Ph.D. questions

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Hey, all you brainiacs who currently hold Ph.D.s, I'll be finishing up my BS in Psychology next year and have a really good shot at getting into a grad school prep program here at school that gives you GRE prep, help with application fees and transcript requests and such.

I'm planning on diving right into a Ph.D. program right away, so I was wondering if you guys had any tips on the process of finding the right program, and the general process of getting into one.
 

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I went straight to a Ph.D from a BS. I wish I hadn't in retrospect. That extra year or so to defend a Masters would've paid off immensely. I would've done two research problems instead of one really big one, which would've given me double the background experience, and it would've eased me into the Ph.D. life of doing it all on my own, instead of throwing me in fresh from a BS. My advice, therefore, would be to get a master's first.

The way to find the right program is to decide on your specialty, and find out who is publishing a lot in that field. Contact them directly and ask if they want/need/can take on another Ph.D. student. When they inevitably tell you they're full, go to the next guy until you find the one who has a good program or project, and who has some assistantship money preferably. Then, you'll be paid to go to grad school instead of the other way around. All else fails, get a teaching assistantship at a school you like until a research assistantship opens. As far as getting in goes, there's not much to say. Have good grades and good GRE scores. If you're going somewhere really competitive, it won't hurt to have done the stuff above.
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Oh, and add Ph.D. Comics to your webcomics rotation, so you can say "That's so true!" for every new issue.
 
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I was applying to UTD (haven't yet still contemplating going back to school). They do have programs that gives you Master and Ph.D in Psychology I am pretty sure other university probably offer similar program.
 
I'll get back to this tomorrow. I have lots to say. First, though, what is your focus of interest for grad school?
Social Psychology. My ultimate goal is to become a professor. My capstone research has been on non-verbal cues,coding and decoding abilities, and persuasion, which is an area of interest for me. I actually love research. I've also thought about human interface psychology to go along with my Computer Science minor, but I don't even know where to start looking for programs in that field.
 
So this was a post I made to HoboNinja last year; although the situation's a bit different, I hope it'll help. Although I don't have a PhD, I am a (happy) second-year graduate student at UMich.

For starters, http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/graduate-school and http://forum.thegradcafe.com/. The 'Grad School Admissions 101' thread on College Confidential is a big help, and you can find threads for previous applicants (generally in the biomedical sciences, but there's sub-forums for your intended major) detailing stats and such.

Second, don't be paranoid about the 'stats inflation' on that site: graduate admissions is a holistic process, more or less. Keep your GPA, especially in your major, as high as possible (most programs have an average GPA of ~3.5 or so), and study for the GRE a few months before you take it. From what I've heard, GREs are useful in applying for funding, so make sure you do as well on that as you possibly can. It's not too difficult, though; I got my score after about three weeks of studying, and it's more about 'knowing how the questions are asked' than 'knowing the answers'. You'll see when you start studying.

Third, get in on some research as soon as possible. Connect with your professors, ask questions, and--if you happen to like one of your physics professors--ask what research they're doing, and if they could use a hand. You won't get paid for it (unless you're hired on as a lab tech, but most undergrads won't be), but you will get some independent research credit out of it (which can help boost your GPA), and--also importantly--you network yourself with professors.

This will be invaluable when it comes time to choose who will be writing your letters of recommendation, because you'll have people who will be able to say far more than 'so-and-so took my course, got an A, and was a good student.' I felt confident asking one of my cell/molec teachers to write me a letter because I spoke with him so much over the three or four classes I took with him. He was able to write me a strong letter, which leads me to point four.

Point four: research experience and letters of recommendation generally carry the most weight at graduate programs. When I went to the PREVIEW weekend at Michigan, we were given a powerpoint presentation about what Michigan looks for in its strongest applicants, and bolded at the top were research experience and letters. More than simply 'doing' the research, try to understand WHY you're doing it. Try to understand the experiment and its design. It behooves you both since, if you want to go to graduate school, you'll need to anyway, and has the twin benefits of labwork preparing you for coursework (developmental genetics/PCR and DNA sequencing in my lab prepped me for several upper division cell/molec courses) and the coursework helps you understand the lab material in better depth.

Long story short: try your best to understand the WHY of the research. Even if it's not in your chosen field of interest, showing that you understand the research--and, equally important, that you can explain it to others--is an absolutely invaluable skill.

Fifth, your statement of purpose and personal statement. These are the essays you write to sell yourself to the university. All programs (at least that I'm aware of) require the statement of purpose (SoP), which normally consists of why you want to pursue graduate studies, how you've prepared for this, and why you feel that their program is a good fit for you (more on this in a moment). The personal statement is more, well, personal: generally, you'll talk about any difficulties you've had to overcome, personal reasons for pursuing a PhD, etc.

For example, a Statement of Purpose might read, "I'm pursuing graduate studies in order to gain a further background in my field, skills I'll need to pursue my own questions, etc," whereas a personal statement might read, "I was instilled with the desire to pursue neuroscience after my grandfather died of Alzheimer's." (Poor examples, but hopefully you get the picture)

Sixth, if you're looking for graduate schools, fit is normally the best indication. Right now, I wouldn't worry too much about it--you've still got a couple years to figure out your research interests and where they lie. When you're considering schools to apply to, though, the most important thing is fit. Prestige is nice (and by all means apply to prestigious schools), but make sure that the professors (3+) are doing research that you'd be interested in. It doesn't have to be a narrow, defined field; but just make sure you could see yourself happy in several labs if your first two advisors don't work out.

What I did when I was researching schools is used the US News Rankings (http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools), started at the top of the list, and worked my way down it. I would find a school in an area I might find appealing (I kept an open mind, but certain areas--such as hot and dry arid regions--would absolutely drive me nuts), go to the departmental web page, and then click through the faculty to see the research being done. If you're interested, when you get closer to applying, e-mail the professors and ask if they're currently accepting graduate students into their labs; responses may vary, but some might be interested.

Seventh, see if the programs have any open houses. I got SUPER lucky because the Michigan PIBS program does a PREVIEW weekend, and I was lucky enough to be invited to attend--they flew us out, let us meet and visit with faculty, showed us the school and area, and answered any question we might have. There's no better way to gauge a school than to simply visit it.

Finally, make sure you know what you're getting into. Do you want a master's, which would help in industry and enable you to help with somebody else's research? Do you want a Ph.D., which would enable you to perform independent research? Look at what each entails, and speak to a few professors before making up your mind (I was dead-set on a Master's when I first started; and now I'm (hopefully) going for a Ph.D. next year). Both have their pros and cons, and you can tailor them to suit your own needs.

If you need/want any other help, shoot me an IM on AIM or Yahoo: my screen name is Enresshou. I've been focused on this for the past six months or so, so I'd be glad to help out.
 

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I think MindDetective and I (maybe Mathias) have been on the admissions side. A little inside info, should you want it: there are two layers of admission. The grad school (a separate administrative construct not affiliated with any actual program) will screen for the university's admission standards, which are usually what you see on the university's website. If everything is in line here, you get a pass to the separate department admissions committee (or person as the case may be). If you don't meet the numbers, you may get passed along anyway, depending on the school. We got what we called a "green-form" for students who didn't meet the numbers. It was basically a stripped down version of your information, should we want to pursue you further. We often did.

I most heartily concur about the "why" comment. Actually, that should be true of grad school in general, including your classes and your research. That's kind of what distinguishes graduate level work from undergraduate. You still need to know the "what" and the "how", but the "why" becomes your focus, especially at the PhD level.
 
Just as an Update, I got into the Scholar's program I applied for. They'll be paying me for research over the summer (YAY money AND experience for my vitae/resume!) and 4 credits for courses in research and GRE prep.

I'm super stoked about it.
 
I'll get back to this. All I have right now is don't sweat the GRE too much.
I say practice for the damn test. I didn't do any prep, and did fine, but I would have done much better, if I had prepared. Get the word lists, and use a flashcard app or make your own, and read them anytime you are standing in line or have free time. If you are weak in Algebra, I would brush up for sure.

I think Fade et al. covered the rest of the info.

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Enresshou - a guy I know just joined a Microbial Ecology lab up there! They study hydrothermal vents, I think.
 

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This will be invaluable when it comes time to choose who will be writing your letters of recommendation, because you'll have people who will be able to say far more than 'so-and-so took my course, got an A, and was a good student.' I felt confident asking one of my cell/molec teachers to write me a letter because I spoke with him so much over the three or four classes I took with him. He was able to write me a strong letter, which leads me to point four.

Fifth, your statement of purpose and personal statement. These are the essays you write to sell yourself to the university. All programs (at least that I'm aware of) require the statement of purpose (SoP), which normally consists of why you want to pursue graduate studies, how you've prepared for this, and why you feel that their program is a good fit for you (more on this in a moment). The personal statement is more, well, personal: generally, you'll talk about any difficulties you've had to overcome, personal reasons for pursuing a PhD, etc.

What I did when I was researching schools is used the US News Rankings (http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools), started at the top of the list, and worked my way down it. I would find a school in an area I might find appealing (I kept an open mind, but certain areas--such as hot and dry arid regions--would absolutely drive me nuts), go to the departmental web page, and then click through the faculty to see the research being done. If you're interested, when you get closer to applying, e-mail the professors and ask if they're currently accepting graduate students into their labs; responses may vary, but some might be interested.
Some responses to these from the other side of the desk.

1. Definitely pick your references wisely. A nice reference will say yes, but may not say anything that will be of help to you. When I get a letter of reference like the one Enresshou described, I set it aside. It tells me nothing, and it doesn't help your case. Ask your reference if s/he is comfortable writing something substantial about you. If you liked a class and had a good rapport with a prof, that's great, but it probably means that the prof can't say much more than that about you. I don't know how many rubber-stamp letters I've written because a student insists, yet I know nothing about him/her beyond the classroom performance. And they already know that from your transcripts.

2. Regarding personal statements: Well... we almost never read them for content. They primarily exist as a way to gauge your writing skill, more than as a way to see what you want to do. There was a great episode of ER once that summed up personal statements. Everyone said that they wanted to be a doctor to help people, which may be partially true, but it's not particularly interesting or completely truthful. Or specific. If you want the statements and essays to mean more than a writing sample, you're going to have to be impressive. That being said, they carry very little weight. We might use it to choose which prof reviews your app, but that's usually more of a workload thing.

3. US News and World Report rankings are interesting, but take them with a grain of salt. It's entirely possible your program of interest is not at a US News top tier school. Those rankings are very general, and may not capture what you personally want. For instance, Harvard is the end-all-be-all school in general, but I wouldn't consider its geoscience programs to be the best. For that, I'd choose one of the Texas state schools, because that's their bread and butter.
 
I have an excellent rapport with my profs and they have all specifically told me that they would be pleased to write me a letter of recommendation. Even those who are not involved in my major have expressed interest in writing letters for me, so I think I'm pretty well covered in the recommendation department.

It kind of sucks that one of my favorite profs is retiring after this semester, but even after retirement, he'd be more than happy to write me a detailed letter. He even said that he'd like my input on the book he's working on before he sends it off to his publisher.
 
I'm excited, here is the final draft of my poster presentation for my capstone class (names and acedmic affiliations have been changed to protect the innocent).
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An entire semester's worth of work for one power point slide...
 
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