Duke Nukem Forever Demo is Live... for First Access Club Members!

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AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Go ahead and get it, if you pre-ordered the game or bought Borderlands: GOTY. Everyone else needs to wait a few days.

My thoughts? First level is awesome. They really emphasize the action once the aliens show up by playing the Duke music to get you pumped. Using the Devastator is fun because it feels powerful. The environment looks great.

Second level? Not so much... there's hardly any music, few enemies, and some of the weapons don't feel very powerful. The shotgun doesn't have any kick to it and Ripper feels like it should be louder at least. The pistol, Shrinker, and RPG are all fine though and the pipebomb is REALLY fun to use. However, there are stretches where enemies don't show up and those kinda... lull. They really didn't pace things very well in the demo. They should have given us more enemies to shoot and the music should have been playing.

I DO like how the EGO meter works though: It recharges naturally like shields in other games but it also charges by killing enemies and doing other bad ass things. This seems perfect for Duke... if your feeling invincible, you should BE invincible.
 
Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix

I loved it... has that old feel of Duke Nukem 3D.

I disagree about the shotgun though... it felt badass... and was pretty much all I used. I love that gun!
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

The demo was too short and buggy, but gameplay wise it was nice...well except the 2 weapon limit... at least allow us to use the pistol besides the 2 weapons.

But as others pointed out it's an old build, the newest one has a nuclear symbol when it's saving checkpoints...
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

But at least half the reasons they give are things fans of old school shooters should be able to appreciate...
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

@Li3n said:
But at least half the reasons they give are things fans of old school shooters should be able to appreciate...
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Basically this. This is definitely a retro game and as a result it suffers from a lot of the same problems that plagues entries prior to Halo/Half-Life. The people who were expecting some kind of revolutionary game after 12 years are completely missing the point and refusing to enjoy the game for what it is, rather than what they wanted it to be.

Besides, Gearbox never promised that the game would be excellent... only that it would be. I'm actually kinda surprised at how honest they were about the whole thing.
 
GasBandit

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Frankly I find most of my frustrations with the game not to be the "outdated humor" or old paradigms all the "big time" reviewers bitch about... my gripes are the enforced non-duke "modernized" gaming tropes. The 2 weapon limit. The slow, plodding movement speed. The limited sprint that denies actions while sprinting. The "you're injured so your eyes are covered with blood and you can't see shit" thing. Instead of being able to carry tons of weapons and ammo with intermittent, rare refills like in Duke3D, now inventory is limited and you get maybe 4 reloads before empty, but dropped weaponry is ubiquitous. And OH MY GOD THE LOADING TIMES AND FREQUENCY.

The thing I liked best about Duke 3d multiplayer back in the day was all of us sprint-strafing around like mad firing off 50 RPGs until finally somebody gets explodingly, messily dead. There's not a single thing in that last sentence which you can do in DNF.

However, I'm really digging the novelty levels - shrunk Duke jumping across a shelves and furniture, the driving levels, etc.. I like the railgun, and the RPG launcher having a lock-on is interesting. Pipe bombs are a blast. Shotgun seems anemic, and the ripper is way too inaccurate and low damage. So far I'm 50 50 on the game... we'll see how it ends.
 
Frank

Frank

Pretty much what Gas just said. AND FUUCK again on those load times. The first time I loaded a saved game I thought it had frozen it was taking so long.
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

Chibibar said:
I try to play it but getting dizzy after 20 minutes :(
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The original Return to Castle Wolfenstein used to make us dizzy as hell after 10-15 minutes... we'd take turns playing it. One of my father's friends had it and we and his kids would play it all the time, taking turns sitting on the couch to recover. Great times.
 
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Chibibar

@Li3n said:
The original Return to Castle Wolfenstein used to make us dizzy as hell after 10-15 minutes... we'd take turns playing it. One of my father's friends had it and we and his kids would play it all the time, taking turns sitting on the couch to recover. Great times.
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Of course the rain drop "covering face" and the "drunk blur" didn't help either... bleh!
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

It's funny, in the old days i though the games moved a bit too fast, making you dizzy, but nowadays i fond most shooters are too slow... i'm guessing because controllers aren't as fast as a mouse when it comes to turning...
 
Shakey

Shakey

GasBandit said:
The thing I liked best about Duke 3d multiplayer back in the day was all of us sprint-strafing around like mad firing off 50 RPGs until finally somebody gets explodingly, messily dead. There's not a single thing in that last sentence which you can do in DNF.
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I loved doing this so much. I wish I had the money to pick up DNF right now.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Does anyone else remember the crazy rocket jumping antics people would get up to in quake and other games? To the point where some of the very best maps REQUIRED the abuse of rocket jumping and the low gravity just to get around? THAT is what I miss most about old school gaming.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

That reminds me of an old Quake 2 video I remember from pre-Youtube where the guy managed to rocket jump across the screen so quickly, he could turn the first-person camera into a 3rd-person camera, because it was technically free-floating on your face.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Shakey said:
I loved doing this so much. I wish I had the money to pick up DNF right now.
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I don't think you read my sentence correctly. I said there's not a single thing in that sentence you CAN do in DNF. You can't sprint sideways (or even at a diagonal), you can't shoot (or reload) while sprinting, you get "winded" after sprinting for a while, you carry a maximum of 5 RPG rounds, and even sprinting you feel like you're not moving very fast compared to Duke3D.
 
Shakey

Shakey

GasBandit said:
I don't think you read my sentence correctly. I said there's not a single thing in that sentence you CAN do in DNF. You can't sprint sideways (or even at a diagonal), you can't shoot (or reload) while sprinting, you get "winded" after sprinting for a while, you carry a maximum of 5 RPG rounds, and even sprinting you feel like you're not moving very fast compared to Duke3D.
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No, I got what you said. I just mashed my thoughts together. Read them as two separate posts. sometimesi getallworkedupand cantform a cohesivethought anditallsortofmashestogether andidontknowwhatthehellishappeningso isaystuffthatmeanswhati knowitmeans to mebutit turnsouttomean somethingelse.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Surprised no one has mentioned this: PR Company representative sends tweets stating that those who are "too harsh" on Duke Nukem Forever may find themselves blacklisted from receiving future titles.

Speaking as someone who's seen blacklisting happen (former coworker was blacklisted from Neversoft games after trashing Tony Hawk Underground 2), I'm not surprised to hear that they would do this but I am surprised that someone would be dumb enough to state it officially on Twitter. They've since apologized for the statement but it does show you why it's hard to find a trustworthy news/review source in the games industry these days.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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AshburnerX said:
Surprised no one has mentioned this: PR Company representative sends tweets stating that those who are "too harsh" on Duke Nukem Forever may find themselves blacklisted from receiving future titles.

Speaking as someone who's seen blacklisting happen (former coworker was blacklisted from Neversoft games after trashing Tony Hawk Underground 2), I'm not surprised to hear that they would do this but I am surprised that someone would be dumb enough to state it officially on Twitter. They've since apologized for the statement but it does show you why it's hard to find a trustworthy news/review source in the games industry these days.
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That PR firm also got dropped for that.
 
Jay

Jay

Many reviews look jaded and disappointed. I even read a woman review the game calling it sexist.

She greatly missed the point as many "critics" who once again I'll state, "can suck my di-"

As some pointed out before, the humor in this game is a lot of satire and lots of nods to old school gaming. Is the game great? No. Is it good? Not really. But deserves a solid gameplay at least once.
 
Frank

Frank

The sexist part comes from the parts, I imagine,
where girls are being raped by tentacle things while moaning then screaming, "Don't dump us Duke, we can lose the pregnancy weight," before you can murder them and quip, "They weren't even human anymore."
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Frankie Williamson said:
The sexist part comes from the parts, I imagine,
where girls are being raped by tentacle things while moaning then screaming, "Don't dump us Duke, we can lose the pregnancy weight," before you can murder them and quip, "They weren't even human anymore."
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Five seconds later you can slap a set (3) of alien breasts growing from the wall for an Ego Meter increase. Truly this is a game with mature themes.
 
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Raemon777

AshburnerX said:
Five seconds later you can slap a set (3) of alien breasts growing from the wall for an Ego Meter increase. Truly this is a game with mature themes.
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Up until I saw some the videos for that section, I had mentalled filed Duke's misogyny as "dumb and ignorable." I don't see a reason to get in a tizzy over every sexist game or movie. In some ways I'm actually less offended by Duke than I am by every other game that features sexed up women with no personality - with Duke, you know exactly what you're getting. You know it's ridiculous and are enjoying it for the ridiculousness. Whereas I suspect other games subtly alter your perception of "normal" and actually contribute to a world that still has a lot of sexism in it.

Then I watched this, and read some commentary from people who'd played the game without realizing how far it went (one person identified himself as a sadomasochist in real life), and god, this shit is just sick. The knowledge that SOMEWHERE out there are people who enjoy sitting around watching women get raped by aliens, making immature comments about it, and then killing them, makes my skin crawl in a way worse than even the worst japanese porn that I've stumbled across.

(Okay, I've stumbled upon some really horrifying japanese porn. It's a toss up. But still, jesus)
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

Frankie Williamson said:
There's a difference between humourous portrayal and outright misogyny.
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Unless you're Duke Nukem and your shades obstruct your view of the difference!

Seriously, the pod women where not something new, see at 2:40 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6JcZv3wPuU

And here: http://dukenukem.wikia.com/wiki/Babes

And Duke 3D was called sexist by people for the same reason, look it up...

Raemon777 said:
Up until I saw some the videos for that section,
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Ok, the crying is a bit too obviously someone's fetish...
 
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