Hey JCM, shall we: http://forum.halforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6763&p=223018#p223018
Yes, it's easy to argue that he had better development, but that doesn't make him who the movie is about anymore then it does Han.
The OT was not made with Vader in mind, as proven by the early drafts, and imo is pretty obvious from the films unless you're actively looking to make it Vader's story because Lucas said so... and that would also work for Han and even the droids... all they would need is a prequel about them... SW IS R2's STORY... :aaahhh:
Read what i said again and stop obsessing about who had more screen time...\"JCM\" said:Yeah, just like the prequel must have been about Obi-Wan, right? :slywink:
Dude, all those happen in the 2 moments i pointed out (well he asks Luke to join him against the Emperor again at some point as i recall in Jedi, but that's nitpicking). I think you just read too much EU where Vader gets a more in-depth look at. During the actual movies we only get a few glimpse's of his state of mind, and important as they are they're hardly enough to take over the whole story.Yeah, we forgot all about him asking Luke to betray his master, his struggle with the Dark Side and his family, his discovery that Luke had a sister, his having to choose death and killing the Emperor and overcoming the Dark Side, because Luke, like Obi-Wan, was used as a narrative to tell his story.
Yes, it's easy to argue that he had better development, but that doesn't make him who the movie is about anymore then it does Han.
Hey, i never said that Lucas doesn't have the right to change his mind about his own story, but that doesn't mean he can just retcon reality and say he always planned it this way...\"JCM\" said:Luke was a protagonist, just like Vader (in a clever antagonist-protagonist twist) and Han Solo, and with the prequels out, the original trilogy is just a continuation of Vader's story, but now with Luke, instead of Obi-Wan, to carry the saga along.
Not that your view is wrong, as movies are bound to have different impressions than that of the creator, heck until I was 14 I always thought that SW was about the droids.
The OT was not made with Vader in mind, as proven by the early drafts, and imo is pretty obvious from the films unless you're actively looking to make it Vader's story because Lucas said so... and that would also work for Han and even the droids... all they would need is a prequel about them... SW IS R2's STORY... :aaahhh: