Joining The Military

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crono1224

I am considering joining a branch of the military, and I was hoping for a tad bit of advice regarding it.

First of all my main two choices are Army and Air Force. I choose these two cause I'm not really nautically inclined, and the marines seems a tad too intense for me, so the

questions are.

1) First which do you think are the pros/cons of each branch?

2) What are the requirements for enlisting in either, and what is the difficulty getting in getting into either of them?

3) I am married how does this effect (affect?), me joining, if at all?
A> Do they get to travel when I am deployed somewhere else, IE is there a housing fund or something?
B> What other things are done if anything is different.

4) Am I able to choose where I do basic, or where I am stationed? (Assuming there is a base).

P.S. I am unsure of career wise what I want to do.

*There maybe more questions I just can't think of at this time.
 

Dave

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Air Force unless you want to be on the ground in a war zone. Air Force is easier and has better food/housing.
 
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crono1224

Air Force unless you want to be on the ground in a war zone. Air Force is easier and has better food/housing.
Weird question but do you think there is any... mm respect differences between the branches? In terms of one being lesser than the rest (not that it is a factor just curious).
 

Dave

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The army tends to be a bit more blue collar than the air force. The air force doesn't usually get too dirty and tends to blow shit up from a distance.

The army, though...Digging ditches builds character.
 
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crono1224

Thanks, wasn't sure if anyone from the Air Force could give me any tips about it either.
 
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Wasabi Poptart

3) I am married how does this effect (affect?), me joining, if at all?
A> Do they get to travel when I am deployed somewhere else, IE is there a housing fund or something?
Being married should only effect you joining if your spouse doesn't want you to join or doesn't think she could handle the lifestyle changes (like deployments, not being able to put your family first, etc.).
I'm not sure what you mean about your family traveling if you are deployed elsewhere. Your family would be able to live in housing on or near the base where you're stationed. You get a basic allowance for housing (BAH) in your pay. If you're in military housing, it gets taken right out of your check to pay for your rent, water/sewage, garbage pick up, and electricity. It's like you really don't get the money, though there are some housing areas that charge less than BAH so you do get some of it back. You could also opt to live off base or "out in town". You still get the housing allowance, but you're totally in charge of paying your own rent and utilities. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. We lived in housing when we first came to San Diego, but moved out to a regular rental after a couple of years because we had shitty neighbors.
When you're deployed, you would still be stationed wherever your command is based out of and your family would still live there. For instance, if you were stationed at a base in Texas then got deployed to the Gulf your family wouldn't have to move away because you're deployed. You're still stationed in Texas until you get orders to go to a different base (and then your family would normally go with you). Some spouses choose to go "home" while their husbands are deployed, though, so they can be closer to family. I'm not sure if the housing management has to be notified that they would be gone or if it varies from branch to branch. When my husband deployed when we were first married, I went to visit with my parents for 2 weeks and came back to CA. After that I decided it wasn't worth the hassle (my parents are never home, so I spent most of the time alone in their house rather than alone in my own house).
 
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crono1224

3) I am married how does this effect (affect?), me joining, if at all?
A> Do they get to travel when I am deployed somewhere else, IE is there a housing fund or something?
Being married should only effect you joining if your spouse doesn't want you to join or doesn't think she could handle the lifestyle changes (like deployments, not being able to put your family first, etc.).
I'm not sure what you mean about your family traveling if you are deployed elsewhere. Your family would be able to live in housing on or near the base where you're stationed. You get a basic allowance for housing (BAH) in your pay. If you're in military housing, it gets taken right out of your check to pay for your rent, water/sewage, garbage pick up, and electricity. It's like you really don't get the money, though there are some housing areas that charge less than BAH so you do get some of it back. You could also opt to live off base or "out in town". You still get the housing allowance, but you're totally in charge of paying your own rent and utilities. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. We lived in housing when we first came to San Diego, but moved out to a regular rental after a couple of years because we had shitty neighbors.
When you're deployed, you would still be stationed wherever your command is based out of and your family would still live there. For instance, if you were stationed at a base in Texas then got deployed to the Gulf your family wouldn't have to move away because you're deployed. You're still stationed in Texas until you get orders to go to a different base (and then your family would normally go with you). Some spouses choose to go "home" while their husbands are deployed, though, so they can be closer to family. I'm not sure if the housing management has to be notified that they would be gone or if it varies from branch to branch. When my husband deployed when we were first married, I went to visit with my parents for 2 weeks and came back to CA. After that I decided it wasn't worth the hassle (my parents are never home, so I spent most of the time alone in their house rather than alone in my own house).
Ah, I just wasn't sure how everything factored in and was curious as to what would happen if I was stationed out of state or deployed to another country or what not. How much is the BAH, such as does it easily cover rent if you do 'live in town'?
Also what branch is your husband in?
 
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Wasabi Poptart

He's Navy. He's been in for 15 years, but we've been married for 6 years.
The BAH amount depends on your rank and whether or not you have dependents (your wife counts). The dependent amount of BAH is the same if you have just 1 dependent or if you have 10 dependents. You should be able to look up the BAH chart online to get an idea of the amount. That is in addition to your base pay. You should be able to find a base pay chart online, too. The highest rank you could start off as is an E-3 (and this might have changed, so just use it as an estimate of the highest pay you could make). Whether or not you're going to find something affordable if you choose to go with a regular rental is going to depend on where you live and how big of a place you're going to need. I know in Navy housing, they only have up to 4 bedrooms, so if you have more than 3 kids you may need to look into renting in town. We got lucky and found a townhouse for rent that is less than our BAH. There is a site (AHRN.com) that deals specifically with military friendly rentals and has a search feature for rentals within your BAH amount. I found it helpful when I was looking to get us out of housing.
 
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crono1224

He's Navy. He's been in for 15 years, but we've been married for 6 years.
The BAH amount depends on your rank and whether or not you have dependents (your wife counts). The dependent amount of BAH is the same if you have just 1 dependent or if you have 10 dependents. You should be able to look up the BAH chart online to get an idea of the amount. That is in addition to your base pay. You should be able to find a base pay chart online, too. The highest rank you could start off as is an E-3 (and this might have changed, so just use it as an estimate of the highest pay you could make). Whether or not you're going to find something affordable if you choose to go with a regular rental is going to depend on where you live and how big of a place you're going to need. I know in Navy housing, they only have up to 4 bedrooms, so if you have more than 3 kids you may need to look into renting in town. We got lucky and found a townhouse for rent that is less than our BAH. There is a site (AHRN.com) that deals specifically with military friendly rentals and has a search feature for rentals within your BAH amount. I found it helpful when I was looking to get us out of housing.
It would be just me and my wife, so not many bedrooms are needed, thanks for the tips :).
 
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Wasabi Poptart

I nearly forgot that BAH also varies according to where you're stationed or living. When you look at the chart, you'll see it goes by state and zip code.
 
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Dusty668

I really enjoyed my time in the Army, and while there was some ditch digging (for crawling into and shooting out of, dirt is a great bullet stopper.) It was mainly a 9-5 job for me, but I had a communications specialty. Your job in any branch of the service will determine more than anything how much digging/manual labor you do. I enjoyed being in the woods, still do, so for me training exercises were actually quite pleasant, if a hell of lot of hard work and next to no sleep. At the time though we were training for fighting Ivan the Russki, the current training emphasis for desert combat, not sure how I'd feel.

I wasn't married in the Army, but I did talk with many spouses when visiting off base and such. The hardest thing for the spouse to get used to, is a lack of control they feel over their own lives because of their spouse's job/career. Uncle Sugar says go, and the spouse is gone, forget whatever plans you may have whether it's for a family get together, vacation, or a career move to a nearby town-they are suddenly having to deal with it alone with their best friend gone and in harms way.

As for recruitment restrictions requirements, etc. best stop is a recruiter and the ASVAB test. This test will be the main decider on what job paths are open to you, next followed by physical limitations (such as color blindness-something I didn't know I had). I had great mechanical, spatial, communications scores, but a just above minimum mathematics score. Still my choices were pretty much wide open.

So at this point the recruiter lied to me and I got screwed. Now I have to admit, I helped. I helped a lot. I did not research my career choice. I passed up jobs that would have helped me in the then nascent networking field, general electronics work, or even satellite communications. I believed him when he said all forms of communications in the army were state of the art, and would help me for decades after leaving. So I became a 31c10-Radio Teletype Operator.

Had I known that I was basically someone that types messages sent from one location to another over an AM radio, something that was done much better and cheaper by a Fax machine I would have picked a wiredog position, field radio repair, or pretty much anything else. A recruiter gets bonuses for filling hard to fill slots, like this one would be. It had no promotion points assigned for it's higher enlistment levels, and very few training classes. It was a job that is being phased out. So the promotion points for my field were always 999-an impossible to reach figure. To ever make Sergeant, I would have to change jobs in the army, go back to AIT and learn a new field. This is not difficult to do, I just did not want to do it. Protip: Ask to compare promotion points to E5-Sergeant on any job fields you may consider these will change as openings in the field change, they are not set in stone.

Basic training for the army is held in several TRADOC command posts in the US. I think the Air Force only has one specific place. Your wife should not expect to follow you to them. It's a short time (2-2 1/2 months) and they would only get to see you on graduation day anyhow. This looks like a good article. I read through the Army basic Training section, and it fits quite well whith what I remember/saw. "Next to Marine Corps Boot Camp, Army Basic Training is the most physically intensive. If you are not physically active, you'll want to start preparing yourself a couple of months before leaving for basic training. Concentrate on running (both sprints and distance), push-ups, and sit-ups." You will have little time to write home, but every letter you get from outside will be worth more than jewels and gold.

You should both expect your thinking to change, no matter what service while in basic and advanced training.

You should both expect the way you think to change no matter what branch of service you enter, during basic and advanced training.

Yes I put the same point in twice, it's very important to both of you. Basic training is a form of mental indoctrination. This is deliberate, and specifically done for many reasons, trainers for the military have done this for a long time, and are very good at it.

You need to learn to think the (Air force/Army) way. Zero tolerance for "good nuff" thinking-go to a get it perfect the first time. This is to save your life and the lives of your teammates. How does folding your sox a certain way save your life? It gets you into the habit of doing things right the first time every time. A missed bolt can with a little help from murphy can deadline a plane or a track, a scrap of paper on the ground can give away a concealed fighting position and invite lots of high caliber death. Another reason for doing this is to get the teamwork frame of mind, the group can work in coordination, and multiply it's effectiveness. This is one of the main points for what this does, imagine one of those office team building jaunts on radioactive steroids. For the Army, if you were walking around town and suddenly heard a lot of shots being fired, would you move toward or away from the shooting? Yah, they change that.

Since your way of thinking changes, you will react to things differently, and yes, your wife will feel this. Discuss!
 
Also, it should be clear that almost any branch involves you giving up your freedom, and they can do anything with you that they choose no matter what they may tell you. If you sign up to be some technician behind lines, you could be in a desert anytime they choose. And as far as time spent, I have heard lots of people getting their tours of duty extended beyond what they signed up for. Just in a nutshell, if you join the military, you're handing your ass over to an institution that will use you as a piece on their chessboard.
 
The army tends to be a bit more blue collar than the air force. The air force doesn't usually get too dirty and tends to blow shit up from a distance.

The army, though...Digging ditches builds character.
This is becoming less true with all of the Mideast stuff we're doing these days. When Calli's son joined the air force, I was surprised to learn that like 65% of recruits are for security forces to do base guard duty and stuff.
 
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Wasabi Poptart

The hardest thing for the spouse to get used to, is a lack of control they feel over their own lives because of their spouse's job/career. Uncle Sugar says go, and the spouse is gone, forget whatever plans you may have whether it's for a family get together, vacation, or a career move to a nearby town-they are suddenly having to deal with it alone with their best friend gone and in harms way.
There is a saying among military spouses and SOs that I learned even before Mr. Wasabi and I were married - "Plan in pencil". You cannot make definite plans because they are guaranteed to be ruined by the military.
 
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crono1224

Thanks for all the tips, sadly I can't think of any more questions currently :/.
 
Above all else, make sure that if your recruiter tells you that you're getting something, GET IT IN WRITING. If you have a contract that says you are signing up for underwater basket-weaving, make sure that's the contract that you sign.

Beware such phrases as "open contract" - that makes you a peg that will fill whatever hole they want you in.

I would advise the Air Force over the Army, simply because the Air Force is, on the whole, a more comfortable experience, with better technical training. If you want to go a bit more gung-ho, as a Marine I have a LOT of respect for their Security Forces MOS: bear in mind that the higher-end of this MOS is responsible for guarding our country's nuclear weapons supply. Just sayin'.

If you can get something with some technical training, see if it's something that can be applied to the civilian world. A lot more jobs are looking at military experience over degrees. Of course, if you can get BOTH, then that's all to the better...
 
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crono1224

One more thing for the people who have served. Would you recommend it, and would you do it again?
 
Most emphatically, yes. The only thing I would have done differently would be to have gone active duty from the start, rather than piddle around with the reserves, and volunteer for various duties. Sounds like a good idea, really is not.

Then again, my career route led me to my wife, so I can't complain OVERLY much. *grins*
 
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Wasabi Poptart

My husband said he would have done something else. However, this is the only job he has had since he was 17 years old. My father, who was also in the Navy but only served his 4 year contract and got out, would tell you it was the best thing he ever did.
 
One more thing for the people who have served. Would you recommend it, and would you do it again?
Yes, the only reason I "got" out was that I got caught in a three-way (get your mind out of the gutter) bad luck situation, changing job code (basic job was changing around the Air Force and less people needed to run it), base closure act (my base was in the second round...) and at the end of my first enlistment. Three strikes, I went home.
 
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crono1224

One more thing for the people who have served. Would you recommend it, and would you do it again?
Yes, the only reason I "got" out was that I got caught in a three-way (get your mind out of the gutter) bad luck situation, changing job code (basic job was changing around the Air Force and less people needed to run it), base closure act (my base was in the second round...) and at the end of my first enlistment. Three strikes, I went home.[/QUOTE]

You couldn't reenlist or you just didn't feel like it because of all those factors combining?


Also I'm not sure if there is a certain mentality or maybe general type of people in the military but would i fit in well as a fairly liberal agnostic/atheist(strange statement i know).
 
Sparhawk;395730 said:
One more thing for the people who have served. Would you recommend it, and would you do it again?
Yes, the only reason I "got" out was that I got caught in a three-way (get your mind out of the gutter) bad luck situation, changing job code (basic job was changing around the Air Force and less people needed to run it), base closure act (my base was in the second round...) and at the end of my first enlistment. Three strikes, I went home.
You couldn't reenlist or you just didn't feel like it because of all those factors combining?
Basically couldn't re-enlists due to the changes and that my position was considered expendable. I also, since I was being forced out, negotiated that I wouldn't serve any time in the reserves, since if I did get called back up it would be open season on being placed ANYWHERE that they needed a body and I wasn't taking chances of being in a real shitty job and stuck in the desert during Operation Desert Shield/Enduring Freedom.

Also I'm not sure if there is a certain mentality or maybe general type of people in the military but would i fit in well as a fairly liberal agnostic/atheist(strange statement i know).
Like what has been said before, your attitudes and thinking will change. So don't expect to be unchanged. I personally think that more people in the military are of a more conservative bend because you are dealing more directly with the basic notion of this country, freedom, and being willing to follow legal orders to uphold that freedom.
 
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Dusty668

Also, it should be clear that almost any branch involves you giving up your freedom, and they can do anything with you that they choose no matter what they may tell you. If you sign up to be some technician behind lines, you could be in a desert anytime they choose. And as far as time spent, I have heard lots of people getting their tours of duty extended beyond what they signed up for. Just in a nutshell, if you join the military, you're handing your ass over to an institution that will use you as a piece on their chessboard.
Yes, this is correct, the military is the dictatorship that protects the freedoms. They will tell you and show you in the contracts where this can and may happen. These are not hidden things. Anyone who says it is did not pay any attention during their first two weeks in training.

You will be expected to follow any order that is not illegal, and to actively refuse/combat someone who gives one. You will be authorized to use deadly force to prevent the commission of a felony.
Also I'm not sure if there is a certain mentality or maybe general type of people in the military but would i fit in well as a fairly liberal agnostic/atheist(strange statement i know).
You will become more comfortable with using weapons and force in general, due to the training that shows you not only how to use it properly, but also tells you when and how it is legal to do so. I never had any issues, No one ever forced anything on me, and I am quite agnostic. I was liberal because I was a huge SF fan, and my way of thinking became more libertarian.

There were many in the military that are quite religious, not just christians but many pagan followers as well especially Nordic faiths, but by and large the population will be young men and women just like a college campus. On your day of worship a religious leader will be made available to you for the time of worship, and then you get your butt back to the barracks and get to cleaning during training. After training, it would be like any office situation, if your boss is a big church goer, you nod politely, make necessary noises and change the subject. Granted the platoon sergeant I had that worshiped through blacksmithy taught me a lot, had great steaks and mead and homebrew beer at all times made those noises a lot easier to make.
 
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crono1224

One more question was thinking bout intelligence, not like a spy per se but someone that maybe analyzes it or something, does either branch do it, or is it maybe more specific to one or the other?
 
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Dusty668

All branches do it to some extent, depending on the type you want to go into will be the service you would choose, SIGINT (signals intellegence) communications, HUINT (Human Intelligence) Criminal Investigation, OPINT(Operations Intellegence) G2, and PINT (Photo Intellegence) Cartography- some if not all of the names may have changes in 20 some odd years since I was in-were the main ones I saw in the army, but those were at battalion level. Eventually though you would want to wind up in one of those alphabet groups that may or may not exist-ahem-The ones that do exist like CIA go to their jobs website, see what you want to be doing in 15-20 years and see what the qualifications are. All of these groups in the army were loaded with warrant officers that were making a career of it as well without "going Beltway" too.
 
One more thing for the people who have served. Would you recommend it, and would you do it again?
Yes.

Dave was right by the way. The Air Force is looked at as the white collar military service (not necessarily true, but compared to the other 3). It is my understanding that the Air Force tends to offer more for families so that would be something you would want to look into.
 
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Jonzac

I'm Air Force and your experience really depends on the job you choose.

Intel for example is mostly "in an office"...now that office will often be with an Aircraft squadron or it could be in the DC area at Ft Meade.

KNOW THIS FOR A FACT. No matter which Service you join YOU WILL DEPLOY somewhere, sometime...it could be a year in Korea, Qatar, Afghanistan or MacDill AFB, FL..it will be time away from your wife/family.

The job you choose should be tied to what you REALLY want to do... you like computers, there are sys adm type jobs. You like guns...Security Forces. Mechanical..Aircraft or vehicle or ICBM maintenance.

Talk to the recruiter...then come back here and let us know what they said/promised.

Forgot to mention housing...most bases have some, you might have to wait a few months until a spot opens up but you get a "housing allowance" that is added to your base pay. You get the "housing allowance..or BAH" if you live off base. If you live on-base the goverment keeps that allowance since you live ON-BASE.

For your wife, if you do deploy there is MANY support entities on base that are designed to help her out...in addition to the folks/family of your unit.

Would I do it again...yes..even if it meant coming back to the pentagon again.
 
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crono1224

I'm Air Force and your experience really depends on the job you choose.

Intel for example is mostly "in an office"...now that office will often be with an Aircraft squadron or it could be in the DC area at Ft Meade.

KNOW THIS FOR A FACT. No matter which Service you join YOU WILL DEPLOY somewhere, sometime...it could be a year in Korea, Qatar, Afghanistan or MacDill AFB, FL..it will be time away from your wife/family.

The job you choose should be tied to what you REALLY want to do... you like computers, there are sys adm type jobs. You like guns...Security Forces. Mechanical..Aircraft or vehicle or ICBM maintenance.

Talk to the recruiter...then come back here and let us know what they said/promised.

Forgot to mention housing...most bases have some, you might have to wait a few months until a spot opens up but you get a "housing allowance" that is added to your base pay. You get the "housing allowance..or BAH" if you live off base. If you live on-base the goverment keeps that allowance since you live ON-BASE.

For your wife, if you do deploy there is MANY support entities on base that are designed to help her out...in addition to the folks/family of your unit.

Would I do it again...yes..even if it meant coming back to the pentagon again.
A couple things, I have been warned that recruiters can be slightly unscrupulous in their recruiting, being that their job is to fill their quota so saying things that aren't completely true isn't that huge of a deal to them. Is this true, and if so what should I do to combat that?

Second, why is air force 'better' for families than say army, I heard that the deployment time is shorter usually, but are there other things?

Third, I was looking into Intel cause I think it could be interesting helping in the support of whats happening, where troops should go, and what not. But I wasn't sure the difference between army and air force Intel, such as is one more of a main focus of the branch and one maybe an addition. I can't really think of how to phrase it. But like the army's intelligence is more all encompassing, and air force is very specific? (If anyone could crack what i was saying feel free to answer if not it's fine.)

*edited* Forth, regarding BAH I thought simply having a dependent made me eligible to receive it? If not would it not be smarter to live off site so that I have access to the money?
 
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Dusty668

A couple things, I have been warned that recruiters can be slightly unscrupulous in their recruiting, being that their job is to fill their quota so saying things that aren't completely true isn't that huge of a deal to them. Is this true, and if so what should I do to combat that?
1. Know what you want to do, guide him toward that goal. If you and he have a similar goal, that will make it easier for both of you. If you go in with 'I Dunno, whad ya wanna do' attitude, he will smell blood in the water and drop you in something he needs numbers of folks in for his bonus. The more you know directly about your chosen job choice, the better for you. You can try getting in touch with former members of your field via Veterans groups, such as online groups, or your local Veterans of Foreign Wars.

2. Get ANY PROMISE or any ASSURANCE in writing on your contract. Especially if it is a deal breaker for you, or affects the location of yourself from your family. He's not out to cheat you specifically, but if he can get another notch on his quota and look good to the boss, he will.

A recruiter is like any other salesman, he has a product, he wants to have you take that product and make his quota. Just because he can't fully lie, he may not tell the full truth either. He's there to make his nut, and get you in uniform. Also be aware, there may be some things he simply cannot promise, he may indeed be able to put in a back channel request, but if it's not in your contract don't expect it to happen. If you go in "prepare for the worst, hope for the best" will become a very comforting phrase.
 
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crono1224

A couple things, I have been warned that recruiters can be slightly unscrupulous in their recruiting, being that their job is to fill their quota so saying things that aren't completely true isn't that huge of a deal to them. Is this true, and if so what should I do to combat that?
1. Know what you want to do, guide him toward that goal. If you and he have a similar goal, that will make it easier for both of you. If you go in with 'I Dunno, whad ya wanna do' attitude, he will smell blood in the water and drop you in something he needs numbers of folks in for his bonus. The more you know directly about your chosen job choice, the better for you. You can try getting in touch with former members of your field via Veterans groups, such as online groups, or your local Veterans of Foreign Wars.

2. Get ANY PROMISE or any ASSURANCE in writing on your contract. Especially if it is a deal breaker for you, or affects the location of yourself from your family. He's not out to cheat you specifically, but if he can get another notch on his quota and look good to the boss, he will.

A recruiter is like any other salesman, he has a product, he wants to have you take that product and make his quota. Just because he can't fully lie, he may not tell the full truth either. He's there to make his nut, and get you in uniform. Also be aware, there may be some things he simply cannot promise, he may indeed be able to put in a back channel request, but if it's not in your contract don't expect it to happen. If you go in "prepare for the worst, hope for the best" will become a very comforting phrase.
Gotcha, ya thats why I went here first to see how much info I could be provided with because I knew a lot of you have been in the military before and I was hoping to have some light shed upon the things I was thinking about. Thanks for the advice though :).

@Sparhawk
I've worked a bit in construction and cooking, I have become familare with that term :).
 
With regards to housing, I've seen it in all the major services (although, admittedly, on in limited amounts for the Army). It goes in descending order of quality, without question: Air Force, Navy, Army, Marine Corps. Marine barracks suck ass, and family housing ain't much better. I hear a lot of junior Airmen griping about the quality of their "dorms" (the fact that they call them "dorms" gives you an idea of their relative quality), and I want to laugh. Then I tell them about how at French Creek, in Camp LeJeune, NC, Marines were getting reimbursed for living in the barracks there, because they started detecting toxins in the water supply.

I love my Marine Corps, but they can pinch a couple pennies together tight enough to make Abraham Lincoln a siamese twin...
 
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crono1224

With regards to housing, I've seen it in all the major services (although, admittedly, on in limited amounts for the Army). It goes in descending order of quality, without question: Air Force, Navy, Army, Marine Corps. Marine barracks suck ass, and family housing ain't much better. I hear a lot of junior Airmen griping about the quality of their "dorms" (the fact that they call them "dorms" gives you an idea of their relative quality), and I want to laugh. Then I tell them about how at French Creek, in Camp LeJeune, NC, Marines were getting reimbursed for living in the barracks there, because they started detecting toxins in the water supply.

I love my Marine Corps, but they can pinch a couple pennies together tight enough to make Abraham Lincoln a siamese twin...
So what you are saying is get out of their housing and move into our own with the BAH they provide?


Also random question to the ones i asked before, I hear that there are bonuses for joining quickly when you speak with an recruiter. My question is if you speak with them first for facts, can you go in later (couple weeks later) and then actually sign up quickly for the bonus?)
 
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