How to Train Your Dragon (is an awesome movie. Click for eventual spoilers)

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Edit: Eventually there will be spoilers in this thread. That point will be marked by a giant capitalized statement saying "WARNING: SPOILERS AHEAD!!!" but it was recommended that I include this warning to, presumably for people too lazy to read through a thread.

Just saw this movie. It was good. You should see it too. The plot surrounds a village of dragon-slaying vikings and a young nerdy kid named Hiccup who ends up befriending and training a dragon. It's a very funny and smart movie, with very good use of 3D and effects that manage to be adorable and awesome at the same time.

Things I liked, in particular (minor spoilers) :

1. The movie as a whole is very smart. A lot of movies (kids movies in particular) have nerdy main characters. What we DON'T see all that often is nerds getting to ACTUALLY be smart, as opposed to having their smartness faked via technobabble ("if we adjust the phase emitter we can increase the power of the shields and save the day wooo!!!!"). I'm not sure the devices that Hiccup makes would actually work but a lot of thought was clearly put into how they might work and I found them totally believable. We really get the sense that not just anyone could have did what Hiccup did, and what he did took time and intellect to study and prepare. I love that Toothless couldn't fly straight with an injured tail, and that they not only had to make a fake tail but build a device to change the position and then learn how to work together to operate it.

2. The two headed dragon was particularly neat. It actually works the way I always thought dragons probably should (breathing flamable gas and creating a spark to ignite it). And seeing the twins flying on it at the end was funny.

3. Having Hiccup lose his leg at the end was pretty neat. The friend I saw it with didn't like seeing a kid in a movie lose a leg, but I thought it was a very good way to to introduce children to the fact that going into war is going to have consequences without having to actually kill off a main character to showcase it. And it had a very nice symmetry - the dragon loses his tail at the beginning and Hiccup helps him recover, and then Hiccup loses a leg and needs the dragon's help to walk at the end. I've been reading some blogs on the portrayal of handicapped people in movies and this film definitely had some good stuff in that regard.

4. I think this is the first 3D movie where I felt that the 3D was worth paying extra for. A lot of scenes in the beginning actively used 3D to emphasize facial expressions which enhanced the emotional impact of the scene rather than distracting from it. I was still a little disappointed that the big epic scenes near the end did not use the 3D to its full extent. It basically was "realistic", which is okay I guess but I for one miss the 3D where stuff actually jumped out at you. The giant canyons and the huge dragon both could have used some exaggerated perspective to emphasize how huge they are. Still, I found the 3D worth the money I paid extra, more so than I did for Avatar or Alice.

5. Minor quibble on a related note: I like that the girlfriend character gets to be a badass, but honestly we've come far enough that that's a cliché unto itself. I didn't like that despite that, she essentially is a background setpiece for the main character's benefit, with no particular arc of her own. She spent most of her life trying to be the best dragonslayer in her class, and suddenly the entire dragonslaying occupation becomes meaningless. Granted, everyone then gets to ride dragons all the time, which is really frickin' sweet, but still, it'd have been nice to see how she dealt with that. Also, having a job in the climax other than to stand around and be supportive of the protagonist. (In isolation, I don't think the movie was all that bad in the feminist-regard, but overall the "scripts-are-clearly-written-with-male-biases" is still enough an issue in Hollywood that I feel obligated to point it out when it happens).

6. And then on the other hand... "Here son, wear your Mom's left boob on your head. Now we have a matching set!" LOL!
 
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What on earth would that be a euphemism for?
In the past twelve hours I have tried numerous times to think of an adequate response to this, and every time I just start laughing instead.
 
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This was a great movie, but I was pissed because AMC raised movie ticket prices a shit load since last week, which made me mad as hell. (Seriously, an adult ticket went from $10 ->$13 and a child's ticket from $8-> $10 since my son and I went to see Diary of a Wimpy Kid last week, and yes I'm talking 2d pricing. -_-)

Well, and saying it was based on the book was completely untrue beyond borrowing names, but I'm going to pretend that I didn't see the "based on the book" blurb in the movie credits, and that makes me happy. ;)
 
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I saw it at a locally owned theatre. Normal 3D prices I think were $9.50, but I had a bunch of prepaid tickets that ended up costing about $6.
 

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Looks delightful. Jake wants to see it this weekend. Hopefully we will.

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I saw it in 3D so I had to spend $14 here. Sometimes it sucks living in Hawaii.
Yes, but beaches. Beaches and large, pale tourists!
 
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Try to go on days you think something will break. We went to AMC opening weekend of Alice in Wonderland and the projector broke. We got free passes for the next time we went, and got to see a later Alice showing from our ticket stubs, so next trip to the movies is free.
 
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Just saw it today and I thoroughly enjoyed pretty much every minute of it, which doesn't happen in a lot of movies (Alice in Wonderland included.). So when I can walk out of a movie that makes me feel fantastic, I know it was money well spent.
As mentioned before the movie IS smart. Over a montage sequence you get to watch Hiccup figure adjust the flight gear until it works properly, showing it as a process rather than the cliche of "getting it right the first time." His handicap at the end is a nice touch in that "it fits so well" kind of way. Now both he and the dragon need each other.

Plot wise I'd say it's pretty tight with some minor holes. It seems unlikely that three hundred years would go by without at least ONE viking figuring out some of the Dragon's less violent weaknesses such as the love of grass or the ticklish spots. They have apparently been keeping some in cages for training purposes, so they clearly have a lot of hands on time with them.


On the subject of money spent, I paid $12 for my ticket. Which is actually pretty low considering we went one of the fancier theaters we have here in L.A. (Bar in the lobby, plush stadium seats, maximum of three trailers before the film). It was a non 3D screening, which probably explains the "cheapness" of the ticket. Alice in Wonderland 3D at an AMC on opening day cost a whopping $16 a ticket. And that wasn't even IMAX! I didn't even realize this until I got home and checked my receipt (What can I say? I'm a trusting guy.)
 
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What a fucking amazing movie. I've said before that Pixar can do no wrong, but Dreamworks is catching up.

Regarding the girlfriend character, I understand the complaints now. She managed to do an about-face pretty quickly with seemingly no struggle.

The only gripe I can add to this thread is at the end when the vikings-in-training all managed to hop onto their dragons and take off immediately. It took Hiccup presumably weeks to sort everything out with Toothless, and even if he managed to form an encyclopedic knowledge of dragons in that time, it somehow seems to cheapen the accomplishment when all it takes is convincing the dumb jock to touch a dragon on the nose for the two to form a bond and take flight.

Losing the leg was a fantastic touch, which helped to ground the movie which would otherwise have a pretty flowery ending. It was also cool, because it sort of enforced a bond between Hiccup and the smith who was his mentor for so long.
 
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Since this is my thread, I am now declaring that we can talk about stuff without constantly spoiler-guarding everything.

SPOILERS AHOY!!!! IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THIS YET IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE DUMB!!! SO GO SEE IT ALREADY AND THEN COME BACK HERE AND TALK ABOUT HOW AWESOME IT IS WITH US, EXCEPT FOR THE PARTS THAT ARE SLIGHTLY LESS THAN AWESOME.

The only gripe I can add to this thread is at the end when the vikings-in-training all managed to hop onto their dragons and take off immediately. It took Hiccup presumably weeks to sort everything out with Toothless, and even if he managed to form an encyclopedic knowledge of dragons in that time, it somehow seems to cheapen the accomplishment when all it takes is convincing the dumb jock to touch a dragon on the nose for the two to form a bond and take flight.
This did bother me. It still does. BUT I changed my tune a little when I realized that training the other dragons didn't happen in 5 minutes, it actually happened pretty much in the same amount of time that Toothless took to train, because Hiccup had been essentially training all the dragons at once, acclimating them to the idea that humans could be friendly. (The movie also implies that being friendly and playful is the dragons' natural tendency, so Hiccup is working with their natural psychology rather than fighting against it. Granted, they had been abused enough by the other children that that shouldn't have really worked, but it's not that far out there).

They didn't all get the same level of bond that exists between Hiccup and Toothless, but they could conceivably have been okay with playing with the human children under Hiccup's guidance, and then once they realized they were going up against the big mondo dragon that had them all scared in the first place, it's not out of the question for them to have been down with that as well.

Great explanation? No, but not as bad as the movie makes it seem at first glance.
 
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I was thinking my giant big bold capitalized statement declaring that there were spoilers from hereon out would sort of have a similar effect.
 
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It was also cool, because it sort of enforced a bond between Hiccup and the smith who was his mentor for so long.
I was so busy looking at the symmetry and bond-intensifyingness between Hiccup and Toothless that I didn't even notice that. Good point.
 
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edzepp

The biggest compliment I can pay this movie is that I actually want to see it again in theaters. I haven't even done that for a Pixar movie.

Of course, this is partly because I didn't get to see it in 3D the first time. But also because it's a damn good movie.

Hiccup losing his leg at the end genuinely surprised me, mostly because I didn't think they'd actually go there. But it works really well in the context of the story.
 

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It was a great way to end it. That little moment when they're walking together out of the house at the end brought a tear to my eye. Toothless's damaged tail swishes around alongside Hiccup and his new prosthetic leg... it was touching.
 
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It was a wonderful way to portray how much they really need each other. It only occurred to me after the movie, oddly enough.
 
Something else I noticed/had-pointed-out-to-me the second time through (I watched it again this saturday)

1) The way Hiccup kills the super-dragon at the end is by waiting for it to fill it's mouth with flammable gas, then breathing into it. I knew this was foreshadowed when Hiccup burps into the little dragon on the beach (you could tell that sooner or later that was going to come back as a strategy), but they also do a fairly clever bit of foreshadowing with the Zippleback. By splitting the dragon breath into to heads, they create a funny but important bit of information on how dragon-breath actually works, so when the final fight happens it doesn't just come of nowhere. They could have explained it with a normal dragon but it would have felt a little more forced and unnecessary "Ok, so... they breath gas and then spark it? Great, why do we care?"

2) The kids jumping on the dragons at the end actually makes even more sense than I thought, when you consider that with the possible exception of Astrid (who rode with Hiccup anyway), this particular group of kids has NEVER actually been all that threatening to the dragons. As far as the dragons know, the entire thing was more like playing cat-and-mouse. So they wouldn't necessarily be treating the kids like hostile warriors, but rather silly playmates. This makes it a lot more plausible for them to accept them as riders.
 
I just loved this movie.

It didn't hurt that the local theater has $6 all day Tuesdays, even for the 3D films.

I wasn't too enthused until I read Howard Taylor's review - then I had to spend the day reading about the monomyth, and trying to go see the movie.

The movie really just resonates so well, and it's put together so well. Definitely in the class of "kids movies that are as enjoyable for adults as they are for kids"

But yeah, the loss of the leg was surprising, hilarious, and tied the whole thing up in a bow - the knowledge he gained required a sacrifice.

I want to see it again (and I suppose I'll take the kids this time too... if I must... I guess...)
 
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