But they all admitted they lost. Maybe not fairly, maybe under questionable circumstances, but they all knew they lost.
Well, except for one.
figmentPez
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It should come as no surprise that Trump's defense blatantly misrepresents the sources it cites:
