North_Ranger
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As much as I respect Noam Chomsky as a linguist, I have to admit his political opinions are more than a little jarring to me.
Bin laden is dead!
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I don't even like Chomsky as a linguist, to be honest.
While I get where he's coming from, I have a tough time taking seriously anyone who doesn't source his interpretation of news events in this day and age.
His point on not knowing for certain who was responsible is quite true, but there is a difference between saying "Bin Laden was responsible" and "al-Qaeda is responsible". The FBI knew almost immediately that the hijackers were members of AQ. It was Bin Laden's direct connection that didn't get verified until he took responsibility in 2004. Which was 7 years ago.
To the crux of it, was his death legal? It's a good question, and it needs to be investigated and established that it was, but again, when Chomsky doesn't bother to back up his claims that it wasn't, it's hard to take him seriously on this topic.
Also, this is just stupid:
His point on not knowing for certain who was responsible is quite true, but there is a difference between saying "Bin Laden was responsible" and "al-Qaeda is responsible". The FBI knew almost immediately that the hijackers were members of AQ. It was Bin Laden's direct connection that didn't get verified until he took responsibility in 2004. Which was 7 years ago.
To the crux of it, was his death legal? It's a good question, and it needs to be investigated and established that it was, but again, when Chomsky doesn't bother to back up his claims that it wasn't, it's hard to take him seriously on this topic.
Also, this is just stupid:
While the treatment of American Indian tribes by the US government/colonists is an undeniable shameful black mark upon our history that has still not been fully redressed, naming weapons 100 years later after a warrior culture that thousands, possibly millions, of Americans proudly trace their roots back to is not the same as the Nazis naming planes after people they were currently systematically trying to exterminate.
Yeah, what kind of a word us Chomsky
You're right, it's not the same, because we did successfully exterminate Native Americans.
No, you didn't.
To our shame, we certainly did. You must have missed the part of my post where I mentioned that we haven't redressed it yet.
Uh, hello! Right here? -.-
I don't know what this "we" shit is, I was born in 1976.
You're 'white' Krisken, so you're guilty by association.*
*Completely ludicrous claim.
Indeed. I also have some Menomonee tribe in me, so I must be a self hater.We. As a nation, as a people. For all your needling me about it, y'all have a victim complex.
I... just.... what... God... FFFFFFFUUUU....
HOW? EVERY FREAKIN' TIME? HOW THE HELL?!
Also, Cherokee and Chippewa here. DEAL WITH IT.
HOW? EVERY FREAKIN' TIME? HOW THE HELL?!
Also, Cherokee and Chippewa here. DEAL WITH IT.
Except the non-caucasians and the women.
Well, it's true that only white landowning males were making important decisions back when we slaughtered the Native Americans.
So was it was the intent of the Person in Charge to mock or violate the native american cultures by naming military vehicles after them? Huh.
Apologies, I felt that arguing with TLB as to degrees of extermination was just a fail way to go. Of course it's more nuanced than that.
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According to Chomsky, and apparently TLB, it is. Which says a whole hell of a lot right there.
And the people who immigrated after all the land was already taken.
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Shit if I know, man.
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Chickasaw via my great-great grandma.
figmentPez
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But if you exclude them, you'd almost have to exclude anyone who was born after the land was already taken, but clearly that wasn't his intention. It's just so much easier to blame based on gender and race.
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Jiarn
Yeah, also, don't try and call him out on his obvious trolling. You'll get an infraction. -eyeroll-
He's trying too hard in this thread anyway.
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Jiarn
Would argue, but don't want to get in trouble. -wink-
I'm liking all your posts, Jiarn, out of solidarity and stuff.
Certainly looks that way.
Huh. I didn't know warning was spelled i-n-f-r-a-c-t-i-o-n. See, 'cuz I went back and looked at the post in question, and sure enough it said "infraction" underneath.
By the way, you can't give me an infraction for this post. The rules are if you post things in a snarky, self-righteous way while belittling other people's opinions, then you are untouchable. Anyone who complains about my troll attempt would get an infraction, though.
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