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Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (epic trailer of epic trailerness!)
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I think that last line stops the scale from being reasonable as that is the age range where you would most likely to use such a metric. 23-30 you can kind use it but at that point I would just use an age difference/life experience difference instead.
I think that last line stops the scale from being reasonable as that is the age range where you would most likely to use such a metric. 23-30 you can kind use it but at that point I would just use an age difference/life experience difference instead.[/QUOTE]
I think Gusto means because in that age range, if there is sex involved, its illegal.
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I think that last line stops the scale from being reasonable as that is the age range where you would most likely to use such a metric. 23-30 you can kind use it but at that point I would just use an age difference/life experience difference instead.[/QUOTE]
I think Gusto means because in that age range, if there is sex involved, its illegal.
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Age of consent in Canada is 16. No illegal.
Let's talk some more about fucking high school girls and how legal it is in this thread.
I think that last line stops the scale from being reasonable as that is the age range where you would most likely to use such a metric. 23-30 you can kind use it but at that point I would just use an age difference/life experience difference instead.[/QUOTE]
I think Gusto means because in that age range, if there is sex involved, its illegal.
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Age of consent in Canada is 16. No illegal.[/QUOTE]
I'm actualy aware of that, but in many of the States it would be. Granted, Scott PIlgrim takes place in Toronto, but I thought we had just gotten entirely derailed and weren't even talking about that anymore.
On that note, lets get back on topic. This movie rocked.
This is opening weekend in the UK, where Edgar Wright is more well known than over here. Think this'll be a good weekend for it?
Yeah, I know a bunch of my English friends have been itching to go and see it. I actually turned a bunch of them onto it thanks to the game that came out on PS3 and the comics.
Oh, I was mistaken. The UK release is not this weekend. Its on the 25th, apparently.
For all of those crowing about its staying power and the magical strength of word of mouth, Scott Pilgrim's Friday was over 60% down from the opening, which is a huge drop on par with Gigli.
*crosses his fingers for strong DVD sales and/or British ticket sales*
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Philosopher B.
*Shoots self*
So alone...
Look, there wasn't going to be a sequel really. And yes, it does mean there's much less chance of more movies like Scott Pilgrim. That's true. BUT we still have the movie Scott Pilgrim, and be thankful it's in theaters for another week (at most, woof) and you can go see it and love the shit out of it no matter how many other people had no interest in it.
I thought I said that a couple pages ago.
Granted, I hadn't seen the movie then, but it's still true!
I'm looking forward to listening to the DVD commentary around the winter.
Granted, I hadn't seen the movie then, but it's still true!
I'm looking forward to listening to the DVD commentary around the winter.
Meh... Scott Pilgrim could turn out to be one of those films that gets vindicated one Cable, Like The Shawshank Redemption. Even if it doesn't, how many indie comics out there do you think need a movie?
- The Walking Dead: Already getting a TV series by AMC. No movie required.
- Chew: I don't see how they'd ever get past the cannibal issue without going full-on Black Comedy. Even then, this would be better portrayed as a comedic Police Procedural TV series than a short, 2 hour movie.
What other great indie series are there?
- The Walking Dead: Already getting a TV series by AMC. No movie required.
- Chew: I don't see how they'd ever get past the cannibal issue without going full-on Black Comedy. Even then, this would be better portrayed as a comedic Police Procedural TV series than a short, 2 hour movie.
What other great indie series are there?
Chew is meant to be a black comedy. It's hardly police procedural at all when his partner has a bionic eye that can hack into any database.
Y: The Last Man and Invincible were optioned, but I've heard nothing about either for ages.
The sad thing is that with Kick-Ass and Pilgrim's lack of success, it means studios are going to chance it on lesser-known comic book properties. I just don't understand why Pilgirm's not doing well. It's a great movie for teens, gamers, etc. Expendables, much to my dismay, destroyed it. Ditto for Eat Pray Love, but that's a totally different audience. Most everyone who has seen it have loved it. It's gotten great reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, far surpassing Expendables.
So yeah, I'm really, really, really hoping it does well on video. A movie this good deserves at least some success.
Y: The Last Man and Invincible were optioned, but I've heard nothing about either for ages.
The sad thing is that with Kick-Ass and Pilgrim's lack of success, it means studios are going to chance it on lesser-known comic book properties. I just don't understand why Pilgirm's not doing well. It's a great movie for teens, gamers, etc. Expendables, much to my dismay, destroyed it. Ditto for Eat Pray Love, but that's a totally different audience. Most everyone who has seen it have loved it. It's gotten great reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, far surpassing Expendables.
So yeah, I'm really, really, really hoping it does well on video. A movie this good deserves at least some success.
I've heard complaining about the love story actually, from people who pretty much missed the point and should've seen the Julie Roberts movie instead.
Michael Cera. People are convinced that he can only act like himself and that therefore if he's in a movie, he's acting like that same character again. They don't want to see that.
Even though that's not the case, Scott Pilgrim is a slight departure and he does well with it. But that's the main reason. He can't carry a movie as a star. What he needs is a supporting role, that is a large departure from his usual shtick, to show off his chops. That's the only way he's going to break out of his current public perception.
And personally, I wouldn't care if he DID do the same shtick every time. He does it well.
See, the problem with Michael Sera as Scott Pilgrim is simple: Who else would YOU pick for it? I can't really think of anyone else.
Anton Yelchin (sp?); aka, Chekov from the new Star Trek?
Cera.
Oh I think the casting was perfectly fine. But much of the general population seems to have it in for him. I really feel like that's the main reason people are staying away. But I don't blame that on Cera or Edgar Wright's casting choices, the public is just stupid and quick to judge.
People underestimate actors based on their past roles. Especially comedians.
"Jim Carrey only ever does rubber faced, broad comedy, he could never pull off a serious role!" (prior to Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind)
"Robin Williams only ever does dirty jokes! He could never pull off a family movie!" (Followed by Robin Williams only ever does family comedies! He could never pull off a serious role, prior to Insomnia and One Hour Photo)
Rodney Dangerfield, Tom Hanks, Bill Murray,etc, etc etc.
It takes a REALLY broad change in direction to garner attention though. Scott Pilgrim is definitely a departure and I think he did fine. But I don't think the general public perception of "Really, Michael Cera's palying George Michael Bluth in another movie?!" is going to change for a while.
*EDIT* actually, it all makes me think of the "I didn't do it" episode of the Simpsons. Comedians develop a public persona/ act/ shtick, whatever you want to call it, and if its funny people want to see it, and they don't want to see them do anything else. And then eventually, suddenly, like a switch goes off, all of a sudden it becomes "is this really all you can do?" and suddenly its not popular anymore.
Michael Cera has reached that point with the majority of the film going audience.
"Woozle wazzle" indeed, Bart. "Woozle wazzle" indeed.
I don't think Cera strayed too far from his usual schtick, to be honest. Some of it was a departure, yeah, but not for the most part. I don't know if I would put him in the same category of comedians as the others you listed. I would barely put him in the category of comedian in the first place.
You're right, though, Checkster. Public opinion can change pretty quick, depending on the actor. I would go out on a limb and say Carrey made a believer out of me with The Truman Show, before Eternal Sunshine knocked it out of the park.
Sometimes, though, it's a gradual winning over the public. For example, Leonardo Dicaprio. Hated by anyone over the age of 16 (especially non-female teens) after Titanic, but now? Goddamn, that guy's impervious to a bad movie.
You're right, though, Checkster. Public opinion can change pretty quick, depending on the actor. I would go out on a limb and say Carrey made a believer out of me with The Truman Show, before Eternal Sunshine knocked it out of the park.
Sometimes, though, it's a gradual winning over the public. For example, Leonardo Dicaprio. Hated by anyone over the age of 16 (especially non-female teens) after Titanic, but now? Goddamn, that guy's impervious to a bad movie.
No it wasn't a huge departure. The action sequences were the biggest departure, but the character of Scott is SLIGHTLY differet. And I'm by no means he's saying he is a comedian or an actor of the Calibre of anyone listed, but using those people of examples of the public mentality regarding comedic actors, as they're very obvious and easy to understand examples of what I'm talking about.
Also, yeah some people were probably convinced by the Tuman Show, but I think it was Spotless Mind that really changed things. Same with Robin Williams, if you look at Bicentennial Man or even Jack, he was changing his career's direction for a while before Insomnia and One Hour Photo. I seem to remember reading that he ALWAYS wanted to do serious drama, actually.
DiCaprio had me convinced after Gangs of New York, even though his accent in that movie was atrocious. But I was referring specifically to comedic actors, who I think get it the harshest.
A more recent example would be Will Ferrel, who was on top of Comedy Mountain after Old School and Anchorman, and then his audience response kind of fell off for quite a bit afterwards with Bewitched, Kicking and Screaming, Semi- Pro, Blades of Steel and Land of the Lost. Even Step Brothers and Talladega Nights as I recall weren't as well received, though I think Talladega might have done well financially... I'm actually glad The Other Guys seems to be doing pretty well.
See, I'm not a big fan of Ferrell, but one of my favourite movies of all time is Stranger Than Fiction. He made a believer out of me, there.
The funny (see what I did there?) thing about comedians is I honestly never assume they can't do drama. An actor friend of mine said that one of the hardest things to do in acting is comedy. It's nost just a matter of delievering the lines with a particular emotion, but there's a timing to that needs to be flawless for the comedy falls flat. It's no surprise to me that some of the best actors out there started in comedy. Or in the same vein, some of the best serious actors who try their hand at comedy wind up being awesome. DeNiro, Morgan Freeman, or George Clooney (who is starting to win me over more and more) for example.
The funny (see what I did there?) thing about comedians is I honestly never assume they can't do drama. An actor friend of mine said that one of the hardest things to do in acting is comedy. It's nost just a matter of delievering the lines with a particular emotion, but there's a timing to that needs to be flawless for the comedy falls flat. It's no surprise to me that some of the best actors out there started in comedy. Or in the same vein, some of the best serious actors who try their hand at comedy wind up being awesome. DeNiro, Morgan Freeman, or George Clooney (who is starting to win me over more and more) for example.
I would definitely agree with that. I think people ASSUME comedy is very easy. We associate feeling better with a more carefree, easy job. Which is weird, because everyone knows what its like to try to tell a joke a friend told you and have it be nowhere near as funny, or describe a stand up comedian's routine and have to add a disclaimer when no one laughs and tell them "Its really more HOW they said it". It is definitely all about the timing.
But its also why you don't see comedy films up for any Oscars ever, even though I think most people would tell you their favourite films are often comedies. The truth is, making people feel BAD is way easier.
Any time a comedian tries a serious role, I always have to tell certain people to shut up and give them a chance. But I didn't necessarily mean comedians switching to dramatic acting either, I just meant that mentality switch from "No no, don't do that, just do this!" to "is this ALL you can do?", which to reiterate and bring it back to the thread topic, I think is why people aren't diggin' on Michael Cera as Scott Pilgrim.
But its also why you don't see comedy films up for any Oscars ever, even though I think most people would tell you their favourite films are often comedies. The truth is, making people feel BAD is way easier.
Any time a comedian tries a serious role, I always have to tell certain people to shut up and give them a chance. But I didn't necessarily mean comedians switching to dramatic acting either, I just meant that mentality switch from "No no, don't do that, just do this!" to "is this ALL you can do?", which to reiterate and bring it back to the thread topic, I think is why people aren't diggin' on Michael Cera as Scott Pilgrim.
Step Brothers was a huge financial success, especially for a hard-R comedy.
I really don't think the success/failure of the movie had anything to do with Scott Pilgrim. It mostly failed because the movie was just really weird, released in a strange spot, and had no star power compared to everything else.
I really don't think the success/failure of the movie had anything to do with Scott Pilgrim. It mostly failed because the movie was just really weird, released in a strange spot, and had no star power compared to everything else.
Step Brothers was a hard R? Really? I need to watch it again. I know the Canadian ratings are much softer than the American ones, but still. I don't remember it being that raunchy.
Hmm, looked it up on BOM and you are correct about its numbers. Actually very successful. So that is a poor example of what I was talking about, but I think overall the trend still shows.
That it was that successful is a serious shock to me, because the only people I know who have seen Step Brothers are the people *I've* showed it too.
Honestly, all they had to do was make this a mid-September release and it would have done VERY well. It would have beat the Halloween Monster Mash and November Family/Seasonal Films, as well as waited out the Summer blockbusters.
Honestly, all they had to do was make this a mid-September release and it would have done VERY well. It would have beat the Halloween Monster Mash and November Family/Seasonal Films, as well as waited out the Summer blockbusters.[/QUOTE]
Its a combination of things, for sure. And its release time is probably the biggest reason, I think you're both onto something there. But I think the question is regarding the current situation, why aren't people seeing it. Not why isn't it doing so well, but why aren't people seeing it.
But yeah, I just looked up movie releases for the rest of 2010 and honestly from here until Jackass 3D and RED, there's nothing that interests me. And from there its a dry spell until Tron Legacy comes out.
Err, I meant to say because of Michael Cera. That's glowing praise that I just kind of assumed it was him.
No, it's cool. Chill out. It's like in Trainspotting.[/QUOTE]
IMDB says Ellen Wong (actress playing Knives) is 25 and Michael Cera (playing Scott Pilgrim) is 22 or 23.
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