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I love the new content, having run both Kalimdor as a Troll Rogue and EK as an Undead Mage (up to level 58 each, I've seen Outlands and Northrend and don't need to repeat them again, as I already have 4 80s - yes I have no life, and also no job). But I was about ready to tear my hair out in EK.
Seriously... can I buy a zone where I don't have to look after/play with a buddy/pet? In Hillsbrad Foothills it was the questers that I gave quests to, in WPL it was the stupid Druid that the Cenarions wanted me to train, in EPL it was the pallies from the wagon, in Bad Lands it was the Bad Dogs mercs, in Searing Gorge it was Lump, and in Blasted Lands it was Eitrigg's son. Can I please just play my own character and rely on my own skills? This "theme" shit (group quests in TBC, vehicle quests in WotLK, pets in Cat) needs to die in a fire.
You forgot escort quests in vanilla.
You forgot escort quests in vanilla.
[/QUOTE]That's because I started playing 3 weeks before Sunwell dropped during TBC, so I really didn't have to deal with too many of the escort quests, but yeah, you're right.
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Started playing an Undead till Cata, and wow.... Garrosh is going to die a horrible death. Mark my words....
What makes you think this? His appearance in Silverpine is probably one of his only redeeming points, other then killing a guy in Stonetalon. If anything I think his speech, the prominence of the Val'kyr, and the abduction of Koltra are going to lead to something very bad for Sylvanas.
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See I'm thinking the opposite, I'm thinking Sylvannas isn't going to put up with that kind of treatment....
If you haven't done it yet, make a Forsaken *anything* and play through the Brill/Silverpine quests at least once, even if you don't like Horde.
I'm thinking, honestly, that if any Horde faction leaders are going to die, it will be Sylvanas. Though I already have a friend who has said he will quit if that happens.
I'm thinking, honestly, that if any Horde faction leaders are going to die, it will be Sylvanas. Though I already have a friend who has said he will quit if that happens.
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Agreed, I've been blown away by the depth of character shown so far by the new Forsaken.
Currently leveling another warrior, will change it to a Death Knight at 55, just to see their storyline.
Currently leveling another warrior, will change it to a Death Knight at 55, just to see their storyline.
She kind of has to though, as she is already in the "doghouse" with the Horde after the Wrathgate, and the orcs basically own Undercity. While she can attempt to free herself of this, doing such would put her as enemy of the Horde, and due to the nature of the gameplay, the Forsaken will never leave the Horde. As such there are only two likely outcomes.
1) Sylvanas does attempt to kill Garrosh and break from the Horde, fails, is killed, and thus a new leader of the Forsaken put in her place.
2) Sylvanas learns from her experience, and in a later expansions fully repents for what she did, gaining much greater respect and equality among the Horde races.
Blizzard (more specifically Metzen) has already stated that Garrosh is "part of Thrall's ongoing story" and so he will not be killed by Vol'jin or Sylvanas.
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She kind of has to though, as she is already in the "doghouse" with the Horde after the Wrathgate, and the orcs basically own Undercity. While she can attempt to free herself of this, doing such would put her as enemy of the Horde, and due to the nature of the gameplay, the Forsaken will never leave the Horde. As such there are only two likely outcomes.
1) Sylvanas does attempt to kill Garrosh and break from the Horde, fails, is killed, and thus a new leader of the Forsaken put in her place.
2) Sylvanas learns from her experience, and in a later expansions fully repents for what she did, gaining much greater respect and equality among the Horde races.
Blizzard (more specifically Metzen) has already stated that Garrosh is "part of Thrall's ongoing story" and so he will not be killed by Vol'jin or Sylvanas.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I dont' see either of those outcomes happening. There is noonelse who could take over and control the Forsaken and then the Horde would be in worse shape with a full out assault on par with the Lich King's attack. Sylvanas isn't readying to repent. If you've followed the Forsaken storyline at all, she's on the verge of wiping out the entire planet, Horde included.
First, never think I have not followed any of the storyline, I have followed it more then you probably have, I just look deeper and from the point of view of both a story writer and gameplay developer. You are not looking at this from a game development side of the coin.
Second, anyone can take over for Sylvanas, because all it would take is Blizzard adding and building up a character to do it. How do you think Garrosh came into power? It was because Blizzard wanted it, and that was it. Thrall was much more popular then Sylvanas (winning the Horde leader poll by a landslide) and yet even he was replaced by someone, it would not be hard to do for someone like Sylvanas. Many even theorize that the introduction of Lilian Voss was a "seed" for her to take over in the future, as she shows power on-par, if not greater, then Sylvanas.
Third, the only way Sylvanas is going to survive is if she repents, because the one thing that will never happen in the lifetime of this game is a "factional breakup". This is the same reason she will never kill Garrosh, because the faction will never split for gameplay reasons. Sylvanas will either have to repent and join the Horde on a more loyal scale when new storylines develop, or she will die and be replaced by someone that is more loyal. That is just how it will work down the pipe due to the factional nature of this game.
The only third option would be a total driven adherence to the status quo, which means she will still never kill Garrosh nor expand her territory beyond the places she has now.
I could see the possibility of Sylvanas and the Forsaken breaking off from the Horde, but that would mean the undead player base would be absorbed into a new group under Horde control and a new city leader. Probably the least likely of the scenarios, though, especially if Sylvanas gets to keep Undercity.
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Never said I was. Never was my intention. Didn't bring into conversation. It was a side quote about the lore. "More than I probably have"? High on yourself much?
Thrall hasn't been replaced, it's temporary until
he takes over as the Aspect of Earth
Again, not talking about a game side perspective, sorry you misunderstood.
Yeah because world leaders can't die
lolcairnelol
Not really high on myself, just speaking the truth. Few people in this game know as much about the lore or keep up on the day to day activities. I literally read quests on wowhead as a way to pass the time, and go to message boards where myself and others pick those quests apart to find information. It's just how we role.
Well for one thing...
Thrall has not been confirmed as an Aspect of Earth replacement, as the quests point to a dragon being born in Badlands to one day take the job. If anything, Thrall will be a warden to watch over the job while the whelp grows.
and two, if you read The Shattering...
Thrall takes off the armor of Doomhammer to "shed" himself of the role as leader of the Horde. He has totally taken his role as shaman and member of the Earthen Ring in order to protect the world. Even, if the rumors are true, and he does become an "Aspect of Earth" his return to the role of Warchief would be even less likely, since the Aspects by large are designed to either be neutral, or enemies (in the case of the insane ones like Deathwing and Malygos), and share no factional bias. Even Alexstrazsa, the one that for all intents should have a factional bias, does not have one now.
The issue is you have to take in a game side perspective, otherwise you can't really speak about what will happen, because the game drives the story, not the other way around.
Ummm... I never said Garrosh wouldn't die, but his death will not be by the hands of Sylvanas. The reason the Cairne death made it was only because it was an honor duel, one the Tauren respect. Garrosh being assassinated by Sylvanas is another matter that could lead to open war, one which Sylvanas would lose due to the limitations of the Val'kyr being unable to resurrect non-humans.
In the end, based on what we see, Sylvanas is the one much more likely to die when it's all said and done, due to the nature of the game.
Just come hang out on Ghostlands, we have the Caerbannog guild and many of us are leveling alts right now. Even so, leveling is extremely fast now due to the improved quest flow, you will rarely if ever find yourself wandering around aimlessly looking for the next questing zone.
They have said that is a "Cataclysm Perk" so the skill is not open to you unless you own Cataclysm. That means we all have to wait till the 7th till we can fly in the old world.
I assume you mean Horde side?
What really frustrates me is the lack of people I know on RP servers. I've been wanting to focus on an undead priest for a while, primarily for RPing purposes, but it's sort of silly doing it by yourself. I just created one on Ghostlands, though I may be better of focusing on a less, um, "character driven character" there.
What really frustrates me is the lack of people I know on RP servers. I've been wanting to focus on an undead priest for a while, primarily for RPing purposes, but it's sort of silly doing it by yourself. I just created one on Ghostlands, though I may be better of focusing on a less, um, "character driven character" there.
Alright, more random questions:
Whenever I log into my level 80 warrior, I stare at the new array of talents and feel paralyzed with fear of picking the wrong ones. Does dual-speccing exist now? (I haven't played in a while but I remember reading about it). The last time I was playing, I rarely did instances and wasn't that good at tanking when I did. I found that it was a lot easier to level in Arms than anything else. BUT I eventually found that even though it was slower, protection spec made the game more fun. It required a wider variety of abilities. It was also the only spec that let me take down Elites of equivalent level by myself.
How much of that is still relevant now? If I do prot-spec to make soloing more fun, but I'm not that good at tanking, does that screw me when I'm trying to get in a group? (Alternate question... do you think I'll have an overall easier time getting into groups/making-friends-for-later-grouping if I'm DPS, which is in higher supply/less demand but I'm better at, or tank-spec, which is in higher demand but I have a harder time doing so I may have a harder time getting invited back).
Not sure if I expect a good answer to any of that beyond "it's complicated" but any help would be appreciated. Basically, I'm a casual guy who would like to be able to run instances for the sake of getting through the story, with minimal repeating of instances over and over.
Whenever I log into my level 80 warrior, I stare at the new array of talents and feel paralyzed with fear of picking the wrong ones. Does dual-speccing exist now? (I haven't played in a while but I remember reading about it). The last time I was playing, I rarely did instances and wasn't that good at tanking when I did. I found that it was a lot easier to level in Arms than anything else. BUT I eventually found that even though it was slower, protection spec made the game more fun. It required a wider variety of abilities. It was also the only spec that let me take down Elites of equivalent level by myself.
How much of that is still relevant now? If I do prot-spec to make soloing more fun, but I'm not that good at tanking, does that screw me when I'm trying to get in a group? (Alternate question... do you think I'll have an overall easier time getting into groups/making-friends-for-later-grouping if I'm DPS, which is in higher supply/less demand but I'm better at, or tank-spec, which is in higher demand but I have a harder time doing so I may have a harder time getting invited back).
Not sure if I expect a good answer to any of that beyond "it's complicated" but any help would be appreciated. Basically, I'm a casual guy who would like to be able to run instances for the sake of getting through the story, with minimal repeating of instances over and over.
You get dual-talent specilization at level 30 (or 40, I don't remember which) for ten gold. So you should have no problem, then, having a protection spec for tanking and another for dps leveling on your own.
Now, when you pick a talent specialization, you're locked into that talent tree until you put 31 points into it. The plus side to this is that they can give you more powerful abilities earlier. They're also designed with the intent that no spec is 'better' than another.
I personally really enjoy fury for leveling warriors, but there's no reason arms wouldn't work just as well. Protection, naturally, could also work, but would be a little slower, since you're sacrificing dps for unkillability.
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Your class trainer gives you the option to buy it.
Go to any class trainer, they'll have an option for dual-specialization.
Jiarn: Rexx isn't being high on himself. He's telling the truth. He does know more about this stuff than you.
Don't believe me? Tell me: do you have any semblance of a life not involving Warcraft? If even one cell of your brain signifies a positive answer, then ScytheRexx knows more about it than you.
Don't believe me? Tell me: do you have any semblance of a life not involving Warcraft? If even one cell of your brain signifies a positive answer, then ScytheRexx knows more about it than you.
Right click on the combat log tab and hit "Unlock Window". After that, you can drag it out of the main window and put it anywhere on the screen. At least, that's how it always used to be, I have not bothered to make many new windows out of the chat panel since the change to the new chat system.
Hey! No fair.
*strokes his developer signed WOTLK poster and pets his Wyvern plushie*
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Wow, you defended him by insulting him?
I do believe I never claimed that he DIDN'T know more than me, I simply stated the way he put it was very "self-absorbed".
None the less, that topic was opened and shut, not sure what was the point of bringing it back up.
I do believe I never claimed that he DIDN'T know more than me, I simply stated the way he put it was very "self-absorbed".
None the less, that topic was opened and shut, not sure what was the point of bringing it back up.
So that you realized it wasn't self absorption. It was simply fact. I hear you've been doing some dating. While you were busy with that, Rexx was reading the history of the Swamps of Sorrow. Not because he hadn't read them before, but to fact check the WoW wiki and the developers' private notes which he accessed through secret contacts (note: he found seven typographical errors and eighteen lore errors). Have you seen the Ken Burns style documentaries detailing the significant events and backgrounds of every war crucial to the Warcraft lore, both on and off Azeroth? Because he's working on editing all eleven of them at one time.
Your level of dedication is paltry. Mine is stunted like a fetus drowning in its prostitute mother's latest alcohol binge. To question Rexx's knowledge is not to determine who is right and wrong over Warcraft lore--he already knows that.
SLURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP.
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Yeah, you're completely out of the loop. You must have barely skimmed the posts.
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