Rules/Infractions Speak now or forever hold your peace.

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PatrThom

PatrThom

Late to the party, but...

To open up the hotlinking issue a bit...would it be acceptable to say there should be some sort of limit on the size of the file being linked? I don't mean image dimensions, I mean actual filesize. It's one thing to hotlink a smiley, but it's quite another to hotlink some 20MB file from gifbin. It's already bad enough when a page has a dozen or more posts by people with animated avatars, sigs, images, etc...especially once the quote wars start.

I'm sure if I have any problems with the rules as enacted, then I will put forth civil and well-reasoned argument(s) regarding any future issues.

--Patrick
 
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Did you guys catch that South Park where they discussed this very matter? They were trying to make the point that the word has changed meanings (particularly in exactly which group it was insulting) many times over its history, and that most people don't associate the insult with homosexuality anymore. True to a point, but definitely one of SP's weaker arguments.
 
Dave

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fade said:
Did you guys catch that South Park where they discussed this very matter? They were trying to make the point that the word has changed meanings (particularly in exactly which group it was insulting) many times over its history, and that most people don't associate the insult with homosexuality anymore. True to a point, but definitely one of SP's weaker arguments.
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I watched that episode and was kinda amazed at the timeliness.

It's still not going to be tolerated because people will be shitheads and try and use this as a defense. "It's not what I meant!" will probably not be a valid excuse. People use the same argument with the n-word and we all know how well that works.
 
Dave

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Shegokigo said:


That is all.
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Excellent example of what I'm talking about, Shego. I realize you are a gay woman, but isn't this kind of thing something that can get out of hand? Sure, it's impossible to protect the sensibilities of everyone, but when a word is a known epithet isn't it to our benefit to disallow such usage?

Are there any words which bother you? What if said word was started to be used as a pejorative for stupid people? Does it lessen the impact of how it affects you?
 
Shegokigo

Shegokigo

Dave said:
Excellent example of what I'm talking about, Shego. I realize you are a gay woman, but isn't this kind of thing something that can get out of hand? Sure, it's impossible to protect the sensibilities of everyone, but when a word is a known epithet isn't it to our benefit to disallow such usage?

Are there any words which bother you? What if said word was started to be used as a pejorative for stupid people? Does it lessen the impact of how it affects you?
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I think it's a perfect example of the word being used as obvious non-derogatory.
 
Shannow

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You know...there are a lot of folks from Texas here on these boards....

Only steers and queers come from Texas, Halforum. And you all don't look much like steers to me so that kinda narrows it down. Do you suck dicks?



...Would that be considered an infraction, Dave?
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

Nah, that's just speakignthe truth, Shamwow.

And Dave: "Belge" and "sale flamand" are both used in a derogatory way by the French and the Walloons, respectively. If someone is really using it to put someone down based on their language/region of origin, it can bother me - just like someone using "******" to refer to a black person in a clearly racist way does. On the other hand, I don't mind one bit if I do something stpuid and someone says I've been "acting Belgian". If I were to call Allen here my queer commienazi-homeboy, I don't think it's meant as an insult to homosexuals, communists, national-socialists, or black people (it is meant as an insult to Jews, obviously.).

Are we really going to have use "the n-word", "the f-word", "the c-word", "the d-word", the "g-word", "the a-word", and so on to avoid stepping on anyone's toes? That's going a bit too far imnsho.
 
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TotalFusionOne

Can't we just agree that context changes a word? I mean it seems that most of the people in this forum are intelligent enough to know the difference between "God, that ****** could run" and "Stop being a goddamn ******."

I, as an openly bisexual male, enjoy using the word Fag in the original derogatory meaning. I love calling my friends fags. Even the gayest of my gay friends call eachother fags. "Fag" doesn't mean homosexual, it means a specific type of non-desirable homosexual and therefore is no better or worse than saying redneck or Steelers-fan.

EDIT: ^ In the post above I was using the N-word to illustrate a point. I see it's been blanked out and I hope no one was offended by my offering my two cents.
 
Shegokigo

Shegokigo

Well, hm. I think this is the way Dave should explain it to us.

Should we act like we're in the middle of a place of business? Like I couldn't tell a fellow co-worker "Don't being such a fag".

Is it more like a classroom, where I can tell my friend he's being a "queer" but if someone overhears us, they can tell the teacher and we'd get sent to the principal's office?

Or are we all just chilling out in our best friends house and expect, that unless we're shoving each other into a wall, it's all in jest?
 
Dave

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I know this is a hotbutton issue and I'm glad that we can discuss this like adults. I also know that some words can be used in different ways. I grok that. I also grok that some words can be used in a humorous manner without anyone taking offense.

However, if these words are used towards someone who takes offense, then you may expect an infraction.

And to the questions above, nothing I've seen would be construed as an infraction. Again, if someone reports it we'll take a look at it individually as context is everything.
 
Shannow

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Bubble181 said:
Shamwow.
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That is still oh so clever. Really.

Hahaha, I kid.

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Also, if I cannot say ****, then really, what is the point of this place? I refuse to remove that from my vocabulary.
 
Dave

Dave

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There are two whole words in the censor bar. I'd add more but I hate the **** instead of smurf...
 
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TotalFusionOne

Uhm. A lot. Work in a restaurant, I got called a ****** in a friendly and teasing manner a lot by the rest of the staff.
 
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Chazwozel

I prefer not to say 'fag' because I don't like sounding like a 13 year old brat on xbox live. That is all.
 
Dave

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Faggot also has real usage in the English language other than an epithet. The n-word does not.

And using a word jokingly between friends is one thing, but humor and context has a way of being a bit skewed when trying to type it out.
 
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TotalFusionOne

Woah, hang on. Not that I'm advocating for the inclusion, but the N-word was meant for something else before it was used for black people. It meant re-nigged. Or go back on a deal. That's why it ended up being used for black people.
 
Dave

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TotalFusionOne said:
Woah, hang on. Not that I'm advocating for the inclusion, but the N-word was meant for something else before it was used for black people. It meant re-nigged. Or go back on a deal. That's why it ended up being used for black people.
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The etymology of a word does not negate the impact it has now.

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And I understand what you are saying, Fusion. We're trying to hash out how we react to this stuff so we're talking about it. Like adults. For a change.
 
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TotalFusionOne

Rightright, I understand the concept of what you're doing. I just wanted to point out that even people who use the word in a derogatory way don't really know what they're saying...

I mean, you know what they say

 
ElJuski

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Uhm, ****** comes from negro.

Also, I have never seen the word faggot be used for anything but for the derogatory meaning, or else somebody being stupid and making a cigarette / piece of wood pun.

If you're going to make one of them bleeped, the other should to. It just makes sense. Personally I would censor neither, but if people be scoping these forums, it may be for the best.

Also, that's pretty lame that South Park switched foot on the "fag" thing. I thought they were right on with the "******guy" episode.
 
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TotalFusionOne

DAMMIT. I thought the N-word had something to do with going back on a deal. I can't even find interwebz stuff to back me up on it :\ I fail.
 
Dave

Dave

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ElJuski said:
Uhm, ****** comes from negro.

Also, I have never seen the word ****** be used for anything but for the derogatory meaning, or else somebody being stupid and making a cigarette / piece of wood pun.

If you're going to make one of them bleeped, the other should to. It just makes sense. Personally I would censor neither, but if people be scoping these forums, it may be for the best.

Also, that's pretty lame that South Park switched foot on the "fag" thing. I thought they were right on with the "******guy" episode.
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Done and done.
 
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SeraRelm



Any other asterisks I should avoid in word form, as words alone are the problem, not the intent behind them?
 
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