Do you know where your food comes from?

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Chibibar

I figure I'll start up a thread and we can compile different stories on this.

Here is mine - Eggs
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/01/national/main5279295.shtml

Basically the group is saying that killing male chick (via grinder) is too cruel. I can see why the company does it. It is fast and quick and cheep. (that was intentional) People want eggs and don't want to pay a lot for it, so I can totally understand why they are killing off 200 million male chicks a year and keep like 33 million female to raise and produce eggs.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Quite frankly, there are far less humane ways to euthanize these chicks.

It's the way of the world, if something has no value, it's discarded. What should they do, send these useless animals off to a field where they can consume resources that would be better served feeding animals that have a viable use?

It's just the OMG, teh cute chickies factor that makes this "shocking".

It's really just vegan propoganda.
 
North_Ranger

North_Ranger

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Oh for the love of...

Will no one think of the poor bean sprouts, killed en masse to sate the terrible vegan eating machine?
 
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LordRavage

I prefer my meat bloody and moving.

I dont care what type of meat it is......as long as its meat.
 
Rob King

Rob King

ZenMonkey said:
Wake me when chickens become an endangered species. Until then...
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Do this for me too, but only so I can say goodbye.

I don't agree with a lot of what George Carlin gets on with, but he was right when he said of conservationism:

... it's arrogant meddling. It's what got us in trouble in the first place! Doesn't anybody understand that? Interfering with nature.

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irrespective of how we act on this planet, twenty five species that were here today will be gone tomorrow. Let them go gracefully."
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Kovac

Kovac

The real point that they were pushing was the inhumanity of killing the animals at all. The main point of the video may have been about how the animals are killed and how it's done in a needlessly painful way, but throughout the video he was really digging at the death of the chicks just as much as the suffering.

And then of course he gets to his main point at the end, which is for everyone to go vegan. Not that we should implement more humane methods.

And i'm going to have to pass on that.
 
Vytamindi

Vytamindi

Stuff like this shocks and offends me, as well as makes me feel like I need to take some kind of action. However, I will be having chicken fajitas tonight come Hell or high water, so I feel my point is moot.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Yeah, Vegetarianism is not going to become a viable option on a global scale until we can start terraforming deserts more efficiently. Also, YOU try telling the starving people of Asia, Africa, and South America they can't eat meat when they can barely get enough of anything. THAT would be inhumane.
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

@Kovac

So if one takes something too far it doesn't matter if the point he made at the start if good or not?!

@AshburnerX

And that has what to do with killing off male chicks by throwing them in a blender alive? Not to mention what the people you mentioned would say about that waste....


Self-righteous vegan, meet self-righteous everyone else...
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

@Li3n said:
And that has what to do with killing off male chicks by throwing them in a blender alive?
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Are you honestly questioning the ethical treatment of an animal that was, from inception, destined to be be someone's dinner? What's more humane: Being instantaneously crushed alive shortly after birth or being force fed chemicals, caged in terrible conditions, fattened to the point of bursting, while being forced to watch hundreds of it's children disappear mysteriously... and THEN being beheaded and filleted for food. Those are it's ONLY choices.
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

AshburnerX;246180][quote=@Li3n said:
And that has what to do with killing off male chicks by throwing them in a blender alive?
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Are you honestly questioning the ethical treatment of an animal that was, from inception, destined to be be someone's dinner? What's more humane: Being instantaneously crushed alive shortly after birth or being force fed chemicals, caged in terrible conditions, fattened to the point of bursting, while being forced to watch hundreds of it's children disappear mysteriously... and THEN being beheaded and filleted for food. Those are it's ONLY choices.[/QUOTE]

How about neither?
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

@Li3n;246187][quote=AshburnerX;246180][quote=@Li3n said:
And that has what to do with killing off male chicks by throwing them in a blender alive?
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Are you honestly questioning the ethical treatment of an animal that was, from inception, destined to be be someone's dinner? What's more humane: Being instantaneously crushed alive shortly after birth or being force fed chemicals, caged in terrible conditions, fattened to the point of bursting, while being forced to watch hundreds of it's children disappear mysteriously... and THEN being beheaded and filleted for food. Those are it's ONLY choices.[/QUOTE]

How about neither?[/QUOTE]

That's the entire point. If you are against killing them in the first place, the method of their demise is a moot point, as that's not really what you're arguing due to ANY method of killing them being inhumane in your eyes.
 
Rob King

Rob King

@Li3n said:
How does one not interfere with nature unless they're some sort of incorporeal entity?!
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Good point.

I just see conservationism as a lot of time and effort that could be spent on something else. No matter if humans play a part or not, ecosystems are always in a state of flux. Trying to cement them into something we like, or are used to, is a gargantuan task, and will only be undone eventually anyhow.

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North_Ranger said:
The corner teeth in my mouth, the really pointy ones... are they perhaps intended to frighten carrots?
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Nay, to welcome them. See how they're sort of conical like carrots? The carrots are happy at such a familiar shape, and it helps to ease them to their next life.
 
North_Ranger

North_Ranger

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Rob King;246563][quote=@Li3n said:
How does one not interfere with nature unless they're some sort of incorporeal entity?!
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Good point.

I just see conservationism as a lot of time and effort that could be spent on something else. No matter if humans play a part or not, ecosystems are always in a state of flux. Trying to cement them into something we like, or are used to, is a gargantuan task, and will only be undone eventually anyhow.

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North_Ranger said:
The corner teeth in my mouth, the really pointy ones... are they perhaps intended to frighten carrots?
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Nay, to welcome them. See how they're sort of conical like carrots? The carrots are happy at such a familiar shape, and it helps to ease them to their next life.[/QUOTE]

Sooo... they are like vegetable angels, inviting the carrots to their next life? As my poop? (Seriously, I ate some raw carrots yesterday and have been... evacuating small carrot chips today) The theological implications of that are most terrifying...

Although that might explain why I've always thought of angels as a little creepy...
 
sixpackshaker

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AshburnerX said:
Yeah, Vegetarianism is not going to become a viable option on a global scale until we can start terraforming deserts more efficiently. Also, YOU try telling the starving people of Asia, Africa, and South America they can't eat meat when they can barely get enough of anything. THAT would be inhumane.
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Actually if you consider the amount of feed that goes into the production of meat, take that farm land and produce crops for human consumption. That will keep many more people fed than the beef derived from those fields. It takes a lot more calories to get a cow to 1000 lbs, than the calories gained from eating his flesh.
 
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Chibibar

sixpackshaker;246609][quote=AshburnerX said:
Yeah, Vegetarianism is not going to become a viable option on a global scale until we can start terraforming deserts more efficiently. Also, YOU try telling the starving people of Asia, Africa, and South America they can't eat meat when they can barely get enough of anything. THAT would be inhumane.
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Actually if you consider the amount of feed that goes into the production of meat, take that farm land and produce crops for human consumption. That will keep many more people fed than the beef derived from those fields. It takes a lot more calories to get a cow to 1000 lbs, than the calories gained from eating his flesh.[/QUOTE]

you are right. That is true in terms of feed require (corn, wheat, whatever you grow on land) to feed a cow. I think my prof once said it was like 1 acre of land per cow resource used (in terms of beginning to the end of the cow) that is a lot of land and resources.

But then we come to taste. Some people don't like Corn, Wheat, veggies or whatever that grow on land but love a nice slab of steak ;) Humans have been eating meat for a long time. You would need pretty much a Star Trek level food replicator (matter shaper I guess) to create meat from other matters to really get "rid" of the original meat.

BUT even in Star Trek level, some of the crew mention it doesn't quite taste the same vs the real thing.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

That's because natural meat is full of impurities and other such things, as well as a lifetime of events to change it's consistency. You'd be hard pressed to put those sorts of variables into a replicator.

Also, it's because we love the taste of murder. Sweet, delicious murder.
 
drawn_inward

drawn_inward

I am not a PETA supported by any means, but why can't these animals be raised for meat? I think there are plenty of hungry people in the world that wouldn't mind eating a male chicken instead of a hen.
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AshburnerX

AshburnerX

drawn_inward said:
I am not a PETA supported by any means, but why can't these animals be raised for meat? I think there are plenty of hungry people in the world that wouldn't mind eating a male chicken instead of a hen.
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Conversely, you wouldn't have even known you were only eating female chickens if it wasn't pointed out to you.
 
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Cuyval Dar

I know where my food comes from!
I go out into the forest every Sept/Oct/Nov and murder it personally. I think that a .243 or 7mm is very humane.
:sniper:
 
figmentPez

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drawn_inward said:
I am not a PETA supported by any means, but why can't these animals be raised for meat? I think there are plenty of hungry people in the world that wouldn't mind eating a male chicken instead of a hen.
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This is speculation, but it's possible that egg laying chickens are a different breed than chickens raised for their meat. Sure, there are those who would eat them, but they'd have to raise them first, and that takes money.

Then there's also the problem that, I think, males tend to be more aggressive, and harder to raise together, but I only know a very little about raising chickens, mostly what I've seen on the Discovery Channel (Dirty Jobs is awesome).
 
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