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can we get the default vB theme back please?
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^ this
There has been quite a discussion about what themes to keep and such. The moves that are made are taken to make things easier on Dave (and Ame now) and to benefit us all in the long run.
There has been quite a discussion about what themes to keep and such. The moves that are made are taken to make things easier on Dave (and Ame now) and to benefit us all in the long run.
R
Rubicon
i'll donate via paypal if we can have the default forum theme as an option
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Andromache
So fitting.No.
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Olorin
I'd rather see 1 good custom built theme that fits the halforums style. Then all the other themes could be ditched.
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Andromache
Brown.
It's Not Safe For Work.
It's Not Safe For Work.
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Andromache
:Whhmm:
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Andromache
gee I am shocked SHOCKED that your mature diplomatic tact is completely ignored.
Dave
Staff member
I think I see what Mav is saying as he's more worried about how it looks in his office. Basically he's saying that Serenity just LOOKS like a different site than a business site and that the default theme looks normal and he could talk his way out of it.
Mav, does the Evo light blue or perfect blue work for you? They are similar.
Mav, does the Evo light blue or perfect blue work for you? They are similar.
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Andromache
I think mav has never ever complained about any other change in the history of the forums. Ever.
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Andromache
Dear Shannow. Please grow a pair. Fuckhead.
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Andromache
for someone who doesn't get the reference, its pretty much an attack. And given the fact that you're still an asshole, I think it stands.
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Andromache
This is a classic case where internet eliteism clouds sound judgement. I'm sorry if this may sound harsh to some but as a forum administrator of over 40,000 members, I'll offer some free advice.
Stop listening to your board veterans, they don't know any better. Bring back the default theme. Use the default theme as the actual "the default theme". You do WANT new people to join these forums, right? It's more likely than not the default theme will appeal to a greater mass audience and if you want your forum population to expand, you should use it. The veterans of this forum can just as easily scroll down and choose their theme and let it be done. Or use a default theme that closely resembles it. Not everyone will like a custom theme.
Stop listening to your board veterans, they don't know any better. Bring back the default theme. Use the default theme as the actual "the default theme". You do WANT new people to join these forums, right? It's more likely than not the default theme will appeal to a greater mass audience and if you want your forum population to expand, you should use it. The veterans of this forum can just as easily scroll down and choose their theme and let it be done. Or use a default theme that closely resembles it. Not everyone will like a custom theme.
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Andromache
Yes, dear god, let's chuck those forum veterans off the boat, while you're at it, please bring back the theme I want, because my opinion is more valid, since I administer a forum much bigger than yours. This is not elitist.
In all seriousness, it's beige. There was a vote. People lost, people won. But this whole "I don't like the outcome" from approximately 10 people has ranged from "meh," to "omfg you ruined my home and killed my parents I HAAAAAATTTTEEE you!"
I understand it if an asshole like me or <insert your name here> is driving people away from the forums by acting like an ass, but the forum angst over the layout and colors? What are you all, art school graduate students? damn.
In all seriousness, it's beige. There was a vote. People lost, people won. But this whole "I don't like the outcome" from approximately 10 people has ranged from "meh," to "omfg you ruined my home and killed my parents I HAAAAAATTTTEEE you!"
I understand it if an asshole like me or <insert your name here> is driving people away from the forums by acting like an ass, but the forum angst over the layout and colors? What are you all, art school graduate students? damn.
Shannow
Staff member
No, its not that. jay made a good point. Default is jsut that...default. A lot of folks coming to new boards are used to it, and accept it. And with a small period of time you have to get someone to join, a simple color fix can have an effect.
He is not being unreasonable with what he says there. frankly, I am more surprised that one would get rid of the default style that is so widely used and known. most boards do not do that.
He is not being unreasonable with what he says there. frankly, I am more surprised that one would get rid of the default style that is so widely used and known. most boards do not do that.
This is why people who have silvered tongues shouldn't be able to vote on these sorts of things, the result will always be shades of grey. The concept of voting on these sort of things are counter-productive, since a new user will find a forum with a flashy design sort of intimidating and an old user will think of their preferences.
I didn't know there was even a vote for this nor was I inclined to vote for it. Why should I fight for something that is so stupidly flawed and will impede the goals of this very forum? I gave out free advice to Dave without a tone to demean his work compared to my experiences as I have done in the past. He can take it or ignore it, it’s up to him. I know his goals however; I just want to kindly remind him that to listen to the veteran poster base is a sword that cuts on both sides.
I simply don’t see a reason why a default theme cannot be used and have extra themes for those who crave it. The argument is petty and retarded.
Dave
Staff member
The Jay and Shannow have good points. The trouble is, that logic only holds up so far. When you go to any of the bigger/better boards, they ALL have their own custom themes and nobody seems to mind. Something Awful uses a template that is close but is custom, Forumopolis has a custom, Penny Arcade has a custom, etc.
The point is that all the big boards have custom, not the default that everyone else has. I see where you are coming from - I really do - I just think that we need to look forward at growing. I know we're nothing like those other boards, but I'd like to become viable as they are. And we simply won't get there by using nothing but the default and having a shit-ton of styles becomes difficult to administer.
The point is that all the big boards have custom, not the default that everyone else has. I see where you are coming from - I really do - I just think that we need to look forward at growing. I know we're nothing like those other boards, but I'd like to become viable as they are. And we simply won't get there by using nothing but the default and having a shit-ton of styles becomes difficult to administer.
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Andromache
Honestly, my only objection is the amount of work is causes the admins. If we were a paying board I'd probably be bitch about my lack of a Hello Kitty theme.
Shannow
Staff member
I understand that it is a little more work..but then again, creating this shit brown one was also more work too. I am more surprised at getting rid of the default style as an option altogether.
And, I know its opinion and meaningless here, but yes, this board looks like complete shit to me. Sorry Dave, but thats how I feel.
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And where is my eleventy billion postcount!?
Ross
Staff member
I almost always use the "default" style on the forums I visit. The one I'm using right now is Evo Blue, which is pretty damn close to the default style.
Though, admittedly, I also like the Evo Blue style better than the default style (better icons), but I've always felt that the default style should be in place on 99% of the boards out there... the other 1% being a board that has the reputation and population to "bring themselves up to that level." Not saying that we won't ever get there, but I think the self-pride is a little over-the-top in the here and now.
Though, admittedly, I also like the Evo Blue style better than the default style (better icons), but I've always felt that the default style should be in place on 99% of the boards out there... the other 1% being a board that has the reputation and population to "bring themselves up to that level." Not saying that we won't ever get there, but I think the self-pride is a little over-the-top in the here and now.
Dave
Staff member
As always I'm stuck trying to please as many people as possible, which really isn't. Amy is right in that Mav is not a complainer and you ALL have good points, whether pro or con for the default. So what should I do? Better yet, if you had the choice what would YOU do? And that question goes to everyone and not just Shannow/Jay/Crone.
At some point I've got to stop bending and twisting in the wind and stand firm, but I'm not entirely sure this is the time to do that. I'm not entirely happy with the look either, but it's difficult considering HF really has no definable style of its own. As always I'm open to new things and styles. If you were to look for vBulletin skins and find one you like I'd be willing to take a look at it, but again I'd like to stick with 1 - at most 2 - for the sake of making any changes modification wise.
I'm all for the open dialogue in any case.
At some point I've got to stop bending and twisting in the wind and stand firm, but I'm not entirely sure this is the time to do that. I'm not entirely happy with the look either, but it's difficult considering HF really has no definable style of its own. As always I'm open to new things and styles. If you were to look for vBulletin skins and find one you like I'd be willing to take a look at it, but again I'd like to stick with 1 - at most 2 - for the sake of making any changes modification wise.
I'm all for the open dialogue in any case.
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