[News] The Trayvon Martin Discussion Thread

I have been wearing my hoodie up at work since I sit under a vent and have a shaved head right now. I haven't said anything about it since I work in the finance industry in Houston, so...

I have been called the Unibomber though
 

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Yeah, it's been near 90 here this week. A hoodie would be a death wish of a different sort.
 
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SeraRelm

I have been wearing my hoodie up at work since I sit under a vent and have a shaved head right now. I haven't said anything about it since I work in the finance industry in Houston, so...

I have been called the Unibomber though
So you've been mentioned as looking like a dangerous person since the addition of a hoodie...
SUSPICIOUS.
 
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Soliloquy

Police footage of George Zimmerman in custody after the shooting:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475

Claims out there that there's no visible blood or marks on his head. I'm pretty sure he's got a pretty good mark at 1:06 but it's hard to tell.

It is a bit hard to tell... low-quality video and all. But honestly he doesn't look nearly as bad as you'd expect for someone who had been thrown to the ground and beaten up like he claims -- especially considering how long the screaming went on in the 911 call.
 
It is a bit hard to tell... low-quality video and all. But honestly he doesn't look nearly as bad as you'd expect for someone who had been thrown to the ground and beaten up like he claims -- especially considering how long the screaming went on in the 911 call.
He was cleaned up and treated at the scene by paramedics. It is rare to see any video camera give a good enough image to make out a 30 minute old bruise.

It also does not take much damage to make a nose or scalp bleed.
 
He was cleaned up and treated at the scene by paramedics. It is rare to see any video camera give a good enough image to make out a 30 minute old bruise.

It also does not take much damage to make a nose or scalp bleed.
His father is claiming a minute long brutal beat down. A wipe down by paramedics on the scene is not going to magically make you look normal. Next we have the fact that there is no blood anywhere on his cloths something that the Paramedics wouldn't have bothered with.
 
He could have a serious hematoma on the back of his head and we wouldn't be able to tell from that video one way or the other. He spends most of it not being visible in the camera.

Not trying to pick a side or anything, just saying that I don't think that video really changes anything since the fine details of the story are still in dispute.
 
He could have a serious hematoma on the back of his head and we wouldn't be able to tell from that video one way or the other. He spends most of it not being visible in the camera.

Not trying to pick a side or anything, just saying that I don't think that video really changes anything since the fine details of the story are still in dispute.
He's claiming that Treyvon took him down with a punch to the face that broke his nose. The fact that there is no blood on his shirt puts lie to that claim. His father claims that for over a minute Treyvon brutalized him. The lack of bruises on the guy's face puts lie to that claim. And finally the witness who supports Zimmerman claims that Tryevon was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot. The fact that there isn't a drop of blood on Zimmerman puts lie to that claim.

All the fine details that point to Zimmerman having acted in self defense are proven false by the video.
 
It is 30 minutes after the incident. He did not have time bruise. So the video really does not matter.

The fact is, he was bleeding at the scene. It does not take much of an injury to bleed from the back of his head. Just think about nicking yourself shaving. I also doubt that his black and red jacket would show blood on video.
 
Just how quickly do your bruises show up? (HEY! I got my keyboard to finally reset to US English! I can post question marks again! )
Last time I bruised half an hour they showed up, bout 6 hours for them to reach their full glory 3 days for them to go away.

We are talking about what is claimed to be a brutal full minute beat down.


It is 30 minutes after the incident. He did not have time bruise. So the video really does not matter.

The fact is, he was bleeding at the scene. It does not take much of an injury to bleed from the back of his head. Just think about nicking yourself shaving. I also doubt that his black and red jacket would show blood on video.
They should have started showing up especially if he is telling the truth about the broken nose.

A broken nose would have bled onto his shirt, a shot through the chest of Treyvon would have produced a great deal of blood that would have been all over him.. if he was telling the truth about Treyvon being right over him when he was shot.
 
Well, in the video, he certainly doesn't look very injured, if he's injured at all.

But in addition to the video, we have the police report that he was bleeding at the scene from his nose and head, and had a swollen lip. Zimmeman was also treated at a hospital the next day. Any photographs and doctors' notes will be a part of the evidence handed to the grand jury. It doesn't make a lot of sense to try to go over this hard-to-interpret video when there is actual expert medical advice (albeit, which we haven't seen)
Interesting way to look at it. Of course my way of looking at it is that the legal system has been asleep at the tiller for over a month.

So forgive me if I trust my own eyes instead of trusting that a grand jury might eventually see the same things I do.
 
I have a question that is relevant to the case but not strictly about the case. Just curious.

Are civilians who use their firearms to take a life required to see a shrink at all afterwards? Whether found guilty murder or manslaughter, or found innocent on self defense grounds? I'm not saying they have to be insane to defend themselves, obviously, I'm just thinking it'd be a very difficult thing to cope with afterwards. And some people are insane.
 
Interesting way to look at it. Of course my way of looking at it is that the legal system has been asleep at the tiller for over a month.

So forgive me if I trust my own eyes instead of trusting that a grand jury might eventually see the same things I do.
Except they're not your eyes, it's low-res, low-light, non-focused security cam footage where he spends most of his time partly out of frame from at least 10-15 ft away wearing dark red and black. The only thing that you can take from that cam footage is that he seemed to have all 4 limbs, no problems walking, and wasn't currently bleeding.
 
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yeah i don't trust juries at all. I did before law school now I just hate them... I hate them all.
 
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