Anon is just a bunch of internet idiots in Guy Fawkes masks with signs...

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Dave

Dave

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I'm of two minds about Anon. On the one hand they do some amazing and great things and now that they've actually started maturing and picking targets worthy of being targeted, they are great and wonderful. But on the other hand they have at times gone off the deep end and harassed innocent people for shits and giggles whether that person was deserving of their ire or not. Ruining a corporation that did illegal or immoral actions is one thing, but to ruin the finances/lives of innocents is what keeps them from being a real force.

It's like they are Two-face. Sometimes it's heads and sometimes it's tails. But it's usually fairly random.
 
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Chibibar

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/02/the-ridiculous-plan-to-attack-wikileaks.ars

followup article.

Dave said:
I'm of two minds about Anon. On the one hand they do some amazing and great things and now that they've actually started maturing and picking targets worthy of being targeted, they are great and wonderful. But on the other hand they have at times gone off the deep end and harassed innocent people for shits and giggles whether that person was deserving of their ire or not. Ruining a corporation that did illegal or immoral actions is one thing, but to ruin the finances/lives of innocents is what keeps them from being a real force.

It's like they are Two-face. Sometimes it's heads and sometimes it's tails. But it's usually fairly random.
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Yea. That is why it is a collective. They may have "quadrant leaders" but some might do things that others may not agree but all under one umbrella.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

I'm in the same boat as Dave: I like a lot of what Anonymous has accomplished, but I'm iffy about their methods. It's hard to take them serisously when their messages keep talking about "doing it for the lulz."

From what I understand, the vast majority of 'innocent' people that they've gone after had it coming in some way or another. I think. I'm basing that opinion on reading ED articles about various YouTube people who got taken down several pegs. Most of them were idiots who were too full of themself, threatened Anonymous, or had some pretty radical (see also: stupid) opinions.
 
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Tiq

Wow... interesting read. Quite an eye opener to see anonymous "catching a big one" here, with such little effort. Its interesting to think how far this could go in the future... the bigger anons targets get, the more attention theyre going to attract and it looks like things are already starting to get pretty real. Anon isnt a secret anymore, and itll only be a matter of time before the shit hits the fan.

Strange to think all this was born from a silly little image board...
 
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Tiq

You mean the 11 year old girl who lied about being raped and got her father arrested by pouring costume blood on herself and running out the house claiming he was beating her, all for the lulz? Yeah... I have a hard time feeling too sympathetic there.
 
Null

Null

It seems like the sort of thing that, the less you have to do with them, the better off you are generally gonna be.
 
Dave

Dave

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Not until after they go after Fox on November 5!

But if they can take down the Zetas I will be very impressed.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

DDoSing company websites and google bombing assholes on the internet, and even outing child-porn sharing sites on the darknet is a long, long, long way from antagonizing drug warlords with a knack for terrorism and a reputation for wiping out small border towns.

I applaud their end intent here, but...it just seems like a stupid thing to do that might get a lot of people killed if they go through with it.
 
Tress

Tress

I have serious doubts that Anon will do anything. I think this is either a bunch of empty threats, or someone from Anon will claim that this was not an official threat and that they have no intention of following through.
 
sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Zetas are no joke. But I don't know how strong their web-presence is. Annon can rail and threaten but I don't think that there is anything to "take down" in a hacker sense. Then if there was something that Annon could do to hurt Zetas, I don't think there is anything Zetas could do to find Annon directly.

It would not be wise to sit in a cyber-cafe in McAllen reading /b... though.
 
Shegokigo

Shegokigo

I'm fairly sure that the Zetas have computers, connected to the internet, that have massive amounts of their cartel connection information somewhere on the network. All Anon would need to do is bring all that to light and watch the chaos unfold.
 
Null

Null

Targeting an organization that is willing to literally kill them and everyone they know? This should be interesting.
 
Terrik

Terrik

Yeah but all it takes is one fuck up to kill someone. They sure better be flawless. I bet the "script kiddies" felt pretty invincible too until they got arrested. I don't have any personally against anon--I'm rather neutral towards them--but you have to admit that's taking a pretty big risk.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Shegokigo said:
Which is exactly why they're "anon". Can't kill what you can't identify.
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Don't suspected anon members get found all the time? The Zetas are hardly short of resources.

Nor are they particularly discriminatory, what with the whole mass murder thing.
 
Shegokigo

Shegokigo

SpecialKO said:
Don't suspected anon members get found all the time? The Zetas are hardly short of resources.

Nor are they particularly discriminatory, what with the whole mass murder thing.
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Keyword: Suspected.

Will innocent people die on false leads to Anon? Probably. Will it be less than if Anon does serious damage to the Cartel (wrecking financial info, garnering name lists and address books)? Probably.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Shegokigo said:
Keyword: Suspected.
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Yeah, because the Zetas are about due process...

Will innocent people die on false leads to Anon? Probably. Will it be less than if Anon does serious damage to the Cartel (wrecking financial info, garnering name lists and address books)? Probably.
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So...you're agreeing that fewer people will die if Anon doesn't actually do anything. We're all on the same page then, it seems.
 
Shegokigo

Shegokigo

I'm saying some will die while they attempt to track down Anon, though largely less will die if Anon does serious damage to the Cartel.
 
Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix

Is that really surprising? It's one thing to commit computer crimes where the worst thing that can happen is jail time (and only if you get caught... with lots of supporting evidence). It's quite another to go toe to toe with a paramilitary drug organization with a penchant for indiscriminate killings and extreme violence.
 
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Chibibar

I am not surprise really. Anon do have a ton of informational power, but I figure these cartel are not some "backwood" people either. They manage to find the real identity of some of these posters in the past (per the article) so that means they have some hackers working for them also.
 
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