Haha AT&T suing over truth

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Chazwozel

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...n_lawsuit_makes_atandt_the_villain_again.html

America is thanking AT&T this morning for drawing attention to how limited its 3G coverage is. This is something I never paid much attention to until yesterday, when AT&T sued Verizon over a TV ad comparing the carriers' 3G coverage.

AT&T sued over Verizon's \"There's a map for that\" TV ad that compares Verizon's 3G coverage (lots) to AT&T's (small by comparison). If AT&T had not sued, the ad would have come and gone. I might never have seen it, but now that I have, I am sharing it with friends--like you.

Now, if Verizon prevails in the lawsuit, AT&T can expect to see the ad, or something including the same maps, forever.

AT&T claims the ad is misleading because it shows areas of the country where it does not offer 3G coverage in white. AT&T claims this implies that it has no data coverage in those areas, when it actually does offer slower speed data coverage in much of Verizon's \"white area.\"

AT&T does not want people to notice the limitations on its 3G coverage, suggesting somehow, that any wireless data coverage it offers is good enough. If it were really good enough, people would not have upgraded to the iPhone to the 3GS, as I did.

Look at the TV ad for yourself. (AT&T: See what this lawsuit is buying you?) I think it is extremely clear that Verizon is comparing 3G coverage to 3G coverage, apples to apples. The ad is not confusing at all. (I have linked to two different versions of the ad).

What I would have found confusing is just what AT&T wants, some additional color on its map. That would have ruining my ability to just glance at the map and understand its meaning: AT&T has less 3G coverage than Verizon.

As a smartphone user, 3G-signal coverage is what I want. I had already known AT&T's coverage does not match Verizon's. However, I had never really paid much attention, not until AT&T caused me to take a look for myself.

The specifics of the case, much of which sounds like whining on AT&T's part, are discussed here. As an aside, Mark Siegel, a career AT&T PR person, really deserves better than the company he ended up having to try to defend so very often.

AT&T is now asking a court on an emergency basis, essentially, to help it cover-up its network's shortcomings. While Verizon was building a 3G network that covers the boonies, AT&T did not.

Here is what AT&T says in wants in its complaint, filed in a Georgia federal court (presented as a PDF, courtesy of the Wall Street Journal):

\"AT&T does not seek to stop Verizon from running its advertisements, nor does it seek to change the words Verizon uses in the advertisements. At this time, AT&T seeks only an order prohibiting Verizon from displaying, in the \"Bench\" advertisement, or in any other advertisement, a map of AT&T's \"3G\" coverage in which AT&T's non-\"3G\" coverage areas are depicted by white or blank space. This limited relief is necessary to prevent consumers from being misled by the maps into believing that AT&T offers no wireless service in large parts of the United States.\"

Looking at the map (there's that TV commercial again), it is clear AT&T's 3G covers the big cities. Just not very much in between. Sometimes I find myself in those places and wish I had 3G coverage.

As for not pointing out that AT&T has slower speed data coverage where it lacks 3G coverage, I do not see how Verizon is under any obligation to do so. Where AT&T claims Verizon has hit some sort of \"new low\" in comparative advertising, I see no foul as having been committed.

I am not saying AT&T's coverage isn't acceptable if that's all you have. However, I have occasionally I am surprised to find the 3G symbol I expect to see replaced by the E symbol, indicating my iPhone 3GS is connected to AT&T's the slower network.

If you are interested in how 3G works in various cities, we went to 13 cities around the U.S. and measured 3G performance for this story that ran in June. For AT&T, the bottom line was that over more than 5,000 tests in nearly 300 locations, it did not do as well as Verizon or Sprint.

This lawsuit is not the first time AT&T has looked bad. It's slow adoption of MMS, lack of tethering support, and the Skype, Google Voice, Google Maps Navigation, and Google Latitude controversies have all hurt the company's image with customers.

Bottom line: AT&T needs to build out its 3G network or be willing to take the abuse that comes from not doing so. Making a big deal about Verizon's ad does AT&T more harm than good. Once again, AT&T looks like a villain to its customers.
So AT&T sues because Verzion makes a point blank comparison between it's 3G network coverage. Makes sense!
 

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I've gotten the impression from the web that people are flocking from the iPhone in droves now that the shiny has worn off. Not because of the phone--most still love the phone and regret having to abandon it--but because of AT&T's shoddy coverage.
 
The Mrs and I flocked from Verizon to AT&T because of the amount of dropped calls, no service signals in our home, "we're sorry but the subscriber you are calling can not be reached at this time" messages, plus the over all "PAY FOR EVERYTHING!" mentality that Verizon has.

Been with AT&T for a couple years now and have not had one single issue with them.

And it's not like we're in the middle of boondocks nowhere either. We're just outside of NYC for chrissakes!
 
Here's the actual commercial:


They say 4 times in the 30 second commercial they are talking about 3g. They also have nice big lettering under the maps stating that it is 3g coverage. I hope this blows up in AT&T's face.
 
I have At&T, and I've been pretty happy with it, but I live in a well covered area. I've seen their maps, and yeah, it gets pretty sparse in some wide areas.
 
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Chibibar

I can see why AT&T is upset with this. (I recently join the iPhone family) to the general public, people might not know that 3G =/= phone coverage. Many people would think that if no 3G = no coverage in those areas (which can be misleading)

I came from T-mobile and recently move to AT&T. I am loving it so far.
 
I see those maps, and think "a pox on both your houses". Coverage in my area is either sparse or none. For them, at least. Sprint gives me DSL-level speeds in the same spot.
 

Shannow

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Meh, i have been happy with cingular/att for the last 9 years, and that isnt going to change. i get perfectly fine 3g here
 
I can see why AT&T is upset with this. (I recently join the iPhone family) to the general public, people might not know that 3G =/= phone coverage. Many people would think that if no 3G = no coverage in those areas (which can be misleading)

I came from T-mobile and recently move to AT&T. I am loving it so far.
So they're suing Verizon over the stupidity of their customers? I recently switched over to get an iPhone, I love the phone, but there is no doubt that the quality of my coverage has dropped. With Verizon I never had to worry about the bars on my phone.

If there is no CDMA iPhone in 2 years I honestly don't know what I'll do. Either stay with AT&T for the iPhone, or maybe see how far Android has come.
 
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Wasabi Poptart

Bellygrub - I have experienced exactly the opposite here in CA. I had AT&T while I lived in southern NJ. The coverage was awful around my hometown, but granted I lived in the boonies and no carrier had a decent signal. I kept AT&T when we moved to the San Diego area. We had constant dropped calls and calls that would go right to voicemail without the phone ever ringing. I often had no signal in my house. I thought it was because we lived close to three Navy bases and maybe the radar or other electronic devices were interfering with the signal. We eventually moved away from those bases, but still had trouble getting good reception, dropped calls, and missed calls. Last year we switched to Verizon. The only dropped or missed calls I've had have been while at the Navy hospital, which is near the San Diego airport and directly in their arriving flight path.
 
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I can see why AT&T is upset with this. (I recently join the iPhone family) to the general public, people might not know that 3G =/= phone coverage. Many people would think that if no 3G = no coverage in those areas (which can be misleading)

I came from T-mobile and recently move to AT&T. I am loving it so far.
They mention that it's 3G coverage comparisons in the ads about three or four times. It's a very straight comparison. It's not misleading in the least bit. AT&T is upset because it's a classic case of the advertised brand vs. brand X commercial. Due to spotty coverage areas of their 3G network, they're brand X.

I can understand why someone from T-mobile or Sprint would love AT&T. AT&T is far superior to each of those services. I travel a lot around the East Coast and for me Verizon has been the better choice in both data and voice networks (plus I get a 22% discount for Verizon for my practice through a deal they run for small businesses). I've used smart phones for a long time and thus far my Blackberry Tour on Verizon has been the winner, hands down.

I'm willing to bet that if Apple would alter contractual agreements and provide support for Verizon as a carry, AT&T would go under. If anything this should be a wake up call for them to improve their data networks because the iPhone is the only thing keeping their wireless branch afloat.
 
I can understand why someone from T-mobile or Sprint would love AT&T. AT&T is far superior to each of those services. I travel a lot around the East Coast and for me Verizon has been the better choice in both data and voice networks (plus I get a 22% discount for Verizon for my practice through a deal they run for small businesses). I've used smart phones for a long time and thus far my Blackberry Tour on Verizon has been the winner, hands down.
AT&T finally turned on 3G over the summer here, but truth be told, it's been hell for them. Judging from the internet chatter in the area, most of the AT&T customers here want out as soon as possible. Dropped calls is the new normal for them.
 
Yeah, I have a $50phone that I spend $30 a month on..... I just don't get the appeal here.

Now the topic at hand? Hilarious. The old saying "Bad press is good press" etc.
 
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Morgoth

Yeah, I have a $50phone that I spend $30 a month on..... I just don't get the appeal here.

Now the topic at hand? Hilarious. The old saying "Bad press is good press" etc.
My phone was free! But I do pay 90 bucks a month on it. :( I like to use my "damn it, Jim I'm a doctor" excuse. :moon:
 
These kinds of "sue for the truth" lawsuits happen in the UK even more frequently. Recently a critic of chiropractics was sued (almost to oblivion! He's spending hundreds of thousands of his own euros to defend himself!) because he used the word "bogus", which was interpreted to mean "intentionally misleading".

Here's what he wrote:

You might think that modern chiropractors restrict themselves to treating back problems, but in fact they still possess some quite wacky ideas. The fundamentalists argue that they can cure anything. And even the more moderate chiropractors have ideas above their station. The British Chiropractic Association claims that their members can help treat children with colic, sleeping and feeding problems, frequent ear infections, asthma and prolonged crying, even though there is not a jot of evidence. This organisation is the respectable face of the chiropractic profession and yet it happily promotes bogus treatments.\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Singh#cite_note-beware-11\"
More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Singh
 
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SeraRelm

Just a note on the costs of plans and such between the two, they're exactly the same. The only difference in companies being coverage vs roll over minutes.

Discuss.
 
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Chibibar

Just a note on the costs of plans and such between the two, they're exactly the same. The only difference in companies being coverage vs roll over minutes.

Discuss.
iPhone phenomenon is pretty big. There are apps and people well... know apple and iPhone. I wish iPhone wasn't an exclusive to AT&T (legally without cracking it) I just got it so I'm stuck in 2 year contract for 3 phones. It would be expensive to break that contract.
 
I've got a plan with Sprint. It's not sexy, but it's cheap and it works 99% of the time.

I would love to have an iPhone, but I want the gadget not the service. I suppose I should just get the Touch - invisible touch...
 
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