Maybe I'm Just Ignorant of the World but Anti-Japanese Protests Getting Violent?
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It's getting there. I was in a taxi yesterday and saw a car that said China should go to war with Japan. Had a good chuckle with the taxi driver about it. On QQ（Chinese internet chat program), Chinese are going back and forth on the matter. Some saying the protesters are nuts and the protesters calling for military action have a very low understanding of economics an d international relations, while others saying that enough is enough and China shouldn't let itself be bullied, especially by Japan (still a lot of resentment about Japanese war crimes in China during WWII).
My girlfriend says they're acting like 10 year old kids and need to grow up. Still, it's rare to see Taiwan/Hong kong AND the PRC all in concert on an issue.
My girlfriend says they're acting like 10 year old kids and need to grow up. Still, it's rare to see Taiwan/Hong kong AND the PRC all in concert on an issue.
10yr old kids are making waves....
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/17/busin...n=Feed:+rss/cnn_topstories+(RSS:+Top+Stories)
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/17/busin...n=Feed:+rss/cnn_topstories+(RSS:+Top+Stories)
Expect electronics to get more expensive VERY soon. I doubt China is going to start a war, but they'll probably tighten or stop exporting rare earth metals again to prove a point. I fully expect the US Rare Earth Metal mine to start up again within the next few months, if only to stop this tactic from being used ever again.
Is this all about the island Japan bought, but technically already owned still?
Is this all about the island Japan bought, but technically already owned still?
This doesn't seem the LEAST bit suspicious....
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/17/world...n=Feed:+rss/cnn_topstories+(RSS:+Top+Stories)
Suddenly took ill and died.... just like that huh?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/17/world...n=Feed:+rss/cnn_topstories+(RSS:+Top+Stories)
Suddenly took ill and died.... just like that huh?
As a Taiwanese person, I'm getting a kick out of China making an ass of itself internationally.
You know what China love to say to us Taiwanese? They love to say "the Chinese will never attack fellow Chinese." Meaning if Taiwan declares independence (and thus declares itself not part of China) that's the only time they'll attack.
Hey rioters? Those Japanese stores you smashed up? Owned and run by Chinese people. Those Japanese people you beat up? A lot of them are Chinese too. How's that "never attack fellow Chinese" thing working out for you?
And people still wonder why most Taiwanese aren't interested in being Chinese.
You know what China love to say to us Taiwanese? They love to say "the Chinese will never attack fellow Chinese." Meaning if Taiwan declares independence (and thus declares itself not part of China) that's the only time they'll attack.
Hey rioters? Those Japanese stores you smashed up? Owned and run by Chinese people. Those Japanese people you beat up? A lot of them are Chinese too. How's that "never attack fellow Chinese" thing working out for you?
And people still wonder why most Taiwanese aren't interested in being Chinese.
No, we don't.
Oh. Well, some people do.
For the first 50 years of Taiwan it is pretty obvious why you would not want to be a part of larger China.
I'm just saying, it's not hard to understand why a completely separate country whose origin comes from rebelling against China doesn't want to be part of China. It would be like saying "People don't understand why Americans don't want to be considered part of the British Empire."
Personally, I'm not overly concerned about this. These kinds of protests seem to spring up anytime the PRC needs put on a display, and they go away as soon as the matter is resolved.
As to resolving this particular matter, China and Japan are taking steps to place the issue before the UN. Though I'm not sure I expect too much from the UN in issues such as these, this is a positive development in reducing tension.
As to resolving this particular matter, China and Japan are taking steps to place the issue before the UN. Though I'm not sure I expect too much from the UN in issues such as these, this is a positive development in reducing tension.
Dave
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So what, may I ask, is the driving force behind this sudden surge of hatred? I know the two countries have hated each other for a long time, but did something spark this?[DOUBLEPOST=1347892107][/DOUBLEPOST]Never mind. I think that based on Tommi's post this is over an island/maritime boundaries? Odd.
Long story short:
1. There are a series of islands called the Senkaku in Japanese and Diaoyutai in Chinese, in the Pacific ocean.
2. Several countries claim these islands, among them China and Japan.
3. Three of the islands are privately owned by a Japanese guy. The Japanese government has recently arranged to purchase these islands from this man, effectively making them officially part of Japan's territory.
4. Everyone freaks out.
An equivalent, I suppose, would be if Iran arranged to buy a part of Hawaii and officially make it into part of Iranian territory. People might have a problem with that.
Dave
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I think it would be a bit stronger than that, but doubt it would be on the level of rioting we've seen elsewhere.
Or if the Cubans were to take an island that the USA was friendly with...
I'm pretty sure the US has already started reactivating that rare earth mine you're describing due to the strategic value of said elements.
You forgot to mention that those waters are full of prime fishing locations and look to have oil. Which is what it's REALLY about: increased maritime trade and increased energy independence.
Like, say, an island right off of Puerto Rico.
Or better yet, Key West.
Or even better yet, some island uncovered in the last hurricane in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico that happens to have a HUGE oil reserve under it.
Well, yes, but I didn't want to make my short story longer.
To be honest though, while I'm sure many people are aware of the fishing and fossil fuel resources available there, that's not why people are freaking out. To us Asians, having your territory nibbled at by a historically mortal enemy is a huge issue of pride. The governments probably care more about the fishing and oil. To the rioters, though, the issue is that we've claimed it and Japan is trying to steal what's ours, and they don't get to do that.
There is that small blessing, I suppose.
More like on the SE end of the Caribbean. i.e. Grenada.
But what would the other 99+ percent of the country's population do? Seriously, more people (raw numbers) watch The O'Reilly Factor than that show but the ratings for news programming tends to skew towards the less profitable older demographic. Quit pretending that fewer than three million people a week watching a reality show trainwreck on cable says anything about a nation of 300+ million people. It doesn't. I'll keep pointing that out as long as it takes to sink in.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread about China.
Be pretty upset I'd imagine. Being the minority though, there wouldn't be much they could do.
You might want to look at the post again, I added more numbers. They do not fit your preconceived notions about the American populace.
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