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So are you guys going to go see this?

I have issues with it because I think

1) It's celebrating the life of a pedophile.
2) Talk about a family sucking on the teat of a dead relative!


Personally, I'm going to wait for the sequel.

If ever a movie raped a childhood....

Wow, /thread right there.

Well done. :clap:

Wait for it.....

Bah, not gonna see it. Didn't care for the guy or his music even before the whole kiddy-fiddling thing. I just think it's damn weird to celebrate a guy whose life mission seemed to be to turn into a skeletal Peter Pan.

Also, Icarus.

We done here?

He certainly is a legend, but I am sick of seeing him and hearing him and hearing about him. Ugh. No, I will not watch that movie.

I don't know if he goofed around with those kids. He was certainly a creepy dude.

I'm not really that interested in it, or interested in anything about him other than his great music.

THAT BEING SAID, just like months ago, he was never convicted of anything.

Charlie Dont Surf said:

I'm not really that interested in it, or interested in anything about him other than his great music.

THAT BEING SAID, just like months ago, he was never convicted of anything.

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Still, he was one creepy mothafucka...

Charlie Dont Surf said:

THAT BEING SAID, just like months ago, he was never convicted of anything.

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You're right, neither was OJ or Bill Clinton. :slywink:

I wouldn't go see a movie about either of them, either.

What makes me lose sleep at night is the thought he will be elevated to Elvis' status. I imagine it won't take long before people are claiming he's not dead and then come the impersonators....:bush:

I probably won't be seeing it, but I can understand his fans want a chance for one last hurrah. Not to mention his estate.

And I still say Michael Jackson would have been perfect for the role of Lord Voldemort in the HP movies.

I have a minor interest in seeing this film. I just want to see all goof-balls that still think that Micheal is the greatest, sing and dance their way through this film. It would make me feel just a bit better about myself and my sanity.

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sixpackshaker said:

all goof-balls that still think that Micheal is the greatest,

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By most metrics, he is the greatest pop star of all time.

Bonhomme Richard said:

If ever a movie raped a childhood....

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Charlie Dont Surf;285211][quote=sixpackshaker said:

all goof-balls that still think that Micheal is the greatest,

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By most metrics, he is the greatest pop star of all time.[/QUOTE]

I learned at an early age that just because the masses love something does not mean that it is good. It will normally mean that it is bad. Just watch some of the news clips of the people waiting in line for that movie.


I guess Transformers is the 20th best film of all time, of all time.

sixpackshaker;285222][quote=Charlie Dont Surf;285211][quote=sixpackshaker said:

all goof-balls that still think that Micheal is the greatest,

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By most metrics, he is the greatest pop star of all time.[/QUOTE]

I learned at an early age that just because the masses love something does not mean that it is good. It will normally mean that it is bad. Just watch some of the news clips of the people waiting in line for that movie.


I guess Transformers is the 20th best film of all time, of all time.[/QUOTE]

He's undeniably the highest-selling pop star of all time, and IN ADDITION, widely considered the best objectively.

So it begins.

Took longer than I expected.

Hey, I tried to end it before it started. :humph:

Bonhomme Richard said:

What makes me lose sleep at night is the thought he will be elevated to Elvis' status. I imagine it won't take long before people are claiming he's not dead and then come the impersonators....:bush:

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impersonators??


Like, people who have bathed their face in battery acid?





I can't wait for Asian Jackson performing at vegas.

Another few notes in THIS thread:

1) Micheal Jackson is a fucking genius when it comes to his pop music regardless of what he may or may not have done. Obviously, if he is a pedophiliac, that's horrible. How much of that should be factored into his genius as a musician, when speaking about his musical abilities? Hardly anything. The guy was fucking amazing at creating and marketing popular pop music.

2)The "Just because the masses say so" doesn't really work here, since really he IS one of the best at what he did. Who has surpassed his talent?

3) There already was a movie about Micheal Jackson and the Jacksons. They played it nonstop on BET right after he died. It's pretty cheesy.

4) Hopefully it won't merely be a CELEBRATION of his life, but rather, an analytical insight into the man as a human being. You know, like all those other films about real people that made you consider humanity through a famous person's example.

5) If not, then the movie may suck and I won't see it anyway. And yes, everybody is riding his dead body to the riches. See also: the new release of a compilation of multiple remixes of his music.

1.) Matters of musical taste are subjective.

2.) As are popularity and being "the best".

3.) True.

4.) It's Michael Jackson, not Mahatma goddamn Gandhi. It will be cheesier than a Cheese-Whiz factory bombed with cheddar.

5.) Nothing to add here.

Nope.

Couldn't stand him in the Jackson 5 when I was in third grade, if I could I never listened to a station that had him on solid schedule airplay, never did like voice solo, and thought his face was literally disgusting once it started going bad.

Since I'm not one of those people that drive slow to watch for body parts at a car wreck, anytime I think I see a picture of him coming up, I close whatever page it is.

Silver Jelly;285417][quote=Bonhomme Richard said:

What makes me lose sleep at night is the thought he will be elevated to Elvis' status. I imagine it won't take long before people are claiming he's not dead and then come the impersonators....:bush:

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impersonators??


Like, people who have bathed their face in battery acid?





I can't wait for Asian Jackson performing at vegas.[/QUOTE]And now you've found what makes me lose sleep.

I fucking loved the Jackson 5.

You know, you can only ride so much on "subjective taste". There is such thing as talent within the aesthetics of the craft. I fucking hate Jack Keroac, but I appreciate what his contributions were to literature. The dude might be a mysoginistic, drunk beatnik who wrote a pompous, long-winded novel about the American roadways...and then a few other novels jerking himself and his ideologies off.

But you can't deny the dude is one of the most important American writers. There is a difference. Blowing off the talent by saying you don't personally like fails to strike a considerable argument.

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To elaborate my Keroak claim...regardless of what you think of the person or his writing style, On The Road is a definitive piece of a certain movement of literature, and quite reflective of many cultural aspects going on at the time. I hate that culture, but it's important to note. And, even though I think his writing is pompous and long-winded, it ushered in an era of writing which eventually came to heads with other artforms going at the time.

So, again. I hate the dude. But he has very real contributions to the craft. The same can be, and constantly is, said about Micheal Jackson and pop music.

also, the beatles and rock music

Clearly that are genre definers and people who are basically the top of their genre. He had amazing singing talents and could dance like no other, despite being fucked up in the head, clearly doesn't help being a child star.

Also never convicted, you live by the sword, etc etc. I never really seen anyone here ever defend someone convicted as being wrongfully convicted but i seen tons saying people were let off......

Also this movie will prolly not be that great, if its an analytical movie it won't sell well, thats more history channel/A&E, else its probably just going to be cheesy.

Either my argument, or that awesome bird video killed this thread.

Good. Because my point was awesome. Much like that bird video.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091027/REVIEWS/910289999

Roger Ebert gave it 4 stars

Wow...interesting. Conversely, the AVClub gave it a C, saying it should more be like "This is It?"

Okay.

Still not gonna see it. I just don't like Michael Jackson.

No, I'm not racist.

No, I don't know if he was a kiddy-fiddler.

No, I'm not challenging the fact that his albums sold like beer during Oktoberfest. Nor that they had a huge influence on the current music scene.

I just don't like him, either as an artist or as a celebrity.

ElJuski said:

Either my argument, or that awesome bird video killed this thread.

Good. Because my point was awesome. Much like that bird video.

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It was the bird, oh and I didn't like it either, but it is much better looking than Jacko. And your point has nothing to do about what I will or won't watch. Sorry MJ's dead but hopefully soon I won't have to listen to his "talent" any more.

*sigh* once again, "liking / enjoying" DOES NOT


DOES NOT

DOES NOT

DOES NOT


equal understanding the art aesthete. I could give two shits if you listen to Micheal Jackson or not. The point I'm trying to make is that the dude knew his music business. But obviously we're not going to go into a critical analysis of his work because apparently everyone is projecting very shallow arguments against themselves. Whoever said I thought you'd be racist, or you were wrong for not subjectively enjoying his stuff?

NR, for a guy getting his Master's in English, I'd have thought you had a better knack for critical analysis instead of basic "like it / don't like it" paradigms.

ElJuski said:

*sigh* once again, "liking / enjoying" DOES NOT


DOES NOT

DOES NOT

DOES NOT


equal understanding the art aesthete. I could give two shits if you listen to Micheal Jackson or not. The point I'm trying to make is that the dude knew his music business. But obviously we're not going to go into a critical analysis of his work because apparently everyone is projecting very shallow arguments against themselves. Whoever said I thought you'd be racist, or you were wrong for not subjectively enjoying his stuff?

NR, for a guy getting his Master's in English, I'd have thought you had a better knack for critical analysis instead of basic "like it / don't like it" paradigms.

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Juski, ol' boy, I was being facetious. My bad on that part... does not show online and all that. Just threw the whole racist thing out there in jest.

But honestly, Master's degree in English doesn't mean I have to do an analysis on every piece of (popular) culture. I mean, this thread was about whether or not we would go and see the movie. I'm not because as a person I don't give two bits about Michael Jackson. Two separate emphases there...

If you want an analogy, Daniel Defoe's writing had a major influence on the form of novel writing, in essence helping bring forth a new variety of popular reading. I know that, I recognize the value of the cultural impact. Personally, however, I did not particularly like Moll Flanders, though. See the difference?

North_Ranger said:

If you want an analogy, Daniel Defoe's writing had a major influence on the form of novel writing, in essence helping bring forth a new variety of popular reading. I know that, I recognize the value of the cultural impact. Personally, however, I did not particularly like Moll Flanders, though. See the difference?

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That was my initial point. Completely and exactly. I never gave a shit about whether people enjoyed the man's music or not. I was simply bringing up the point that, regardless of one's personal opinions of the man or his music taste...he has done much on the pop-culture aesthetic.

And, I understand that you're not going to be hyper-analyzing everything. But really, where's the fun in having a discussion thread if we're all just going to push a "Like it" or "Don't like it" button?

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And, I understand that you're not going to be hyper-analyzing everything. But really, where's the fun in having a discussion thread if we're all just going to push a "Like it" or "Don't like it" button?

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Allen, who is Quiet likes this!

this ain't facebook, this as real as it gets, you on the forums, motherfucker don't you ever forget

I thought this was about whether or not people are hyped about the "This is it" or whatever the Jackson tribute film is called. I think it's a pretty simple question: yes, no, maybe. Plus reason.

I'm not. Because I didn't really like Jackson as a celebrity - that is to say, the weird-ass person who was made into an even bigger freak in the eyes of the media, but who after his death was just about loved by all and phooey to anyone who said a bad word about him after he kicked the bucket. I'm just tired of hearing about him, you know? And since I'm not a fan, I'm not gonna go an' see the movie.

This whole thread was made for two purposes & two purposes only:


1) To see how many people were interested in the movie.
2) To make the joke about the sequel.


Everything else is just about amusement.

Dave said:

2) To make the joke about the sequel.

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2) To make the joke about the sequel.

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EEEEAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!![/QUOTE]

I read that as the Wilhelm Scream™.[/QUOTE]

Impure Vyxen said:

Also, birds love Michael Jackson!


Check out [COLOR=\"SandyBrown\"]3m16s[/COLOR] to see the bird go all metal mania on MJ.

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It's taking all of my willpower to not pull a Kanye West here.

ElJuski said:

the dude knew his music business.

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So they auctioned all his stuff to pay debts because he knew his business? Wow, financial genius to match his musical "talent".

No, I meant how he became one of the most popular and musically successful musicians of his time, not to mention one of the most (in)famous musical celebrities in pop culture history.

But obviously you've made up your mind, and there's no discussion to be had with you. If you can't objectively try and see the man's development of the art form...your loss. It's an unfortunate, shallow look at things. I'm sure you'll survive.

Also, it's funny, because everyone always falls guilty of this--when a thread gets derailed, or someone posits a tangent to the discussion, people whine or point out that's not what the thread is for.

Well, for the sake of argument, I made a point of discussion.

But, whatever, Dave. This thread can also just be about a joke and people saying "yay" or "nay". Sorry folks!

ElJuski said:

No, I meant how he became one of the most popular and musically successful musicians of his time, not to mention one of the most (in)famous musical celebrities in pop culture history.

But obviously you've made up your mind, and there's no discussion to be had with you. If you can't objectively try and see the man's development of the art form...your loss. It's an unfortunate, shallow look at things. I'm sure you'll survive.

Also, it's funny, because everyone always falls guilty of this--when a thread gets derailed, or someone posits a tangent to the discussion, people whine or point out that's not what the thread is for.

Well, for the sake of argument, I made a point of discussion.

But, whatever, Dave. This thread can also just be about a joke and people saying "yay" or "nay". Sorry folks!

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I agree with you all on points Juski.

His personality was questionable at times even disturbing, but there's no denying his immense talent at marketing his talent, and entertaining people.

Juski, I certainly didn't mean to get you riled up. You just went and waved a red flag in front of me when you went and brought up the Master's degree in English to the fray.

I'm very, very easily angered if someone disses my academic success. As a single, non-sporty guy without a steady job yet... that cuts mighty deep identity-wise.

I would like to know, however, if your last post was an angry vent against yours truly.

I'm not mad or anything; and yeah, I was snarky on the english thing, but that's because that's what my (pretty much useless) degree is in. I was just kind of shocked to see someone who I would hope esteem critical analysis just go with the easy call.

My last post in general was an angry vent against the simple panning of someone's work because of that person. It should all be taken into consideration; I also think that people so readily just shit on Micheal Jackson for obvious personality flaws. What's remarkable about his case, however--much like, say, Warren Specter or Roman Polanski--is that regardless of their character and ethics, they've done some astounding things in their fields.

As a dude who loves literature, and art, and pop-culture, it really grinds my gears when people just pan it without really considering the art itself. But really that's why I get pissed at society at large.

Either way, *fist bump* we cool brochacho.

*sunglasses, sunset*

The sequel, Dave, will be Weird Al's posthumous movie.

So, let's have some fun.

You parents on the forum, or those with little ones in the family close to you: If someone molested your kids, how much money would you be bought off for?

'Cause at that point, if the kid really was touched and you accept money for that, have fun with the child prostitution thing.

My guess is, none of you would. Hell, criminal charges would be the ruse to get the fucker in court so I get shed some blood. No money can repair that kind of damage, and who would accept money to see the fucker who touched their kids go free?

So I call Bullshit on the first trial--money-grubbers who nothing happened to, but they knew Jackson would want it out of his hair, like any celebrity would. If someone touched your kids, money makes it all better?

Second trial was just a joke--the family had tried scamming someone else in the past and failed. Try again, fail. Wonder who they'll try to scam next before their kid's terminal illness finishes and they can't find a rich sap to "settle" and pay the medical bills.

I didn't like Michael Jackson. I didn't enjoy his music aside from the Weird Al parodies, and I didn't like the personality he exhibited. But just on the logical side of examining what happened with those incidents, they're full of it.

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I'm not mad or anything; and yeah, I was snarky on the english thing, but that's because that's what my (pretty much useless) degree is in. I was just kind of shocked to see someone who I would hope esteem critical analysis just go with the easy call.

My last post in general was an angry vent against the simple panning of someone's work because of that person. It should all be taken into consideration; I also think that people so readily just shit on Micheal Jackson for obvious personality flaws. What's remarkable about his case, however--much like, say, Warren Specter or Roman Polanski--is that regardless of their character and ethics, they've done some astounding things in their fields.

As a dude who loves literature, and art, and pop-culture, it really grinds my gears when people just pan it without really considering the art itself. But really that's why I get pissed at society at large.

Either way, *fist bump* we cool brochacho.

*sunglasses, sunset*

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Well, I did try to tell you over and over again that my not going to see the movie has a lot to do with how I perceive Michael Jackson to be as a celebrity; I will not use the word 'person' since I don't have the privilege/shame/whatever to have met him in person. I have no desire to go watch a movie about a person whom I would, as a lay person, consider deeply troubled rather than eccentric; and whose status among the press went from "Beat him with the frenzy of a kid with Tourettes beats a piñata" to "Awww, such a great guy, such a nice guy, yay yay" overnight when he croaked.

That being sad... his music. Personally I don't like his music, but I am not gonna go and say the guy did not have an impact on contemporary popular music. In my personal perspective, things like "greatest" and "best" are subjective evaluations, not objective, so I don't think anyone's opinion on him being the best in his genre is more valuable than someone else's. But yes, the man did have a deep impact on the music scene.

My previous comments were short and snarky. And I reserve the right to be that way, goddammit. I have enough grief with my thesis; I don't want to come here just so I could do what I have to do on a daily basis.

But yes, we're cool. Just remember; next time you go dissin' my (soon-to-be-official) degree, I'm gonna beat you up so bad your teeth will come out of your ass. :batman: