Rep. Ryan's Budget Proposal: Bold, backwards, or both?

[Dei]

Calling Republicans evil, I think, is getting a little drastic. Calling the Tea Party a bunch of psycho idiots less so. From what I can see, the Republican majority in the House is getting fucked by these first term Tea Partiers who have no clue how the government should be run whatsoever, but they have just enough of a representation to make it nearly impossible for a sensible compromise to even start to form. Of course, Democrats and Republicans are both playing chicken right now it seems, to see who can hold out the longest before making a last minute decision to keep the government from shutting down. (Of course, the fact that the government is even allowed to shut down at all is also completely ridiculous to me, gg poor planning)

 

[Krisken]

I love planned parenthood. Simply by providing womens services and preventing unplanned pregnancies for people who can't afford birth control methods, they save millions of dollars in medical fees to the states.

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Three percent of all Planned Parenthood health services are abortion services.
Planned Parenthood affiliates provide educational programs to nearly 1.2 million young people and adults each year.
Planned Parenthood has more than four million activists, supporters, and donors working for women's health and safety and our fundamental reproductive rights.

 

[Dave]

But see, Dei, here's the thing. Boner and his spineless Democratic counterpart got together and pounded out a pretty good deal. They both agreed and they were there. Reid came back and said, "We are very close to a deal. It was productive and I feel GREAT!!" (paraphrasing)

Then Boner took the plan back to his people. The TEA BAGGERS said, "Nope!" and they turned the whole thing down. Why? These riders. Because compassion, charity and cooperation are not in their vocabulary. Because they REFUSE to back down AT ALL and compromise even ONE IOTA of their points. And Boner and the Republicans just go along with it, making them just as culpable as those whom you have called psycho idiots.

 

[SpecialKO]

And Boner and the Republicans just go along with it, making them just as culpable as those whom you have called psycho idiots.

Hey now, don't blame Charlie for this mess!

 

[Sara_2814]

Notice how almost nothing was done to the Legislative branch.

"Almost nothing?" My God, man! They've prohibited the upgrading of Congressional committee rooms! Isn't that enough? How much more suffering and hardship must our poor Congressmen endure during this shutdown?!

 

[drifter]

Can anyone explain to me why this happens, seemingly often? I feel like I knew the answer a couple years ago, but I seem to have forgotten now how the Republicans get the poor to blindly vote for them over and over as they continue getting screwed by the GOP's policies.

Actually got this from the comments section from SpecialKO's link about raycess 'ssippians; I suppose this explanation works as well as any other.

"...it is simply a movement to maintain white Christian cultural hegemony."

 

[Dave]

And I apologize for my tone, but I am frustrated at the idiots, angry at the lies and political posturing those in power are taking and the fact that even though this is getting reported people are being WILLFULLY IGNORANT about what is going on! I live in a very red state and the things I hear around me are just fucking lies and spins of the truth and these people just don't CARE!

ARGH!!

 

[Covar]

I say they leave the taxes alone, and cut say 15% across the board. loddy-doddy-everybody. Not enough? I'd be up for cutting more.

 

[Dei]

I think it comes down to the idea that spending needs to be reined in, everyone KNOWS it needs to be reined in, and we are now at the point where we waited too long, and the extremists are in a place to disrupt everything. Quite frankly I'm sick of the whining blame game going on. Honestly I would be pretty shocked if the government does make it to the point of shutdown, but I really do feel both parties are to blame, just because they both let crazy spending go on to the point where the a group like the Tea Party could get into positions of actual power.

 

[Covar]

That's because people ignore that there are poor white people.

There's poor white people?

huh. They say you learn something new everyday.

 

[Adam]

I don't want to pick apart your words too much, Adammon, because they were very reasonably stated, but it sounds like you think that pro-choice people, by default, see Abortion as an "oopsy". It also sounds like you think PP is primarily in the service of providing abortions. Is that correct, and if it is, is there a reason why you see it that way?

I don't think pro-choice see it as an oopsy. I think that a culture is being created where it's used as a solution for an oopsy. Having an abortion 4 or 5 times, aside from the harm it does to your body, is a bit much. Kinda like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer and wondering why you start getting headaches.
PP performs about 1/5th of the abortions in the US. However, they also do adoption placement and referrals, provide counselling and birth control. I just used PP in the example of an action, not to single out PP as the big bad.

 

[Espy]

I don't think pro-choice see it as an oopsy. I think that a culture is being created where it's used as a solution for an oopsy. Having an abortion 4 or 5 times, aside from the harm it does to your body, is a bit much. Kinda like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer and wondering why you start getting headaches.
PP performs about 1/5th of the abortions in the US. However, they also do adoption placement and referrals, provide counselling and birth control. I just used PP in the example of an action, not to single out PP as the big bad.

And not to open an abortion debate here but different people are going to view different reasons for getting the procedure as "oopsy" reasons. For one person using it as birth control instead of condoms would qualify and for another doing it because you don't think you can afford another kid would qualify. No matter where you stand though there is a obvious line between convenience and medical necessity, which really only underlines the need for more and better instruction about birth control and family planning (I know, I know, as a conservative I'm not supposed to advocate for that stuff...)

 

[Adam]

And not to open an abortion debate here but different people are going to view different reasons for getting the procedure as "oopsy" reasons. For one person using it as birth control instead of condoms would qualify and for another doing it because you don't think you can afford another kid would qualify. No matter where you stand though there is a obvious line between convenience and medical necessity, which really only underlines the need for more and better instruction about birth control and family planning (I know, I know, as a conservative I'm not supposed to advocate for that stuff...)

And that's what I believe PP's mandate should be. And they do a relatively good job of it with a few bad eggs (Which are in any organization)

 

[MindDetective]

Cigarettes are not birth control, Republican baby! I know you're really a shill for Philip Morris!

 

[sixpackshaker]

I still want to know where Bachman's drive thru abortion clinic is...

Then the Fox News set eat that rhetoric up.

 

[Espy]

Cigarettes are not birth control, Republican baby! I know you're really a shill for Philip Morris!

 

[MindDetective]

Am I ready for MSNBC now?

 

[Espy]

Am I ready for MSNBC now?

 

[Adam]

Am I ready for MSNBC now?

You already have more viewers than Keith Olbermann

 

[Krisken]

You already have more viewers than Keith Olbermann

And not just because he no longer works there, eh?

 

[Adam]

And not just because he no longer works there, eh?

 

[Zappit]

So we pay into Social Security all our lives, then we can't get it when we need it? And we get to give it to the rich folks who don't need it as tax breaks? Sign me up and brain me with a brick!

God help us come 2012 if the Tea Party keeps up its insane momentum. They'll screw us all back to 1902. Hopefully, the sane will turn out in record numbers and reject these nutjobs.

 

[DarkAudit]

When folks like Rand Paul start speaking out against miner safety regulations as overly restrictive on coal operators, and so ignorant of the labor history of his OWN STATE, I can't really think of him as evil. That would require actual thought.

Someone like that can no longer even be considered as human. They are cyborg simulacrums who can only spout preprogrammed talking points provided by their corporate masters.

After the 1968 Farmington disaster, WV miners had to defy the government and their own union to stand up for mine safety regs that wouldn't kill them before age 50 *if they were lucky*. Folks like Paul would send us back to those dark days.

 

[Covar]

So we pay into Social Security all our lives, then we can't get it when we need it? And we get to give it to the rich folks who don't need it as tax breaks? Sign me up and brain me with a brick!

God help us come 2012 if the Tea Party keeps up its insane momentum. They'll screw us all back to 1902. Hopefully, the sane will turn out in record numbers and reject these nutjobs.

You actually expect to receive Social Security when you get older? How long have you held onto that notion?

 

[Krisken]

You actually expect to receive Social Security when you get older? How long have you held onto that notion?

I do until the Republicans get their way and give it to Wall Street.

 

[Covar]

Please at the rate their going, it's either going to be gone, privatized or require recipients to be 93 or older.

 

[Krisken]

Please at the rate their going, it's either going to be gone, privatized or require recipients to be 93 or older.

That bastion of Liberalism, Rueters, doesn't agree.

• Social Security benefits are not gobbling up the U.S. economy. Benefits are equal to 4.9 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) this year, and will rise to just 6.2 percent in 2035, when all baby boomers will be 65 or older, according to last year’s Social Security trustees’ report. After 2035, Social Security expenditures are projected to stay around that percent of GDP through 2085, according to Virginia Reno, vice president for income security at the National Academy of Social Insurance.

• Social Security had a $2.5 trillion surplus in 2009, a number that will hit $3.8 trillion in 2020, according to the Economic Policy Institute. The surplus has been accumulating since implementation of the last Social Security reform measures in 1983.

What does this mean? If greedy bastards keep their grubby fingers off of it, it will be fine.

 

[Zappit]

What does this mean? If greedy bastards keep their grubby fingers off of it, it will be fine.

BIG if.

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

Eat the rich.