[News] The Trayvon Martin Discussion Thread
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makare
There are plenty of people who own guns who are responsible who use them for just sport shooting or trick shooting etc.
I am all for gun control but I wouldn't limit it only to hunting. Guns have a lot of history to them and shouldn't be demonized just because of some stupid people.
Because race/gender are charlies pet bitches?
I am all for gun control but I wouldn't limit it only to hunting. Guns have a lot of history to them and shouldn't be demonized just because of some stupid people.
Because race/gender are charlies pet bitches?
Because that's what he calls them on.
Well, Fuck You Too.
I enjoy going to the range to work on a critical life skill.
I also sleep better knowing that I have the option of defending myself. Especially since twice in my life I lived in neighborhoods where home invasions were an issue.
I enjoy going to the range to work on a critical life skill.
I also sleep better knowing that I have the option of defending myself. Especially since twice in my life I lived in neighborhoods where home invasions were an issue.
Because Charlie doesn't habitually call people out for calling politicians corrupt, teachers incompetent, union-workers lazy, or democrats whiners; but he does habitually call other people out for being racist and sexist.
You know, I actually have far more respect for someone who takes proper training and safety precautions owning a gun for defense hoping to never have to use it, than I do for someone who uses it to go kill animals for fun.
Call me crazy.
Okay, also self-defense-but the attacker has to be at least armed. And not a terrified Honor student.
...that doesn't make it even remotely the same thing.
You're not calling Charlie a racist because he's railing against whitey, you're calling him a racist for being against police officers.
If someone kicks in my door, I am not going to offer my body up to see if he is armed.
I don't conceal/carry because there is too many options for staying out of trouble when out and about.
Calling him an entitled little brat with limited understanding of the real world is a lot different from saying he's a racist for not liking the institution of police because "police suck".
BS, then they would have used other groups that are relatively analogous. Choosing race was deliberate.
oh thank God we were all waiting on your weigh in
It's complete BS. It's just another form of ad hominem.
Their words. I even quoted them. Words matter, enormously.
When did I accuse you of saying things about a group?
Generalizations are always bad....
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That makes no sense. In no way does that fit the definition of ad hominem. It is not BS. It is exactly as I explained it.
I am literally scratching my head here on how else to explain this. The whole point was that he's generalizing in the same way he claims to hate. Who really cares if copism is as "bad" as racism? My point was that that had nothing to do with anything. Saying that making assumptions about a person based on some category they fall into is bad out of one side of your mouth, and then doing it yourself out of the other side is something worth pointing out. Racism was chosen specifically, it certainly was. Who denied that? It was chosen specifically because of a) the current thread, and b) Charlie's previous posts about it specifically. Not in any way because people think that being a cop is equivalent to hundreds of years of treatment as subhuman. Because that has nothing to do with it. It is also a pretty good example of a straw man, since that term gets thrown around a lot lately.
EDIT: It also has nothing to do with whether generalization is "bad" or not. It has to do with the fact that he specifically violated something he claimed to uphold, regardless of whether generalization is good or bad.
I am literally scratching my head here on how else to explain this. The whole point was that he's generalizing in the same way he claims to hate. Who really cares if copism is as "bad" as racism? My point was that that had nothing to do with anything. Saying that making assumptions about a person based on some category they fall into is bad out of one side of your mouth, and then doing it yourself out of the other side is something worth pointing out. Racism was chosen specifically, it certainly was. Who denied that? It was chosen specifically because of a) the current thread, and b) Charlie's previous posts about it specifically. Not in any way because people think that being a cop is equivalent to hundreds of years of treatment as subhuman. Because that has nothing to do with it. It is also a pretty good example of a straw man, since that term gets thrown around a lot lately.
EDIT: It also has nothing to do with whether generalization is "bad" or not. It has to do with the fact that he specifically violated something he claimed to uphold, regardless of whether generalization is good or bad.
Yes, you quoted them, then added in the word Racist and got all mad about it. nobody said racist, nobody said it was the SAME thing as racist, what they said was that generalization is no more truthful than any generalization based on race, gender or sexual orientation.
You absolutely twisted their words around.
He's got a point, you guys.
The phrase you're looking for is tu quoque, actually.
Then why did you use the phrase ad hominem?
Because it's a form of ad hominem. My bad for being less specific, sorry.
I like that after 10 pages of this thread, it wasn't until my post that you felt the need to do this.
It's a nice feeling.
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makare
I might agree with SpecialKO if this was anyone besides charlie.
Say what you want about ad hominems but what someone has said and done in the past does not disappear just because they are making a new argument. And Charlie has made a career out of hargle garbling on the forum for years now. Glass houses and all that.
Say what you want about ad hominems but what someone has said and done in the past does not disappear just because they are making a new argument. And Charlie has made a career out of hargle garbling on the forum for years now. Glass houses and all that.
Where the hell is my Adammon signal...
Which just makes Charlie a douche.
I really don't want to be defending him here, but the way this is going down really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I guess it's my turn to be a white knight (for Charlie, J-tap-dancing-C).
It's because you're just too intense, Bumble.
I really don't want to be defending him here, but the way this is going down really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I guess it's my turn to be a white knight (for Charlie, J-tap-dancing-C).
It's because you're just too intense, Bumble.
I completely disagree with you.