Anon is just a bunch of internet idiots in Guy Fawkes masks with signs...

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AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Honestly, these aren't the kind of guys they could be embarrassed into stopping or who they could ruin a business deal for. The Zetas are a criminal cartel that operates outside the law, with no legitimate face... the best Anon could actually do would be to discover member lists or info on deals and then inform INTERPOL or something.

Information networks like Anonymous are powerful, but some targets can only be affected so much by information warfare. Sometimes you need ACTUAL warfare.
 
Shegokigo

Shegokigo

Entire lists of weapons/drug dealer locations/names/identities would have been devestating to have released. Sadly it was not realized.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Shegokigo said:
Entire lists of weapons/drug dealer locations/names/identities would have been devestating to have released. Sadly it was not realized.
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Yeah... but only if the governments and police agencies acted on them. They'd have to take into account the info might be bad and was released explicitly to trap and kill agents. That's the Catch 22 of this sort of thing.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Yeah, and that doesn't account for massive police corruption in Zetas-controlled areas of Mexico. It might help in other areas a lot, but the problem in the Zetas' areas is likely not that people don't know who the dealers are, it's that there's literally no one to stop them short of an outside task force rolling in. And that's not really a new tactic in the Mexican side of the drug war...
 
DarkAudit

DarkAudit

Nuke 'em from orbit. only way to be sure.

(assuming the guy with his finger on the button isn't working for the Zetas already)
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

DarkAudit said:
Nuke 'em from orbit. only way to be sure.

(assuming the guy with his finger on the button isn't working for the Zetas already)
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That's honestly one of the things that really does keep me up the night - the horrific idea that, inevitably, some terrorist group or pseudo-military dictatorship will actually get their hands on a nuke and have the technical and operational capability to do something with it.
 
strawman

strawman

SpecialKO said:
That's honestly one of the things that really does keep me up the night - the horrific idea that, inevitably, some terrorist group or pseudo-military dictatorship will actually get their hands on a nuke and have the technical and operational capability to do something with it.
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It has to happen eventually. There were 70,000 nuclear warheads in the world in the late 80s, and that has be drawn down to a "mere" 23,000 as of a few years ago.

Mutually assured destruction only matters if the opposing party has something they don't want to lose.

Terrorists don't care.

Further, the modern nuclear weapons approach 20 megatons of power, whereas the bombs that were used on Japan were 15 and 20 kilotons. Not double, not ten times, not even a hundred times - today's weapons are a thousand times more explosive than the weapons used to decimate Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

So yeah - when someone loses one of those 23,000 nukes, and it's used in a populated area, it will be astonishing.
 
strawman

strawman

SpecialKO said:
Thanks, stienman, I'm never sleeping again...
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The US is very, very large. Even the largest bombs would wipe out only a single city. In the worst case you'd see little damage beyond 30 miles from the blast, but at 7 miles from the blast you'd see little left standing. Of course the radiation and fallout will damage people further from the blast. I live over 30 miles from my nearest big city (detroit) and so do most americans.

It would terrorize us, and kill hundreds of thousands or millions depending on the target (New york and LA being some of the densest cities in the US) but even our densest cities are fairly sparse by world standards for big cities.

So chances are good that you wouldn't be directly affected by such a blast.

:awesome:
 
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Chibibar

stienman said:
The US is very, very large. Even the largest bombs would wipe out only a single city. In the worst case you'd see little damage beyond 30 miles from the blast, but at 7 miles from the blast you'd see little left standing. Of course the radiation and fallout will damage people further from the blast. I live over 30 miles from my nearest big city (detroit) and so do most americans.

It would terrorize us, and kill hundreds of thousands or millions depending on the target (New york and LA being some of the densest cities in the US) but even our densest cities are fairly sparse by world standards for big cities.

So chances are good that you wouldn't be directly affected by such a blast.

:awesome:
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Nah. Just radioactive fall out and mutate!!! ;)
 
C

Chibibar

Heh. But you know, I was re-reading "Alas Babylon" there was a sentence (which I can't remember exactly but here is the gist of it) Nuclear weapons were use as a deterrent, but when it is no longer deter, we lose the war.

Will nations ever use nuclear weapons? who knows, it is possible that a single nation with nuclear capability COULD use it, but it is like last resort because any result from that is everyone else is using them (defending themselves) and that will get ugly.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

stienman said:
The US is very, very large. Even the largest bombs would wipe out only a single city. In the worst case you'd see little damage beyond 30 miles from the blast, but at 7 miles from the blast you'd see little left standing. Of course the radiation and fallout will damage people further from the blast. I live over 30 miles from my nearest big city (detroit) and so do most americans.

It would terrorize us, and kill hundreds of thousands or millions depending on the target (New york and LA being some of the densest cities in the US) but even our densest cities are fairly sparse by world standards for big cities.

So chances are good that you wouldn't be directly affected by such a blast.

:awesome:
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Stop ruining fiction!
 
Emrys

Emrys

Shegokigo said:
I'm an all kinds of destruction girl. Besides, without nukes how can I have my Post-Apocolypic mohawked rule?
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Ah, I hadn't grasped your evil intent. If you ever need a right-hand minion to keep track of your empire, I'm organized, efficient, and know 4 ways to kill someone with a file folder.
 
CrimsonSoul

CrimsonSoul

Emrys said:
Ah, I hadn't grasped your evil intent. If you ever need a right-hand minion to keep track of your empire, I'm organized, efficient, and know 4 ways to kill someone with a file folder.
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Too bad three of those ways involves a firearm of some kind
 
bhamv3

bhamv3

I only know one way to kill with a file folder. :(

Though, I suppose, I could argue that I wouldn't need more than one way, anyway.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

I dunno, I haven't seen any evidence of Shego's competency in ruling the twisted mutated freaks of a post-apocalyptic hellhole. What's she going to do when people start complaining that the Thirpples have begun taking extra food to give to the super-intelligent ant colony living in their third breasts?
 
Bones

Bones

CrimsonSoul said:
Actually the US just dismantled it's largest nuke at 9.something megatons. Our largest nuke now is somewhere in the 2 megaton range
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unforunatly what you need to understand about ours is we have MIRVS which have 10-20 2 megaton warheads, think like a nuclear cluster bomb :D
 
strawman

strawman

Bones said:
unforunatly what you need to understand about ours is we have MIRVS which have 10-20 2 megaton warheads, think like a nuclear cluster bomb :D
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Now see that's what I'm talking about. Why destroy one city's downtown when you can hit all the vital spots in a 500 mile radius? Since detonation power decreases in 3 degrees - ie, cube root - then a 2 megaton is a 3 mile blast while a 20 megaton is a 7 mile blast - you get much more bang for the buck with 10 2mt weapons than with 1 20mt weapon.

But it's unlikely that a terrorist group would be able to grab a loaded MIRV with the necessary skills, knowledge, and equipment to launch it in a manner that would make it most effective.

I'd give them a less than 10% chance of finding and detonating an older, smaller weapon anyway, but the modern weapons would be very difficult to detonate without actually having all the equipment, launch codes, etc.

Probably would have better chance infiltrating another nuke equipped country stealing and detonating theirs.
 
Bones

Bones

oh I didnt mean terrorists would ever have that tech, i was simply refering to the fact that while our largest warhead is 2 megatons there are many of them on each missile
 
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