Finally you idiot home builders are getting the idea

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http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/no-mcmansions-for-millennials.html

No McMansions for Millennials



By S. Mitra Kalita and Robbie Whelan, WSJ.com
Jan 14, 2011







Here's what Generation Y doesn't want: formal living rooms, soaker bathtubs, dependence on a car.
In other words, they don't want their parents' homes.
Much of this week's National Association of Home Builders conference has dwelled on the housing needs of an aging baby boomer population. But their children actually represent an even larger demographic. An estimated 80 million people comprise the category known as "Gen Y," youth born roughly between 1980 and the early 2000s. The boomers, meanwhile, boast 76 million.


Gen Y housing preferences are the subject of at least two panels at this week's convention. A key finding: They want to walk everywhere. Surveys show that 13% carpool to work, while 7% walk, said Melina Duggal, a principal with Orlando-based real estate adviser RCLCO. A whopping 88% want to be in an urban setting, but since cities themselves can be so expensive, places with shopping, dining and transit such as Bethesda and Arlington in the Washington suburbs will do just fine.
"One-third are willing to pay for the ability to walk," Ms. Duggal said. "They don't want to be in a cookie-cutter type of development. ...The suburbs will need to evolve to be attractive to Gen Y."
Outdoor space is important-but please, just a place to put the grill and have some friends over. Lawn-mowing not desired. Amenities such as fitness centers, game rooms and party rooms are important ("Is the room big enough to host a baby shower?" a millennial might think). "Outdoor fire pits," suggested Tony Weremeichik of Canin Associates, an architecture firm in Orlando. "Consider designing outdoor spaces as if they were living rooms."
Smaller rooms and fewer cavernous hallways to get everywhere, a bigger shower stall and skip the tub, he said. Oh, but don't forget space in front of the television for the Wii, and space to eat meals while glued to the tube, because dinner parties and families gathered around the table are so last-Gen. And maybe a little nook in the laundry room for Rover's bed?
In his presentation, KTGY Group residential designer David Senden showed slide after slide of dwellings that looked like a cross between a hotel lobby and the set of "Melrose Place."
He christened the subset of the generation delaying marriage and family as "dawdlers."
"A house in the suburbs is not for them," Mr. Senden said. "At least not yet."
Places to congregate are more important than a big apartment, he cautioned. He showed one layout of a studio apartment-350 square feet, as big as Mom and Dad's Great Room. Common space has migrated to "club rooms," he said, where Gen-Y residents can host meals and hang out before heading to a common movie-screening room or rooftop swimming pool that they share with the building's other tenants.
The Great Recession and its effects on young people's wages will affect how much home they can buy or rent for years to come.
"Not too many college grads can afford a lot of space in the city," he said. "Think lots of amenities with little tiny units-and a lot of them to keep (fees) down. ...The things these places are doing is constantly coordinating activities. The residents get to know each other and it makes for a much livelier and friendlier environment."
God, I thought my wife and I were the only ones who noticed this. EVERY new build we looked at focused on the wrong things. We don't want a "formal" living room. We want a huge family room area that'll get used. Instead of wasting space on a formal living room, expand the family and dining rooms. I hate cramped dining rooms! We don't give a fuck about a whirlpool tub; we want a large bathroom that's not the size of a room itself. The master bedrooms for some of these houses are ridiculously huge. All you do in there is sleep, watch TV, and make babies. Why do I need a 20x 17 master suite?
 
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Joe Johnson

Yeah, I acknowledge having a huge closet in a master suite would be awesome, but the size of some of the actual bedrooms themselves seems...stupid. My in-laws have a set up like that, where it's practically it's own living space besides just the bed/dresser/etc. I've never once seen them use any of the space in their except to sleep. If they watch TV in their, it's from their bed, not the chairs. I have a feeling 90 percent of the chairs/couches in these rooms end up just being yet another place to throw dirty clothes. Sort of like how treadmills end up being ad-hoc coat racks.
 
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Jiarn

The main reason I chose the apartment I'm currently in, is because the dining room/living room and the open kitchen create an amazingly open and useable space. I seperate the "living room" with an L-Shaped couch but it doesn't feel cramped and claustrophbic in the space or the dining space. I know when I build, it will be similar.
 
And the prices are ridiculous. An average 2000 sq ft house in my area goes for like 200k to 250k. A new build with like 1800 sq ft goes for 260k. Highway robbery.
 
Actually, there is another trend: Exurbs. Suburbs that are practically rural, but self contained, full of meaninglessly big houses, golf courses, and other lavish affairs. It's basically another attempt to recreate "Small Town America", only you have the industry be based around tech companies and not manufacture. They are basically gated communities taken to the extreme, as they are practically gated towns.

Also no minorities or poor people. These were made by rich people, for rich people, in order to escape the integration of the classes that increased during the 90's, thanks to the strong economy. It's funny; the entire history of urban development in the US has been influenced by rich, usually white people trying to get away from poor, usually not white people, and they just keep moving further and further away.
 
Actually, there is another trend: Exurbs. Suburbs that are practically rural, but self contained, full of meaninglessly big houses, golf courses, and other lavish affairs. It's basically another attempt to recreate "Small Town America", only you have the industry be based around tech companies and not manufacture. They are basically gated communities taken to the extreme, as they are practically gated towns.

Also no minorities or poor people. These were made by rich people, for rich people, in order to escape the integration of the classes that increased during the 90's, thanks to the strong economy. It's funny; the entire history of urban development in the US has been influenced by rich, usually white people trying to get away from poor, usually not white people, and they just keep moving further and further away.
A rich white community with no minorities you say.... hmmmm...


I kid, I kid.
 
1800 sq ft. Maybe when I win the lottery or something. Shit like that is 600-700k here.

On topic, I hate separate dining rooms. Ideally the kitchen, dining and living room are one big space wherein I choose how to separate the 'zones' if you will. Like placing an L shaped sofa like Jiarn said.
 
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Jiarn

I know Jay would be interested in that.....

I kid I kid!

But seriously, Koreans, stay off his lawn. -wink-
 
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