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On the other, the Dawn of the Dead remake veered well away from Romero's version and although it failed to make any commentary whatsoever, it managed to be a pretty rockin' mindless action-horror flick worth revisiting from time to time. This could be the same...
But then I can just re-watch the Dawn of the Dead re-make.

If you're going to adapt something for another medium, you need to make an effort to keep as much of what made that original thing great, and the terrifying inevitability that the WWZ zombies have is tied up in their movement and behavior.

Not saying they can't have found some other way, but this makes me doubtful, is all.
 
That's what I've said about every bad remake that uses just the name of the source material then creates it's own movie. I've never understood the purpose. I mean I get they're trying to get butts in the seats but it's a bait and switch and I'm sick of it.
 
I think that every time there's a good re-make/re-imagining, someone in a position of hollywood power convinces themselves that all the crappy re-makes were flukes, and this next one is going to do amazing.
 
The zombies in the Walking Dead don't run. They kinda stumble quickly sometimes, but they don't run like that.
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That's what I've said about every bad remake that uses just the name of the source material then creates it's own movie. I've never understood the purpose. I mean I get they're trying to get butts in the seats but it's a bait and switch and I'm sick of it.
Yeah, I hate that. small changes, okay, I can get behind that. I like to not know exactly what's going to happen next. For example, the changes in Lord of the Rings don't bother me too much, save for the exclusion of the Hobbits saving the Shire at the end, and expanding Arwen's role just because she was the biggest star going in. But I was not one of those people who cried foul at the condensed timeline or the explanation of the Uruk-Hai.

But deviating drastically, so as to alter themes or remove important elements of the story, just change the title. Your ruse is transparent and its aggrevating.
Dawn of the Dead atleast kept the mall part, but still managed to lose the commentary on consumerism, and by removing the human's as real danger, completely missed the point. I never saw the "remake" of Day of the Dead, because they didn't even bother to get the setting right on that one.
 
That's what I've said about every bad remake that uses just the name of the source material then creates it's own movie. I've never understood the purpose. I mean I get they're trying to get butts in the seats but it's a bait and switch and I'm sick of it.
For example: Doom.

They had ONE fucking plotline to follow. ONE! Lone space marine battles on Mars as a portal to hell opens up. They could of even had a team of space marines. All you needed was Mars and Hellspawn. That's it. Anything else was fair game. What did they go with? Evil mutant genomic bullshit that makes people into evil zombies (or some shit like that). HOW DO YOU FUCK UP THE ONLY PLOT THAT MAKES UP THE ENTIRETY OF THE SOURCE!?!?!?
 
Oh man, videogame movies really are the prime example of this. I swear, if they would just actually faithfully adapt a plot driven videogame into a movie rather than alter the storylines completely into something woefully generic.... well that's a rant for another time. *still clings to hope that someone will actually do that one day*
 
Oh man, videogame movies really are the prime example of this. I swear, if they would just actually faithfully adapt a plot driven videogame into a movie rather than alter the storylines completely into something woefully generic.... well that's a rant for another time. *still clings to hope that someone will actually do that one day*
I don't get the motivation to do so either. Is it some bullshit artistic twist by directors? They always seem to have to "make it their own." I understand the need to alter some things from the source material of everything, but some things are just horribly "re-imagined".
 
I don't get the motivation to do so either. Is it some bullshit artistic twist by directors? They always seem to have to "make it their own." I understand the need to alter some things from the source material of everything, but some things are just horribly "re-imagined".
I also hate how some makers of video game movies feel the need to make sure everyone know it's from a video game, like references to gamey shit like "Game Over" in Street Fighter or the first-person parts of Doom, or the cutscene-styled exposition bit "Congratulations!" from Silent Hill.
 
I also hate how some makers of video game movies feel the need to make sure everyone know it's from a video game, like references to gamey shit like "Game Over" in Street Fighter or the first-person parts of Doom, or the cutscene-styled exposition bit "Congratulations!" from Silent Hill.
I don't remember that part.
 
What bothers me most about remakes is just how useless they are. I can count on one hand the number of times the remake was as good or better than the original.

Let Me In was just as good as the Swedish version, since it did some things better (like focusing on the kids more than the neighbours) although the special effects were terrible in the remake.
Some people have said The Departed is better than the original. I've never seen it, so I can't say.

But mostly, they're just terrible. Why not save that money, use a small portion of it to clean up the picture of the original, and just re-release it?

What bothers me more though, are foreign movies remade. Trollhunter, for example, is now getting a remake. Let the Right One In was already a great movie. If people were a little more open minded about movies in another language, we wouldn't need to remake them!

But then there's some that are even in English that are remade, which just makes absolutely no sense to me. Death at a Funeral, for example! A brilliant British comedy that's remade into a generic black comedy. There's talk of an American version of a highly praised Canadian TV show, Little Mosque on the Prairie. Why would they need to remake it?! It's right there in its fifth season! They didn't remake The Trailer Park Boys and that was (I believe) pretty damn popular in the U.S. Popular enough for two movies, at least.
 
Let Me In was not as good, and did things worse. (opinion)

Quarantine destroyed probably one of the greatest horror movies ever made (*REC)

Psycho remake was shot-for-shot and still horrendous.

Though Charlie's Angels was amazing.

Transition to film is always a mixed bag. Some do damn well (Lord of the Rings/Harry Potter) others are god awful. Games to movies are even worse.

My point? If you're going to make a remake/transition film, stay faithful to the source material or just make something original please?
 
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has anyone put that clip in this thread to the Benny Hill Sax theme yet?
 
There are more good remakes and adaptations than people readily admit. It's just that there are such terrible ones as well that the good remakes get overshadowed. I agree with what's been said about keeping true to the original, though. If you're going to drastically alter the plot and/or direction of the film, don't bother using the same name.
 
Ocean's 11.
The Departed.
The Magnificent Seven.
3:10 to Yuma
Little Shop of Horrors
Fistful of Dollars
The Man Who Knew Too Much (may not count, since Hitchcock did them both)
Dawn of the Dead (debatably, if not faithfully)

Not comprehensive, just off the top of my head
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heck, Scarface.
 
Dawn of the Dead is VERY debatable. I like it and it's one of the few zombie movies I own, but it still has running zombies, which is an endless debate.

I don't know if I'd call Magnificent Seven or Fistful of Dollars exact remakes. Yeah, they follow a similar story structure to Seven Samurai and Yojimbo respectively, but they're not out-and-out remakes. They're different enough to be considered seperate units.

Scarface was a remake?
 
Dawn of the Dead is VERY debatable. I like it and it's one of the few zombie movies I own, but it still has running zombies, which is an endless debate.
I'm assuming you mean that change in theme and pacing brought about by the running zombies makes it debatable, not the running zombies themselves. Whether zombies run or not is not the point, it's what running zombies does to the focus and theme of zombie films. Sorry, in a film-geeky mood. :p

I don't know if I'd call Magnificent Seven or Fistful of Dollars exact remakes. Yeah, they follow a similar story structure to Seven Samurai and Yojimbo respectively, but they're not out-and-out remakes. They're different enough to be considered seperate units.
FoD fair enough, but Mag7 is very much an explicit remake, they even adapted the original script, not just the story.

Scarface was a remake?
Very much so.
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The Thing
I didn't see the original, but does this one really count? I've heard it's more a second try at adapting the original novella than a straight re-make. Quibbling, of course. ;)
 
Great examples posted so far. I would also include True Grit, The Birdcage, The Ring, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Cape Fear, Father of the Bride, The Italian Job, Fright Night, and Insomnia. So there really are some great remakes, it's just that the bad ones are easier to remember for whatever reason.
 
I think alot of people confuse "remake" with "transition" film. Transition films are overwhelmingly worse than good.
 
I'm assuming you mean that change in theme and pacing brought about by the running zombies makes it debatable, not the running zombies themselves. Whether zombies run or not is not the point, it's what running zombies does to the focus and theme of zombie films. Sorry, in a film-geeky mood. :p

FoD fair enough, but Mag7 is very much an explicit remake, they even adapted the original script, not just the story.
Ah. So they just changed the names and setting, basically? I stand corrected on that.

As far as running zombies go, I mean the running zombies themselves. I'm a zombie purist and hate running zombies. It takes away the horrific eventuality that, yeah they're slow, but you'll exhaust yourselve. They won't. But let's please not get into that argument again. We've had it multiple, multiple, multiple times on the board.
 

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I liked both Dawns, but they were most definitely different movies. The new dawn, even with my dislike of running zombies, was overall scarier to me (geez, the opening few minutes made me check out the windows), but it lacked the subtlety and the brains (ha!) of the original. Then on the other hand, it kind of has to be a different movie to be worth watching in my opinion.
 
I don't know if I'd call Magnificent Seven or Fistful of Dollars exact remakes. Yeah, they follow a similar story structure to Seven Samurai and Yojimbo respectively, but they're not out-and-out remakes. They're different enough to be considered seperate units.
I read that Leone admitted he outright was remaking Yojimbo, and just didn't know that he needed permission for that and Kurosowa was quoted as saying something along the lines of "It is a very good movie. But it is MY movie". They were also similar enough that Kurosowa won a lawsuit against Leone, if memory serves.

Good Remakes I can think of:
3:10 to Yuma
True Grit
The Producers
The Lion King

Good Adaptations I can think of:
Captain America
Iron Man
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight
X-Men
X2: X-Men United
The Princess Bride
Lord of the Rings
300
Jurassic Park
Scott Pilgrim vs the World...
Yeah, this list could go on. I mean, I'm mostly sticking within the last 10 years or so. There are a lot. I still think there's 3-4 terrible ones for every good one though. But really, thats actually probably better than Hollywood's overall average.
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I liked both Dawns, but they were most definitely different movies. The new dawn, even with my dislike of running zombies, was overall scarier to me (geez, the opening few minutes made me check out the windows), but it lacked the subtlety and the brains (ha!) of the original. Then on the other hand, it kind of has to be a different movie to be worth watching in my opinion.
That's all I was sayin'. haha
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I've never seen the old Scarface, but I knew it existed. We talked about it briefly in my History of World Mafias class (seriously). Didn't actually realize the two movies had anything to do with eachother though. I find it funny that TWO movies have been made called Scarface and neither are about Al Capone.
 

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There are rare occasions where the movie outshines the book, and The Princess Bride is one in my opinion. It's almost unsurprising, given that Goldman was arguably a better screenwriter than a novelist, even by his own admission.
 
I haven't read the book, but that seems to be the general consensus. The Princess Bride is a fantastic movie though, for sure. I forced my friend to watch it about a month ago, she'd never seen it before and she hates fantasy. She wasn't paying attention at first, but near the end she was asking the same questions the kid in the movie was.
 
Wasn't Douglas Adams pretty involved with Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (I'm not sure how far they were into production before he died though).
 
Wasn't Douglas Adams pretty involved with Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (I'm not sure how far they were into production before he died though).
I'm pretty sure he was dead way before it ever actually went into production. I know he was pretty heavily involved in the script writing though... and he intentionally changed a lot of stuff because he liked to make each adaption a bit different. This is why the radio plays are different from the book, which is different from the movie.
 
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