Mortal Kombat reboot?

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Ooh, now there's a new game trailer to match (well, not match exactly but still).

You know, I'm a long way from the guy who used to love brutally destroying his friends on MK2, but that trailer made me remember, just for a moment, how good it was.
 
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Matt²

Jack Thompson said:
These games are murder simulators
What else would you call the graphic depiction of someone being purposely dragged personally backwards through a saw blade?
Accidental?
 
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Matt²

Jack Thompson said:
These games are murder simulators
What else would you call the graphic depiction of someone being purposely dragged personally backwards through a saw blade?
Accidental?
They're "murder simulators" like Pong is a table tennis simulator.[/QUOTE]

Interesting if not totally ineffective comparison - Pong is actually meant to portray table tennis though as a game since at the time it was created the hardware and software limitations prevented it from being more realistic - it didn't do an *accurate* enough description. The new Mortal Kombat game however, is fully 3d rendered with human anatomy descriptions and depictions and blood and gore, so it is very much more accurate in it's depiction of murder. Not simply murder, but violent, depraved, psychopathic murder.

I find the game, and the review video, reprehensible.
 
Jack Thompson said:
These games are murder simulators
What else would you call the graphic depiction of someone being purposely dragged personally backwards through a saw blade?
Accidental?
They're "murder simulators" like Pong is a table tennis simulator.[/QUOTE]

Interesting if not totally ineffective comparison - Pong is actually meant to portray table tennis though as a game since at the time it was created the hardware and software limitations prevented it from being more realistic - it didn't do an *accurate* enough description. The new Mortal Kombat game however, is fully 3d rendered with human anatomy descriptions and depictions and blood and gore, so it is very much more accurate in it's depiction of murder. Not simply murder, but violent, depraved, psychopathic murder.

I find the game, and the review video, reprehensible.[/QUOTE]

My point is that Pong only resembles table tennis in the most superficial way possible. It's about two players knocking a ball back and forth within a predetermined playing area, but that's it. Being good at Pong doesn't make me any better at table tennis. It might pique my interest in table tennis, sure, but it's not a simulation. Not with any reasonable level of accuracy or realism.

Similarly, the Mortal Kombat games only resemble murders in a superficial way. It's about inflicting damage and hurting a person until they die, but that's it. Being good at Mortal Kombat doesn't make me any better at killing people. It might indulge my violent urges, sure, but it's not a simulation. Not with any reasonable level of accuracy or realism.

To me, the word "simulation" implies a level of realism and accuracy. A flight simulator attempts to recreate the act of flying an airplane, as realistically as possible. A military simulator is designed to predict the outcome of combat scenarios as accurately as possible. Even games like Sim City, Sim Tower, Sim Farm, Sim Ant, the Sims etc are expected to live up to the "sim" part of their name through realism.

This is why I find it ludicrous when people like Jack Thompson say violent video games are a simulation of real life violence. Playing Quake doesn't teach me how to fire a gun. Playing Mortal Kombat doesn't teach me how to fight. Playing Grand Theft Auto doesn't teach me how to jack cars. Playing Assassin's Creed doesn't teach me how to blend into crowds and avoid the authorities.

Now, perhaps there's a case for violent games desensitizing us to violence, but I think that's a different issue.
 

ElJuski

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There's no denying that Fatalities were made with the specific purpose of watching something fucking disguisting happen, as a little shot of happy to the reptilian, blood-lusting part of our brains. The Gladiators are still around; they're just digital now.

I don't find Mortal Kombat bad on a moral level because none of those characters are realistic or sympathetic. They're rag dolls. And yes, that's also testament to the desensitization of violence, as there have been plenty of conversations here about those japanese rape games.
 

ElJuski

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Semantics aside, I think the real issue is how, regardless of format or reality, we're engaging in what is considered morally reprehensible. The principle of the thing more than the implication of the thing, though there are still implications that stem from these media outlets than a realistic application.
 
I also think this is not a 'murder simulatior' because, even if some may find fatalities an important part of the game, the focus is not on them. You don't even have full control over them. It's like saying that a movie with sex scenes is porn or something, I dunno (I know the parallelism was very weak, but still...)
 
While I think that making it more realistic may be becoming distasteful (one of the draws of MK was the cartoonish, B-movie quality of the over-the-top violence), I think the issue with referring to it as a murder simulator is that you're not simulating murder any more than a war game does. It simulates killing to be sure, and should I ever find myself in a battle to the death against an ice spewing opponent, then I might find that I have been trained dispatch of such an individual (assuming I first figured out how to turn my hat into a saw blade that spins on the ground).
 
Is dragging someone through a buzzsaw crotch first murder? Yes. Is that saw in the video actually a hat that's just spinning on the ground while giving the finger to the laws of physics? Also yes.

I think Mortal Kombat is as much a murder simulator as any other game where violence solves your problem. Do those goombas want to be stomped on? No, but Mario does it anyway. Murder. Does Link go around saving the kingdom from the forces of darkness? Or does he just go around murdering people with a sword until he's murdered the right people and no longer has to murder anyone? I'm not qualified to say.
 
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Chibibar

Jack Thompson said:
These games are murder simulators
What else would you call the graphic depiction of someone being purposely dragged personally backwards through a saw blade?
Accidental?
They're "murder simulators" like Pong is a table tennis simulator.[/QUOTE]

well.. if you can toss a hat to the ground and make it turn on its own without any form of engine at all and use it as a saw. then yea... it would be a murder simulator ;)
 
So based on what some of you folks are saying and what some sites are saying this isn't a scene from the film, but just something that a production company put together in the hopes of drumming up finances to actually make a feature film. That being said a lot of changes could occur between now and then, such as overall story and actors.
It's an interesting concept, but I don't know how far they could actually go with it. Sure they can explain Reptile, Baraka, and even Scorpion, but how are they going to realistically explain pretty much everyone else? They can't all be surgical freaks of nature.

Raiden: Jim O'Reiley put a fork in the toaster. Now he's able to shock you.

Goro: Siamese twins where one twin is inside the other except for his arms that stick out the side.
 
I wouldn't have been able to explain Reptile if they hadn't put him in this short (ex: They made mention of his head eating, but not that he had acid spit) They seem to have really good ideas so far.
 
They wouldn't have to explain everyone though, simply because they're not obligated to include every character. Trying to cram too many characters into the movie, just for fan service, is a bad idea. Just look at Spider Man 3.

I just remembered Kabal from MK3. He could work. Man, I have so many fond memories of how cheap he was.
 
I wouldn't have been able to explain Reptile if they hadn't put him in this short (ex: They made mention of his head eating, but not that he had acid spit) They seem to have really good ideas so far.
Yeah, if they can get away with chalking Reptile up to a birth defect and Barraka up to cosmetic surgery, I don't see why Goro, Raiden, and Sub Zero couldn't be explained in similar manners. Goro could be another birth defect and Raiden and Sub Zero could each have devices that shoot electricity and liquid notrogen, respectively. Heck, they might even just get away with not explaining it at all, like Scorpion in this clip. The word "realistic" is used incredibly loosely in movies these days, so whether any of this would be possible in the real world (hint: it wouldn't) doesn't matter, its just using things more grounded in reality to explain things that aren't.

At no point in 300 did they attempt to explain that giant ogre thing, or the other giant ogre thing with the saws for hands, or the goat headed dude, but I didn't care. I'd be approaching this with a similar mindset.

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They wouldn't have to explain everyone though, simply because they're not obligated to include every character. Trying to cram too many characters into the movie, just for fan service, is a bad idea. Just look at Spider Man 3.
I really don't think that was the problem with Spider-Man 3. Not that it wasn't horrible, it absolutely was. But I don't fell like the number of characters was the problem. The problem was with how the characters were handled. Sam Raimi (well, maybe not, but someone) could have juggled introducing Sandman, Venom and Gwen Stacey into the mix, but he didn't want to because he hates Venom

Hell, look at the X-Men franchise. Even Brett Ratner's third one wasn't a complete screw up in comparison to Spider-Man 3.

Its difficult, definitely, but it can be done.


That being said, if they introduced literally EVERY Mortal Kombat character, yes, it'd be a jumbled mess. But there are definitely certain characters I think they'd need to have or it couldn't be considered a MK movie. Liu Kang, for example, was never mentioned in the trailer, but he'd pretty much need to be there.
 
I think it would be better for them to either drop or consolidate some characters. Like, instead of having Kano and Kabal, just make it so Kano uses Kabal's swords to fight. Instead of having Sektor and Cyrax, just have a single robot with some traits from both (net and missles), or just drop one, or even both.

Really, the only characters that NEED to be in it at all are Sub-Zero and Scorpion. They have always been the two iconic characters for me, which is why I always was annoying they just kept running with the Bruce Lee wannabe in the movies, and later on even the games shifted heavily to the fireball spammer. (Oh no Liu Kang was killed in Deadly Alliance! Lets make everyone else get murdered now because how can they win without the hero!? Bad guys win!)

As for how they would be in this "real" take on the MK world. I have a few ideas. Have it so Shang Tsung is a man obsessed with perfection and is holding the events to collect the worlds best and most ruthless warriors and assassins. Goro will be a past winner that Shang took and experimented on, sewing on two new arms and attaching them to the fighters brain, becoming one of the last people Scorpion must defeat. As Scorpion finally hunts Sub-Zero (or works with him, depending on how they bend the story), we find out that Shang has taken the "parts" of all the fighters Scorpion killed and attached them to himself using the same process used on Goro, making him a deadly yet grotesque creature that he deems to be perfect. It would fit with the weird nature shown in the trailer, be more grounded, and keep the "essence" of what Shang was, a person that stole abilities and forms.
 
If they wanted to preserve some element of the old mythology, couldn't they have a setup where Shang Tsung is, in fact, a sorcerer from another plane, and the blood-letting in the tournament is the sacrifice he needs to bring the Outland dimension to Earth, changing the nature of reality around him, and transforming the various killers and freaks that surround him into more mystical/magical variants?

That would jive rather well with the pitch film as the introduction, basically unchanged.
 
The feeling I got from the trailer is that they want to avoid all the supernatural and interdimensional stuff.
 
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