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makare
I think my overall point is, tone it down because it makes you sound like a jerk.
That's about it.
That's about it.
TSA forces cancer survivor to show prosthetic
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It's just peninsula envy.
The TSA isn't there to keep us safe. It was invented solely as a jobs program that no one can get rid of.
Here's why: is there anyone with not only the political courage to seriously propose dismantling it, but the pull to make it stick? Just the notion would never make it through even one news cycle. Fox and Rush and so on would tear the idea and the person to shreds. It's political suicide to mess with the TSA in today's climate.
Here's why: is there anyone with not only the political courage to seriously propose dismantling it, but the pull to make it stick? Just the notion would never make it through even one news cycle. Fox and Rush and so on would tear the idea and the person to shreds. It's political suicide to mess with the TSA in today's climate.
With that astounding logic, there is nothing in the gov't that is anything more than a "jobs program". Bring more meat to the table.
With that astounding logic, there is nothing in the gov't that is anything more than a "jobs program". Bring more meat to the table.[/QUOTE]
You've missed the point by light years.
I'll ask again. What politician is going to risk their hide against the avalanche of "soft on terror" screeching from all sides to call out the TSA for the bad joke that it is? I'm willing to bet not a one. Not one who isn't already on their way out, anyway
Geez, the situation gets worse and worse.
I'll be honest and state that I've never enjoyed traveling to the U.S after 9-11. The last time I went to Florida to catch my cruise in spring, the process took from start to finish, close to 3 hours. At one point I had my shoes, belt, shirt off and two men were doing buzzing around me with cricket bats. I wasn't amused that I didn't even have time to get a bite after the whole pointless ordeal before my flight. For the record, this whole process took AS LONG as the flight itself. The same thing applied on my way back. I can only imagine the additionnal delays if TSA agents were probing me with their fingers. (did any of you catch the SNL skit about this? it was hilarious)
Yet when I went to Europe the last few times or fly within Canada, the experience was far more acceptable and reasonable. I'm for checkups but really, this crosses the line. And being told "you have the choice not to fly". Yes, that's true but I also don't think taking a boat across the Atlantic like Christopher F'in Columbus is an acceptable option B.
I'll be honest and state that I've never enjoyed traveling to the U.S after 9-11. The last time I went to Florida to catch my cruise in spring, the process took from start to finish, close to 3 hours. At one point I had my shoes, belt, shirt off and two men were doing buzzing around me with cricket bats. I wasn't amused that I didn't even have time to get a bite after the whole pointless ordeal before my flight. For the record, this whole process took AS LONG as the flight itself. The same thing applied on my way back. I can only imagine the additionnal delays if TSA agents were probing me with their fingers. (did any of you catch the SNL skit about this? it was hilarious)
Yet when I went to Europe the last few times or fly within Canada, the experience was far more acceptable and reasonable. I'm for checkups but really, this crosses the line. And being told "you have the choice not to fly". Yes, that's true but I also don't think taking a boat across the Atlantic like Christopher F'in Columbus is an acceptable option B.
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Chibibar
Wow....... Ok people, lets play nice. 
Makare: you be surprise how first impression effects people. Sure an educated person would do the research and learn about things before passing judgment, but look at the U.S. right now. People are passing judgment left and right (myself included) with little research. It happens. We also have to be concern for traveler's impression.
Here is why:
For me, traveling abroad is an expensive thing to do (looking around at least 2k a person for 5 day travel). Everything I do is double because I take my wife with me. So sometimes, first impression are put into consideration on returning to X country. I personally had a horrible time in France cause the people (mainly Paris) made fun of me every day, but I don't let that bother me cause my wife never been and see all the beautiful sights. Would I go back to Paris alone? probably not, I may visit other cities first before going to Paris alone.
I have been to other countries in the last 5 years and the U.S. has the most inconvenience airport. I have been to Germany and my carry-on was searched 3 times (cause I have two laptops. One was mine and the other is my wife), but it wasn't as bad when I was traveling to Chicago. I have been to China and Japan and their airport is not bad compare to the U.S.
I don't think these searches really deter the real terrorist. It may deter "would be" but if a real terrorist wanted to do something, they can. I am not sure about all the news report, but from what I have read (not sure if it is true or not) we (the U.S.) have train some of them in the past or know about it but didn't act on it.
That is just my view.
Makare: you be surprise how first impression effects people. Sure an educated person would do the research and learn about things before passing judgment, but look at the U.S. right now. People are passing judgment left and right (myself included) with little research. It happens. We also have to be concern for traveler's impression.
Here is why:
For me, traveling abroad is an expensive thing to do (looking around at least 2k a person for 5 day travel). Everything I do is double because I take my wife with me. So sometimes, first impression are put into consideration on returning to X country. I personally had a horrible time in France cause the people (mainly Paris) made fun of me every day, but I don't let that bother me cause my wife never been and see all the beautiful sights. Would I go back to Paris alone? probably not, I may visit other cities first before going to Paris alone.
I have been to other countries in the last 5 years and the U.S. has the most inconvenience airport. I have been to Germany and my carry-on was searched 3 times (cause I have two laptops. One was mine and the other is my wife), but it wasn't as bad when I was traveling to Chicago. I have been to China and Japan and their airport is not bad compare to the U.S.
I don't think these searches really deter the real terrorist. It may deter "would be" but if a real terrorist wanted to do something, they can. I am not sure about all the news report, but from what I have read (not sure if it is true or not) we (the U.S.) have train some of them in the past or know about it but didn't act on it.
That is just my view.
They did this to my 1 year old when we went to Hawaii last January. Had to strip him down to his diaper... and then they had to insepct the diaper. In the security officer's defense... he seemed highly uncomfortable doing it and apologized when everything was done (apparently a rarity among these people).
TSA is a federal administration. They are government actors.
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makare
TSA is a federal administration. They are government actors.[/QUOTE]
Yeah we cleared that up already.
Necronic
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Got a question for Chaz, Necronic, or whoever else is knowledgeable about such things: Is that really a big deal? Unless the THz waves alter the base pairs in DNA, a denatured strand would generally return to it's regular conformation once you remove the outside force, would it not?[/QUOTE]
Chaz is probably better equipped to answer this than I am, so take what I am saying with a grain of salt, but I'll take a shot.
First off, the research sounds plausible, but I would have to read the paper to know for sure, and even then this is beyond my level of knowledge. You're dealing with EM effects on macromolecules, which is effectively impossible to predict (e-cloud modelling on macromolecules is borderline impossible, hence the protein folding cloud computing.) So the research is going to be empirically based, not predictive.
Beyond that I don't know how you can monitor DNA structure in a natural form while being bombarded with radiation. X-ray cystallography and other systems generall don't give you a true picture of the structure. Yet again, that's why we run the protein folding cloud computer. You can't know for sure what a protein looks like without doing the modelling.
That said, if the DNA is being unzipped it will go back to normal (I think) depending on how unzipped it got (i.e. not fully denatured). The problem is that during that time that it is unzipped it is more open to attack by all sorts of enzymes/proteins/whatever.
Long story short, its an interesting/disturbing find. On the other hand, there have been similar findings on Cell-phones/wifi and we use those a million times more (although there are many studies that disagree with cellphones)
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To the security thing, I think the TSA has had multiple black marks of unproffesionalism. I don't think that the problem are the security measures, but how they are handled. This woman's screen should have been done in private. The man with the urine bag should have been listened to. If the TSA wants to stay in existence, it needs to be managed with an extremely high level of courtesy. Which ultimately means increasing wages/national investment.
In general though I support advanced security measures. People often take machine's for granted, and don't think about what a plane (or a car) really is. The destructive potential of a plane is phenomenal, are our memories so short that we have forgotten that?
Planes are also unique in that passengers have a massive level of control on the safety of the plane. If someone wants to compromise that safety and has the means to do it there is almost nothing you can do to protect yourself. That's why security at airports has to be so much more intense than it is anywhere else.
Its not like we haven't had close calls. The underwear and shoe bomber were only partially unsuccesful. They got the weapons on the plain, they just screwed up in using them. Next time we may not be so lucky.
Someone earlier made a comment about the visibility of security reducing its effectiveness, I don't think that's true. Yes, there should be security systems that are not known or visible, but the 'boots on the ground' make a huge difference as well, like making a potential bomber nervous enough to be caught or deterred.
Honestly I have never had that much difficulty flying. When I get up to the security gate I have a system of removing everything from my person and putting it in my briefcase, then I just walk right through.
I also don't think that people have an innate right to fly. If you are willing to jump through the hoops you are allowed to fly, however those hoops need to be consistent. I have known multiple people who have missed flights because their first name is Omar, and that is not acceptable. With a more effective IT system with a detailed database about the people on the no fly list (as opposed to just a bunch of names with "brown person" written next to it) these issues could be avoided.
Ultimately its a new system, and it will take a while to get the wrinkles out, but I refuse to accept that anything that puts people out, regardless of the security implications, should be abandoned. People that dislike airport security on a philosophical level are more than welcome to fly that philosophy wherever they are going.
With that astounding logic, there is nothing in the gov't that is anything more than a "jobs program". Bring more meat to the table.[/QUOTE]
You've missed the point by light years.
I'll ask again. What politician is going to risk their hide against the avalanche of "soft on terror" screeching from all sides to call out the TSA for the bad joke that it is? I'm willing to bet not a one. Not one who isn't already on their way out, anyway[/QUOTE]
I understand your point. You believe it serves no purpose, and the only reason it's around is because politicians are too spineless to present the "truth" about it.
It appears you have missed my point.
I'm asking you to provide evidence that if the TSA went away we would not have a repeat of 9/11.
In other words, if so many people "know" it's useless and pointless, then you should have some real material to back up your claims.
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Chazwozel
Got a question for Chaz, Necronic, or whoever else is knowledgeable about such things: Is that really a big deal? Unless the THz waves alter the base pairs in DNA, a denatured strand would generally return to it's regular conformation once you remove the outside force, would it not?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I don't think it's a major problem. DNA annealing and denaturing is dependent on a number of factors. I'm not 100% on the effects because I never really read about any THz wave studies on DNA, but a major factor in DNA annealing is temperature itself. There are proteins like histones that aid in the regulation of what double strands open up and where as well as other things to consider like GC content of the strand.
The point is that the DNA in your cells is not nakedly floating around in there. It's tightly coiled (like a rubber band twisted around and around itself), surrounded by regulatory enzymes and proteins that aide in keeping it stable. The DNA in your cells gets beat up on a lot by the environment itself. It's not really a cut and dry deal, saying that something is found to denature DNA. I can do that by dunking a centrifuge tube in 90 degree water.
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Chazwozel
That statement, wow, just wow.
Although South Dakota is a barren wasteland full of fat, dumb rednecks, seeing Mount Rushmore was an awesome and fun experience.
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Chibibar
Got a question for Chaz, Necronic, or whoever else is knowledgeable about such things: Is that really a big deal? Unless the THz waves alter the base pairs in DNA, a denatured strand would generally return to it's regular conformation once you remove the outside force, would it not?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I don't think it's a major problem. DNA annealing and denaturing is dependent on a number of factors. I'm not 100% on the effects because I never really read about any THz wave studies on DNA, but a major factor in DNA annealing is temperature itself. There are proteins like histones that aid in the regulation of what double strands open up and where as well as other things to consider like GC content of the strand.
The point is that the DNA in your cells is not nakedly floating around in there. It's tightly coiled (like a rubber band twisted around and around itself), surrounded by regulatory enzymes and proteins that aide in keeping it stable. The DNA in your cells gets beat up on a lot by the environment itself. It's not really a cut and dry deal, saying that something is found to denature DNA. I can do that by dunking a centrifuge tube in 90 degree water.[/QUOTE]
So as long the we are not being microwave (so our blood boils) and x-ray at the same time we'll be ok?
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Chazwozel
Got a question for Chaz, Necronic, or whoever else is knowledgeable about such things: Is that really a big deal? Unless the THz waves alter the base pairs in DNA, a denatured strand would generally return to it's regular conformation once you remove the outside force, would it not?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I don't think it's a major problem. DNA annealing and denaturing is dependent on a number of factors. I'm not 100% on the effects because I never really read about any THz wave studies on DNA, but a major factor in DNA annealing is temperature itself. There are proteins like histones that aid in the regulation of what double strands open up and where as well as other things to consider like GC content of the strand.
The point is that the DNA in your cells is not nakedly floating around in there. It's tightly coiled (like a rubber band twisted around and around itself), surrounded by regulatory enzymes and proteins that aide in keeping it stable. The DNA in your cells gets beat up on a lot by the environment itself. It's not really a cut and dry deal, saying that something is found to denature DNA. I can do that by dunking a centrifuge tube in 90 degree water.[/QUOTE]
So as long the we are not being microwave (so our blood boils) and x-ray at the same time we'll be ok?
[/QUOTE]Or set on fire. Yeah extreme temperatures and EM exposure are bad, mmmkay.
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Chibibar
Scientists say they have solution to TSA scanner objections
Ok... so now they are gonna "warp" the body. I guess it will be a while before we get "Total Recall" scanner where it is all "bones" with weapon display on the black screen.
Ok... so now they are gonna "warp" the body. I guess it will be a while before we get "Total Recall" scanner where it is all "bones" with weapon display on the black screen.
Necronic
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That statement, wow, just wow.
Although South Dakota is a barren wasteland full of fat, dumb rednecks, seeing Mount Rushmore was an awesome and fun experience.[/QUOTE]
Italy IS dirty, or at least parts of it are. Rome and Naples are pretty trashy. The graphitti in Rome made me want to cry a bit. As someone who lives in an area where the oldest buildings are maybe 150 years old, and are shacks by any other name, it blows me away how people could vandalize buildings that are thousands of years old.
I did not know that. That is inexcusable. I don't have a problem with the TSA's enhanced security if and only if they can already manage basic security systems. If not then this is just icing on a poop cake.
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Chazwozel
That statement, wow, just wow.
Although South Dakota is a barren wasteland full of fat, dumb rednecks, seeing Mount Rushmore was an awesome and fun experience.[/QUOTE]
Italy IS dirty, or at least parts of it are. Rome and Naples are pretty trashy. The graphitti in Rome made me want to cry a bit. As someone who lives in an area where the oldest buildings are maybe 150 years old, and are shacks by any other name, it blows me away how people could vandalize buildings that are thousands of years old.[/QUOTE]
And South Dakota is a barren wasteland full of fat, dumb rednecks...
She's making that claim about an entire country, which is not true.
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makare
That statement, wow, just wow.
Although South Dakota is a barren wasteland full of fat, dumb rednecks, seeing Mount Rushmore was an awesome and fun experience.[/QUOTE]
Italy IS dirty, or at least parts of it are. Rome and Naples are pretty trashy. The graphitti in Rome made me want to cry a bit. As someone who lives in an area where the oldest buildings are maybe 150 years old, and are shacks by any other name, it blows me away how people could vandalize buildings that are thousands of years old.[/QUOTE]
And South Dakota is a barren wasteland full of fat, dumb rednecks...
She's making that claim about an entire country, which is not true.[/QUOTE]
It's true. I saw an awful lot of that country. If you were in Sodak I doubt you strayed from the interstate like the rest of the slack jawed tourists who come through here.
You bring so much to a conversation as usual.
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Chazwozel
That statement, wow, just wow.
Although South Dakota is a barren wasteland full of fat, dumb rednecks, seeing Mount Rushmore was an awesome and fun experience.[/QUOTE]
Italy IS dirty, or at least parts of it are. Rome and Naples are pretty trashy. The graphitti in Rome made me want to cry a bit. As someone who lives in an area where the oldest buildings are maybe 150 years old, and are shacks by any other name, it blows me away how people could vandalize buildings that are thousands of years old.[/QUOTE]
And South Dakota is a barren wasteland full of fat, dumb rednecks...
She's making that claim about an entire country, which is not true.[/QUOTE]
It's true. I saw an awful lot of that country. If you were in Sodak I doubt you strayed from the interstate like the rest of the slack jawed tourists who come through here.
You bring so much to a conversation as usual.[/QUOTE]
I'm not the sheltered idiot making generalizations about entire countries based on some People to People excursion I had to a few cities. What you're doing is akin to someone visiting the U.S. and saying that the entire country is noisy and dirty because they visited New York City, Philadelphia, and Washington D.C.
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Chibibar
or Texas and say.. all we eat are steaks and keep saying "Y'all and Fix'in"
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makare
That statement, wow, just wow.
Although South Dakota is a barren wasteland full of fat, dumb rednecks, seeing Mount Rushmore was an awesome and fun experience.[/QUOTE]
Italy IS dirty, or at least parts of it are. Rome and Naples are pretty trashy. The graphitti in Rome made me want to cry a bit. As someone who lives in an area where the oldest buildings are maybe 150 years old, and are shacks by any other name, it blows me away how people could vandalize buildings that are thousands of years old.[/QUOTE]
And South Dakota is a barren wasteland full of fat, dumb rednecks...
She's making that claim about an entire country, which is not true.[/QUOTE]
It's true. I saw an awful lot of that country. If you were in Sodak I doubt you strayed from the interstate like the rest of the slack jawed tourists who come through here.
You bring so much to a conversation as usual.[/QUOTE]
I'm not the sheltered idiot making generalizations about entire countries based on some People to People excursion I had to a few cities. What you're doing is akin to someone visiting the U.S. and saying that the entire country is noisy and dirty because they visited New York City, Philadelphia, and Washington D.C.[/QUOTE]
You have absolutely no idea what I did or where I went on my trip. But as usual you aren't interested in finding anything out you just want to start a fight because that's how you are. I mean what you said about Sodak may have been your first impression but that's why you fit into the group of people not smart enough to learn what is actually going on and just sticking with their first impressions.
You often say I'm sheltered or I don't know what life is like for other people (other people of course meaning you) but you don't know what it's like to live in Sodak either. So shut your pie hole.
Also, way to miss AND play into my point about first impressions at the same time. Well done.
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Chazwozel
That statement, wow, just wow.
Although South Dakota is a barren wasteland full of fat, dumb rednecks, seeing Mount Rushmore was an awesome and fun experience.[/QUOTE]
Italy IS dirty, or at least parts of it are. Rome and Naples are pretty trashy. The graphitti in Rome made me want to cry a bit. As someone who lives in an area where the oldest buildings are maybe 150 years old, and are shacks by any other name, it blows me away how people could vandalize buildings that are thousands of years old.[/QUOTE]
And South Dakota is a barren wasteland full of fat, dumb rednecks...
She's making that claim about an entire country, which is not true.[/QUOTE]
It's true. I saw an awful lot of that country. If you were in Sodak I doubt you strayed from the interstate like the rest of the slack jawed tourists who come through here.
You bring so much to a conversation as usual.[/QUOTE]
I'm not the sheltered idiot making generalizations about entire countries based on some People to People excursion I had to a few cities. What you're doing is akin to someone visiting the U.S. and saying that the entire country is noisy and dirty because they visited New York City, Philadelphia, and Washington D.C.[/QUOTE]
You have absolutely no idea what I did or where I went on my trip. But as usual you aren't interested in finding anything out you just want to start a fight because that's how you are. I mean what you said about Sodak may have been your first impression but that's why you fit into the group of people not smart enough to learn what is actually going on and just sticking with their first impressions.
You often say I'm sheltered or I don't know what life is like for other people (other people of course meaning you) but you don't know what it's like to live in Sodak either. So shut your pie hole.
Also, way to miss AND play into my point about first impressions at the same time. Well done.[/QUOTE]
Life in South Dakota...lol
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makare
Yeah sometime you'll have to explain why the only people who get to be people are the ones who live like you do.
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Chazwozel
Ask all those damn noisy, dirty Italians.
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Chazwozel
I hear they're not as noisy or dirty as Italy though.
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makare
Ask all those damn noisy, dirty Italians.[/QUOTE]
I never said the Italians weren't people. I said the country was dirty and noise which it is. Just like Sodak is flat and if you refuse to leave the interstate, barren looking.
I see we are playing "Chaz knows he is wrong but has to dick it up to save face" again.
Well have fun with that. I retire from that game.
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