Michael Jackson Movie.
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If ever a movie raped a childhood....
North_Ranger
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Bah, not gonna see it. Didn't care for the guy or his music even before the whole kiddy-fiddling thing. I just think it's damn weird to celebrate a guy whose life mission seemed to be to turn into a skeletal Peter Pan.
Also, Icarus.
We done here?
Also, Icarus.
We done here?
He certainly is a legend, but I am sick of seeing him and hearing him and hearing about him. Ugh. No, I will not watch that movie.
I don't know if he goofed around with those kids. He was certainly a creepy dude.
I don't know if he goofed around with those kids. He was certainly a creepy dude.
I'm not really that interested in it, or interested in anything about him other than his great music.
THAT BEING SAID, just like months ago, he was never convicted of anything.
THAT BEING SAID, just like months ago, he was never convicted of anything.
North_Ranger
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Still, he was one creepy mothafucka...
You're right, neither was OJ or Bill Clinton. :slywink:
North_Ranger
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I wouldn't go see a movie about either of them, either.
What makes me lose sleep at night is the thought he will be elevated to Elvis' status. I imagine it won't take long before people are claiming he's not dead and then come the impersonators....:bush:
I have a minor interest in seeing this film. I just want to see all goof-balls that still think that Micheal is the greatest, sing and dance their way through this film. It would make me feel just a bit better about myself and my sanity.
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By most metrics, he is the greatest pop star of all time.
By most metrics, he is the greatest pop star of all time.[/QUOTE]
I learned at an early age that just because the masses love something does not mean that it is good. It will normally mean that it is bad. Just watch some of the news clips of the people waiting in line for that movie.
I guess Transformers is the 20th best film of all time, of all time.
By most metrics, he is the greatest pop star of all time.[/QUOTE]
I learned at an early age that just because the masses love something does not mean that it is good. It will normally mean that it is bad. Just watch some of the news clips of the people waiting in line for that movie.
I guess Transformers is the 20th best film of all time, of all time.[/QUOTE]
He's undeniably the highest-selling pop star of all time, and IN ADDITION, widely considered the best objectively.
impersonators??
Like, people who have bathed their face in battery acid?
I can't wait for Asian Jackson performing at vegas.
ElJuski
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Another few notes in THIS thread:
1) Micheal Jackson is a fucking genius when it comes to his pop music regardless of what he may or may not have done. Obviously, if he is a pedophiliac, that's horrible. How much of that should be factored into his genius as a musician, when speaking about his musical abilities? Hardly anything. The guy was fucking amazing at creating and marketing popular pop music.
2)The "Just because the masses say so" doesn't really work here, since really he IS one of the best at what he did. Who has surpassed his talent?
3) There already was a movie about Micheal Jackson and the Jacksons. They played it nonstop on BET right after he died. It's pretty cheesy.
4) Hopefully it won't merely be a CELEBRATION of his life, but rather, an analytical insight into the man as a human being. You know, like all those other films about real people that made you consider humanity through a famous person's example.
5) If not, then the movie may suck and I won't see it anyway. And yes, everybody is riding his dead body to the riches. See also: the new release of a compilation of multiple remixes of his music.
1) Micheal Jackson is a fucking genius when it comes to his pop music regardless of what he may or may not have done. Obviously, if he is a pedophiliac, that's horrible. How much of that should be factored into his genius as a musician, when speaking about his musical abilities? Hardly anything. The guy was fucking amazing at creating and marketing popular pop music.
2)The "Just because the masses say so" doesn't really work here, since really he IS one of the best at what he did. Who has surpassed his talent?
3) There already was a movie about Micheal Jackson and the Jacksons. They played it nonstop on BET right after he died. It's pretty cheesy.
4) Hopefully it won't merely be a CELEBRATION of his life, but rather, an analytical insight into the man as a human being. You know, like all those other films about real people that made you consider humanity through a famous person's example.
5) If not, then the movie may suck and I won't see it anyway. And yes, everybody is riding his dead body to the riches. See also: the new release of a compilation of multiple remixes of his music.
North_Ranger
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1.) Matters of musical taste are subjective.
2.) As are popularity and being "the best".
3.) True.
4.) It's Michael Jackson, not Mahatma goddamn Gandhi. It will be cheesier than a Cheese-Whiz factory bombed with cheddar.
5.) Nothing to add here.
2.) As are popularity and being "the best".
3.) True.
4.) It's Michael Jackson, not Mahatma goddamn Gandhi. It will be cheesier than a Cheese-Whiz factory bombed with cheddar.
5.) Nothing to add here.
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Dusty668
Nope.
Couldn't stand him in the Jackson 5 when I was in third grade, if I could I never listened to a station that had him on solid schedule airplay, never did like voice solo, and thought his face was literally disgusting once it started going bad.
Since I'm not one of those people that drive slow to watch for body parts at a car wreck, anytime I think I see a picture of him coming up, I close whatever page it is.
Couldn't stand him in the Jackson 5 when I was in third grade, if I could I never listened to a station that had him on solid schedule airplay, never did like voice solo, and thought his face was literally disgusting once it started going bad.
Since I'm not one of those people that drive slow to watch for body parts at a car wreck, anytime I think I see a picture of him coming up, I close whatever page it is.
impersonators??
Like, people who have bathed their face in battery acid?
I can't wait for Asian Jackson performing at vegas.[/QUOTE]And now you've found what makes me lose sleep.
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Twitch
I fucking loved the Jackson 5.
ElJuski
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You know, you can only ride so much on "subjective taste". There is such thing as talent within the aesthetics of the craft. I fucking hate Jack Keroac, but I appreciate what his contributions were to literature. The dude might be a mysoginistic, drunk beatnik who wrote a pompous, long-winded novel about the American roadways...and then a few other novels jerking himself and his ideologies off.
But you can't deny the dude is one of the most important American writers. There is a difference. Blowing off the talent by saying you don't personally like fails to strike a considerable argument.
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To elaborate my Keroak claim...regardless of what you think of the person or his writing style, On The Road is a definitive piece of a certain movement of literature, and quite reflective of many cultural aspects going on at the time. I hate that culture, but it's important to note. And, even though I think his writing is pompous and long-winded, it ushered in an era of writing which eventually came to heads with other artforms going at the time.
So, again. I hate the dude. But he has very real contributions to the craft. The same can be, and constantly is, said about Micheal Jackson and pop music.
But you can't deny the dude is one of the most important American writers. There is a difference. Blowing off the talent by saying you don't personally like fails to strike a considerable argument.
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To elaborate my Keroak claim...regardless of what you think of the person or his writing style, On The Road is a definitive piece of a certain movement of literature, and quite reflective of many cultural aspects going on at the time. I hate that culture, but it's important to note. And, even though I think his writing is pompous and long-winded, it ushered in an era of writing which eventually came to heads with other artforms going at the time.
So, again. I hate the dude. But he has very real contributions to the craft. The same can be, and constantly is, said about Micheal Jackson and pop music.
also, the beatles and rock music
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crono1224
Clearly that are genre definers and people who are basically the top of their genre. He had amazing singing talents and could dance like no other, despite being fucked up in the head, clearly doesn't help being a child star.
Also never convicted, you live by the sword, etc etc. I never really seen anyone here ever defend someone convicted as being wrongfully convicted but i seen tons saying people were let off......
Also this movie will prolly not be that great, if its an analytical movie it won't sell well, thats more history channel/A&E, else its probably just going to be cheesy.
Also never convicted, you live by the sword, etc etc. I never really seen anyone here ever defend someone convicted as being wrongfully convicted but i seen tons saying people were let off......
Also this movie will prolly not be that great, if its an analytical movie it won't sell well, thats more history channel/A&E, else its probably just going to be cheesy.
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091027/REVIEWS/910289999
Roger Ebert gave it 4 stars
Roger Ebert gave it 4 stars
North_Ranger
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Okay.
Still not gonna see it. I just don't like Michael Jackson.
No, I'm not racist.
No, I don't know if he was a kiddy-fiddler.
No, I'm not challenging the fact that his albums sold like beer during Oktoberfest. Nor that they had a huge influence on the current music scene.
I just don't like him, either as an artist or as a celebrity.
Still not gonna see it. I just don't like Michael Jackson.
No, I'm not racist.
No, I don't know if he was a kiddy-fiddler.
No, I'm not challenging the fact that his albums sold like beer during Oktoberfest. Nor that they had a huge influence on the current music scene.
I just don't like him, either as an artist or as a celebrity.
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Dusty668
It was the bird, oh and I didn't like it either, but it is much better looking than Jacko. And your point has nothing to do about what I will or won't watch. Sorry MJ's dead but hopefully soon I won't have to listen to his "talent" any more.
ElJuski
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*sigh* once again, "liking / enjoying" DOES NOT
DOES NOT
DOES NOT
DOES NOT
equal understanding the art aesthete. I could give two shits if you listen to Micheal Jackson or not. The point I'm trying to make is that the dude knew his music business. But obviously we're not going to go into a critical analysis of his work because apparently everyone is projecting very shallow arguments against themselves. Whoever said I thought you'd be racist, or you were wrong for not subjectively enjoying his stuff?
NR, for a guy getting his Master's in English, I'd have thought you had a better knack for critical analysis instead of basic "like it / don't like it" paradigms.
DOES NOT
DOES NOT
DOES NOT
equal understanding the art aesthete. I could give two shits if you listen to Micheal Jackson or not. The point I'm trying to make is that the dude knew his music business. But obviously we're not going to go into a critical analysis of his work because apparently everyone is projecting very shallow arguments against themselves. Whoever said I thought you'd be racist, or you were wrong for not subjectively enjoying his stuff?
NR, for a guy getting his Master's in English, I'd have thought you had a better knack for critical analysis instead of basic "like it / don't like it" paradigms.
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