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16 year old baby may hold secret to eternal life

Jul 9, 2009#1

H

Han-Sagan

This was just on 20/20...one of the oddest things I've ever seen

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story ... 954&page=1

Jul 9, 2009#2

Zarvox

I'm calling shenanigans. The only scientist cited is a Richard Walker of USF. There is a Richard Walker at USF, but he's an instructional designer, not a researcher (a quick google search reveals that). Furthermore, there doesn't seem to be anything about her on JSTOR, which means that if this guy's actually done any research, he hasn't published it.

A girl with an incredible condition that warrants loads of research being researched by a guy who's not actually a scientist and isn't publishing anything anyway? And even if somebody else is on the case (and there should be lots and lots of people on the case), they're not publishing either?

ABC got duped.

Jul 9, 2009#3

Dr. Richard Walker's biography

Jul 9, 2009#4

Tinwhistler

I remember seeing this girl on TV 3 or 4 years ago.

Jul 9, 2009#5

Krisken

Tinwhistler said:
I remember seeing this girl on TV 3 or 4 years ago.

I would wager nothing has changed.

Jul 9, 2009#6

Chazwozel

Zarvox said:
I'm calling shenanigans. The only scientist cited is a Richard Walker of USF. There is a Richard Walker at USF, but he's an instructional designer, not a researcher (a quick google search reveals that). Furthermore, there doesn't seem to be anything about her on JSTOR, which means that if this guy's actually done any research, he hasn't published it.

A girl with an incredible condition that warrants loads of research being researched by a guy who's not actually a scientist and isn't publishing anything anyway? And even if somebody else is on the case (and there should be lots and lots of people on the case), they're not publishing either?

ABC got duped.

She's real. I read a Johns Hopkins paper on her.

Jul 9, 2009#7

Kovac

I would like to know more about what is going on at a genetic level but the article is very light on details in that area aside from saying that she has never been diagnosed with any known genetic syndrome or chromosomal abnormality.

Jul 9, 2009#8

Wasabi Poptart

I can't imagine taking care of a "baby" for 16 years.

Jul 9, 2009#9

sixpackshaker

Gee, too bad it is not a boy. Then he would be a great cartoon gang accomplice. Baby in a bonnet, smoking a stogy, packing a .45 and robbing banks. While getting carried in a bassinet.

Jul 9, 2009#10

Jake

Zarvox said:
I'm calling shenanigans. The only scientist cited is a Richard Walker of USF. There is a Richard Walker at USF, but he's an instructional designer, not a researcher (a quick google search reveals that). Furthermore, there doesn't seem to be anything about her on JSTOR, which means that if this guy's actually done any research, he hasn't published it.

A girl with an incredible condition that warrants loads of research being researched by a guy who's not actually a scientist and isn't publishing anything anyway? And even if somebody else is on the case (and there should be lots and lots of people on the case), they're not publishing either?

ABC got duped.

Unequivocal research fail. He published a paper as recently as February.

Jul 9, 2009#11

Silver Jelly

I hope I never have a child like this. if I have children, I expect them to grow up, to learn, to develop as full individuals that can, one day, be independent, have children, do great things! Not to have an eternal baby...

Jul 9, 2009#12

gargoyle_eva

My great uncle's youngest son has a condition similar to this.(Might sound like a friend of a friend story but my family is pretty close.and young)

He was only a few years younger than me, so that would put him between 16-20 From memory.
Kind of wierd visiting the family seeing them all, then 2 years later the other kids have grown up, so have I but he's still the same.Last time I seen him he was just starting to crawl.I think he can walk a little bit now.Not sure though, will have to check.

Jul 9, 2009#13

Zarvox

Jake said:
Zarvox said:

I'm calling shenanigans. The only scientist cited is a Richard Walker of USF. There is a Richard Walker at USF, but he's an instructional designer, not a researcher (a quick google search reveals that). Furthermore, there doesn't seem to be anything about her on JSTOR, which means that if this guy's actually done any research, he hasn't published it.

A girl with an incredible condition that warrants loads of research being researched by a guy who's not actually a scientist and isn't publishing anything anyway? And even if somebody else is on the case (and there should be lots and lots of people on the case), they're not publishing either?

ABC got duped.

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Unequivocal research fail. He published a paper as recently as February.

Holy hell do I feel like a retard for not checking PubMed. My bad indeed.

Jul 9, 2009#14

GasBandit

I bet there are scores of geneticists who would sell their own mothers to get intact DNA samples from this kid.

Jul 9, 2009#15

Jake

GasBandit said:
I bet there are scores of geneticists who would sell their own mothers to get intact DNA samples from this kid.

There seem to be a decent number of people looking at her DNA, but there's only so much you can learn from it without a much greater understanding of genomics and development than we currently possess.

Jul 9, 2009#16

Denbrought

Nice, espy's soul mate.

Jul 9, 2009#17

fade

I really, really, really hope some of the comments are jokes. Like the top one:

You may note in the bible people once lived to be just under 1,000 years. The change came to be at Noah's flood. The first change has to do the earth's EMF. When the Hertz is corrected when a cell divides nine times the first cell does not die. Also the earths oxygen is half then as well as atmosphere pressure. There is also a lowering of orgone or life force from the earth. Then there is food that has absorbed more minerals and etc do to a mist that came from the earth on the leaves and a select ultra sound to its roots from long dead animals. However cases like this one raise lots of other questions.

Jul 9, 2009#18

Denbrought

fade said:
I really, really, really hope some of the comments are jokes. Like the top one:

You may note in the bible people once lived to be just under 1,000 years. The change came to be at Noah's flood. The first change has to do the earth's EMF. When the Hertz is corrected when a cell divides nine times the first cell does not die. Also the earths oxygen is half then as well as atmosphere pressure. There is also a lowering of orgone or life force from the earth. Then there is food that has absorbed more minerals and etc do to a mist that came from the earth on the leaves and a select ultra sound to its roots from long dead animals. However cases like this one raise lots of other questions.

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Seems like I still need to work on mastering english, that paragraph almost shut down my brain and I think I failed to grasp its intended meaning.

Jul 9, 2009#19

fade

Don't worry. The author of that comment needs to master English yet, too.

Jul 9, 2009#20

Green_Lantern

Denbrought said:
fade said:

I really, really, really hope some of the comments are jokes. Like the top one:

You may note in the bible people once lived to be just under 1,000 years. The change came to be at Noah's flood. The first change has to do the earth's EMF. When the Hertz is corrected when a cell divides nine times the first cell does not die. Also the earths oxygen is half then as well as atmosphere pressure. There is also a lowering of orgone or life force from the earth. Then there is food that has absorbed more minerals and etc do to a mist that came from the earth on the leaves and a select ultra sound to its roots from long dead animals. However cases like this one raise lots of other questions.

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Seems like I still need to work on mastering english, that paragraph almost shut down my brain and I think I failed to grasp its intended meaning.

How sad is that my lack of faith in people says that the comment might actually be serious?

Jul 9, 2009#21

Cajungal

Green_Lantern said:
Denbrought said:

fade said:

I really, really, really hope some of the comments are jokes. Like the top one:

You may note in the bible people once lived to be just under 1,000 years. The change came to be at Noah's flood. The first change has to do the earth's EMF. When the Hertz is corrected when a cell divides nine times the first cell does not die. Also the earths oxygen is half then as well as atmosphere pressure. There is also a lowering of orgone or life force from the earth. Then there is food that has absorbed more minerals and etc do to a mist that came from the earth on the leaves and a select ultra sound to its roots from long dead animals. However cases like this one raise lots of other questions.

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Seems like I still need to work on mastering english, that paragraph almost shut down my brain and I think I failed to grasp its intended meaning.

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How sad is that my lack of faith in people says that the comment might actually be serious?

It's no lack of faith; it's just an acknowledgement of reality. There are people DO think this way. They come to my campus and hand out weird religious pamphlets.

Jul 9, 2009#22

cvgurau

Sooooooo weird. :bush:

Forget the supposed "fountain of youth", these people are gonna be taking care of a baby for the rest of their lives. Presuming she'll remain "frozen" in time, I can foresee her getting passed down to her sisters after her parents die, who will in turn have to take care of a child for years, with no hope of the relief that comes from a kid's growing up.

Jul 9, 2009#23

Chazwozel

cvgurau said:
Sooooooo weird. :bush:

Forget the supposed "fountain of youth", these people are gonna be taking care of a baby for the rest of their lives. Presuming she'll remain "frozen" in time, I can foresee her getting passed down to her sisters after her parents die, who will in turn have to take care of a child for years, with no hope of the relief that comes from a kid's growing up.

Something tells me that this girl isn't going to live much past the age of 30 or so. I'm not trying to be mean, but realistically people with growth disorders of this kind rarely live into old age.

Jul 9, 2009#24

Espy

Denbrought said:
Nice, espy's soul mate.

Jul 9, 2009#25

Wasabi Poptart

fade said:
I really, really, really hope some of the comments are jokes. Like the top one:

You may note in the bible people once lived to be just under 1,000 years. The change came to be at Noah's flood. The first change has to do the earth's EMF. When the Hertz is corrected when a cell divides nine times the first cell does not die. Also the earths oxygen is half then as well as atmosphere pressure. There is also a lowering of orgone or life force from the earth. Then there is food that has absorbed more minerals and etc do to a mist that came from the earth on the leaves and a select ultra sound to its roots from long dead animals. However cases like this one raise lots of other questions.

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People who think like this woman would come out with that comment, I'm sure.

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8:31o9parb][/youtube:31o9parb]

Jul 9, 2009#26

David

Yeah, just think of our CONSTITUIONAL RIGHTS our governments are violating with their black-magic voodoo rainbow-farting energy sources!

Jul 10, 2009#27

@Li3n

Don't fret people, we here at Evil Robotic Overlords Renewable Energy Consortium are working hard on a patch for this little glitch in the Matrix... please resume your limited, but useful (4 us) lives.

Jul 10, 2009#28

Denbrought

WildSoul said:
People who think like this woman would come out with that comment, I'm sure.

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8:233p4r7j][/youtube:233p4r7j]

If you excuse me I need to roll on the floor laughing now. Ahem.

Jul 10, 2009#29

Silver Jelly

:bush: Rainbow... conspiracy...

Jul 10, 2009#30

David

Hmm... come to think of it...

Why ARE there so many songs about rainbows? It's a bit suspicious. Do they form a coded message?

Jul 10, 2009#31

Jake

David said:
Why ARE there so many songs about rainbows?

Yeah! And what's on the other side?

Jul 10, 2009#32

Chibibar

It is interesting to see how far can they study her.

So basically this girl different body part aging at different rate? (bone is older than the rest of the body while the brain is still a baby mode) so maybe the whole aging is control by the brain eh? if the brain don't "age" then the body won't either.... (I'm pure guessing here since this is a rare phenomenon)

Jul 10, 2009#33

Fun Size

WildSoul said:
fade said:

I really, really, really hope some of the comments are jokes. Like the top one:

You may note in the bible people once lived to be just under 1,000 years. The change came to be at Noah's flood. The first change has to do the earth's EMF. When the Hertz is corrected when a cell divides nine times the first cell does not die. Also the earths oxygen is half then as well as atmosphere pressure. There is also a lowering of orgone or life force from the earth. Then there is food that has absorbed more minerals and etc do to a mist that came from the earth on the leaves and a select ultra sound to its roots from long dead animals. However cases like this one raise lots of other questions.

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People who think like this woman would come out with that comment, I'm sure.

And here I thought I had nothing to write about today.

Jul 10, 2009#34

Dunny

Jake said:
David said:

Why ARE there so many songs about rainbows?

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Yeah! And what's on the other side?

I knew that frog was up to something! It's all a conspiracy, I tell ya! :rofl:

Jul 10, 2009#35

Jake

Chibibar said:
It is interesting to see how far can they study her.

So basically this girl different body part aging at different rate? (bone is older than the rest of the body while the brain is still a baby mode) so maybe the whole aging is control by the brain eh? if the brain don't "age" then the body won't either.... (I'm pure guessing here since this is a rare phenomenon)

Ban: upheld.

Jul 10, 2009#36

SeraRelm

Peter Pan and Toys'R'Us have finally won.

Jul 10, 2009#37

chakz

This brings the children from akira more to my mind than immortality.

Jul 10, 2009#38

Chazwozel

Jake said:
Chibibar said:

It is interesting to see how far can they study her.

So basically this girl different body part aging at different rate? (bone is older than the rest of the body while the brain is still a baby mode) so maybe the whole aging is control by the brain eh? if the brain don't "age" then the body won't either.... (I'm pure guessing here since this is a rare phenomenon)

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Ban: upheld.

Jul 10, 2009#39

Chibibar

Chazwozel said:
Jake said:

Chibibar said:

It is interesting to see how far can they study her.

So basically this girl different body part aging at different rate? (bone is older than the rest of the body while the brain is still a baby mode) so maybe the whole aging is control by the brain eh? if the brain don't "age" then the body won't either.... (I'm pure guessing here since this is a rare phenomenon)

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Ban: upheld.

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Why??

n a recent paper for the journal "Mechanisms of Ageing and Development," Walker and his co-authors, who include Pakula and All Children's Hospital (St. Petersburg, Fla.) geneticist Maxine Sutcliffe chronicled a baffling range of inconsistencies in Brooke's aging process. She still has baby teeth at 16, for instance. And her bone age is estimated to be more like 10 years old.

Bone is about 10 years old.

body still baby mode (still have baby teeth at 16 with a body of a toddler)

"There've been very minimal changes in Brooke's brain," Walker said. "Various parts of her body, rather than all being at the same stage, seem to be disconnected."

Brain has minimal CHANGE! the rest of her body seems to be disconnected.

The scientist has NO clue what is causing it, I'm just tossing my hypothesis. There is a lot of stuff about the brain that we still don't understand (like this case)

Last but not least

Brooke hasn't aged in the conventional sense. Dr. Richard Walker of the University of South Florida College of Medicine, in Tampa, says Brooke's body is not developing as a coordinated unit, but as independent parts that are out of sync. She has never been diagnosed with any known genetic syndrome or chromosomal abnormality that would help explain why.

Jul 10, 2009#40

Chazwozel

Chibibar said:
Chazwozel said:

Jake said:

Chibibar said:

It is interesting to see how far can they study her.

So basically this girl different body part aging at different rate? (bone is older than the rest of the body while the brain is still a baby mode) so maybe the whole aging is control by the brain eh? if the brain don't "age" then the body won't either.... (I'm pure guessing here since this is a rare phenomenon)

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Ban: upheld.

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Why??

n a recent paper for the journal "Mechanisms of Ageing and Development," Walker and his co-authors, who include Pakula and All Children's Hospital (St. Petersburg, Fla.) geneticist Maxine Sutcliffe chronicled a baffling range of inconsistencies in Brooke's aging process. She still has baby teeth at 16, for instance. And her bone age is estimated to be more like 10 years old.

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Bone is about 10 years old.

body still baby mode (still have baby teeth at 16 with a body of a toddler)
[quote:1aejs5nq]"There've been very minimal changes in Brooke's brain," Walker said. "Various parts of her body, rather than all being at the same stage, seem to be disconnected."

Brooke hasn't aged in the conventional sense. Dr. Richard Walker of the University of South Florida College of Medicine, in Tampa, says Brooke's body is not developing as a coordinated unit, but as independent parts that are out of sync. She has never been diagnosed with any known genetic syndrome or chromosomal abnormality that would help explain why.

at least no chromosomal or genetic abnormality. So genetically it is "comparable" to the model they are using (to compare if there are abnormality) so why it couldn't be the brain?? huh???

smurf your ban![/quote:1aejs5nq]

A hypothesis is predicted answer to a question that's generated after much research and forethought on a topic not a half-baked brain fart.

Jul 10, 2009#41

Chibibar

Chazwozel said:
A hypothesis is predicted answer to a question that's generated after much research and forethought on a topic not a half-baked brain fart.

ok... what is your theory? since the article states there are no abnormal genetic and chromosome defects compare to normal human.

Her body is out of sync. (brain, body, bone different age)

What do you think it is?

one of the theory of aging is from this chromosome http://www.telomere.net/

but if that is the issue, then it would be chromosome defect and would have been detected.

The Chinese believe it is the Kidney that fail over time and unable to repair the human body BUT I'm sure this kid's kidney is still healthy.

I am reading the article now and guess what? there was some test to the Thyroid (throat) and Pituitary (base of the brain)

Therewere no underlying endocrine problems that could explain
the subject’s growth delay. Evaluation of thyroid and hypothalamic
pituitary function revealed slightly elevated thyroid stimulating
hormone (TSH; 7.6 mU/ml) with normal thyroxine (T4; 11.3 mg/dl)
levels.

There is a slight elevated, but no hard evidence.

ALSO if you read further, there is a difference in the brain scan MRI from the "normal" person vs the Girl. There is a difference. So maybe my English is not up to your standard, but it is still COULD be brain related. (See page 5 of 8 diagram A and B) that is how I got the brain part.

I had to reread the thing and under discussion it could be genetic but there is no current explanation (since it is still under study) of WHY her body is out of sync of each other.

Consider your brain pretty much control almost everything in your body, it is possible, the brain might not be sending the correct signal, chemicals, or whatever to the rest of the body. They are out of sync. I mean even the breathing and heartbeat is control by the brain. If your brain goes, so does the rest of your body.

Jul 10, 2009#42

JCM

We have a similar case here, where a woman, Maria Audenete, age 28, has the body and mind of an infant.
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y70QII2NqWA&feature=player_embedded:2ihb7yjd][/youtube:2ihb7yjd]
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4whMmG9vGOc&feature=player_embedded:2ihb7yjd][/youtube:2ihb7yjd]

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Chazwozel said:
Jake said:

Chibibar said:

It is interesting to see how far can they study her.

So basically this girl different body part aging at different rate? (bone is older than the rest of the body while the brain is still a baby mode) so maybe the whole aging is control by the brain eh? if the brain don't "age" then the body won't either.... (I'm pure guessing here since this is a rare phenomenon)

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Ban: upheld.

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Seconded.

Jul 10, 2009#43

Chazwozel

Chibibar said:
Chazwozel said:

A hypothesis is predicted answer to a question that's generated after much research and forethought on a topic not a half-baked brain fart.

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ok... what is your theory? since the article states there are no abnormal genetic and chromosome defects compare to normal human.

Her body is out of sync. (brain, body, bone different age)

What do you think it is?

one of the theory of aging is from this chromosome http://www.telomere.net/

but if that is the issue, then it would be chromosome defect and would have been detected.

The Chinese believe it is the Kidney that fail over time and unable to repair the human body BUT I'm sure this kid's kidney is still healthy.

I am reading the article now and guess what? there was some test to the Thyroid (throat) and Pituitary (base of the brain)

Therewere no underlying endocrine problems that could explain
the subject’s growth delay. Evaluation of thyroid and hypothalamic
pituitary function revealed slightly elevated thyroid stimulating
hormone (TSH; 7.6 mU/ml) with normal thyroxine (T4; 11.3 mg/dl)
levels.

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There is a slight elevated, but no hard evidence.

ALSO if you read further, there is a difference in the brain scan MRI from the "normal" person vs the Girl. There is a difference. So maybe my English is not up to your standard, but it is still COULD be brain related. (See page 5 of 8 diagram A and B) that is how I got the brain part.

I had to reread the thing and under discussion it could be genetic but there is no current explanation (since it is still under study) of WHY her body is out of sync of each other.

Consider your brain pretty much control almost everything in your body, it is possible, the brain might not be sending the correct signal, chemicals, or whatever to the rest of the body. They are out of sync. I mean even the breathing and heartbeat is control by the brain. If your brain goes, so does the rest of your body.

I have no theory because I know dick about the sequencing studies that were done on her. I do know that a karotyping comparison may not be entirely conclusive or even *gasp* wrong! And yes the brain controls many, many regulatory factors, but by your definition of how the body works, someone should get cancer if a part of their brain is misfiring or misregulating hormones.

Considering how little is known about the aging process itself, I'd say this girl may very well have some kind of genetic abnormality that has gone unidentified.

Jul 10, 2009#44

Chibibar

Chaz: having read the paper twice (just to make sure I actually understand it, but some of the results/chemical listing I'm not familiar with) looks like we have a long way to find out what is actually "wrong" with her.

I just find a little insulting that on a forum discussion where none of us are experts where someone could "ban" someone from certain topic of discussion. I guess from now on I just have to link every thing I talk about with backup proof or something.

JCM - I did not understand a word on those videos (cause I don't speak the language or can read it) I presume this is another case of a "non-aging" baby? so you trying to say it is not rare? Thus far after several searches, it looks rare to me. I have found only like 2 cases (including your video) and a paper (on the girl) but I'm sure there are others, but it is not a normal phenomenon.

Jul 10, 2009#45

Chazwozel

Chibibar said:
Chaz: having read the paper twice (just to make sure I actually understand it, but some of the results/chemical listing I'm not familiar with) looks like we have a long way to find out what is actually \"wrong\" with her.

I just find a little insulting that on a forum discussion where none of us are experts where someone could \"ban\" someone from certain topic of discussion. I guess from now on I just have to link every thing I talk about with backup proof or something.

JCM - I did not understand a word on those videos (cause I don't speak the language or can read it) I presume this is another case of a \"non-aging\" baby? so you trying to say it is not rare? Thus far after several searches, it looks rare to me. I have found only like 2 cases (including your video) and a paper (on the girl) but I'm sure there are others, but it is not a normal phenomenon.

Jake, Fade, Necrotic, and myself hold Ph.D.s in Biochemisty and Chemistry. We ARE the goddamn experts.

You read this paper? http://www.miraculousmutation.com/siteb ... 4-1-09.pdf

Jul 10, 2009#46

*BAM*

This above is why Dave didn't chime in.

Jul 10, 2009#47

Jake

Chazwozel said:
Chibibar said:

Chaz: having read the paper twice (just to make sure I actually understand it, but some of the results/chemical listing I'm not familiar with) looks like we have a long way to find out what is actually \"wrong\" with her.

I just find a little insulting that on a forum discussion where none of us are experts where someone could \"ban\" someone from certain topic of discussion. I guess from now on I just have to link every thing I talk about with backup proof or something.

JCM - I did not understand a word on those videos (cause I don't speak the language or can read it) I presume this is another case of a \"non-aging\" baby? so you trying to say it is not rare? Thus far after several searches, it looks rare to me. I have found only like 2 cases (including your video) and a paper (on the girl) but I'm sure there are others, but it is not a normal phenomenon.

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Jake, Fade, Necrotic, and myself hold Ph.D.s in Biochemisty and Chemistry. We ARE the goddamn experts.

You read this paper? http://www.miraculousmutation.com/siteb ... 4-1-09.pdf

Goddamn, just look at the size of my PhDenis! :smug:

Jul 10, 2009#48

Chazwozel

Jake said:
Chazwozel said:

Chibibar said:

Chaz: having read the paper twice (just to make sure I actually understand it, but some of the results/chemical listing I'm not familiar with) looks like we have a long way to find out what is actually \"wrong\" with her.

I just find a little insulting that on a forum discussion where none of us are experts where someone could \"ban\" someone from certain topic of discussion. I guess from now on I just have to link every thing I talk about with backup proof or something.

JCM - I did not understand a word on those videos (cause I don't speak the language or can read it) I presume this is another case of a \"non-aging\" baby? so you trying to say it is not rare? Thus far after several searches, it looks rare to me. I have found only like 2 cases (including your video) and a paper (on the girl) but I'm sure there are others, but it is not a normal phenomenon.

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Jake, Fade, Necrotic, and myself hold Ph.D.s in Biochemisty and Chemistry. We ARE the goddamn experts.

You read this paper? http://www.miraculousmutation.com/siteb ... 4-1-09.pdf

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Goddamn, just look at the size of my PhDenis! :smug:

Yeah I don't mean to be a dickhead about it, but I hate it when someone tries to teach me about science or prove crackpot theories when they have no clue about what they're frigging talking about. Big pet peeve of mine.

Jul 10, 2009#49

You didn't go through 8 years of evil medical school to be called Mr. Evil.

Jul 10, 2009#50

Chibibar

I don't speak from others, but I always try to learn more about things. What I don't understand I read and try to understand. I use what information I have on hand. If you have other papers and theories out there, I'm more than happy to read them and learn more about this and maybe have a good discussion, but just plain "ban" isn't productive isn't it?

Jul 10, 2009#51

chakz

Edrondol said:
*BAM*

This above is why Dave didn't chime in.

I feel like dumbass myself and I didn't really say anything. :zoid:

Jul 10, 2009#52

Chazwozel

Chibibar said:
I don't speak from others, but I always try to learn more about things. What I don't understand I read and try to understand. I use what information I have on hand. If you have other papers and theories out there, I'm more than happy to read them and learn more about this and maybe have a good discussion, but just plain "ban" isn't productive isn't it?

We'll never have a good discussion about it on anything more than a layman's understanding level. I'm honestly not trying to be a dick here, but after years and years of trying to explain my own thesis projects to family and friends, I've learned that in order to have true depth scientific discussions they need to be with other scientists because people outside the field don't know enough of the basics to get the devil of details.

It's good that you want to learn, but I don't really feel like spending a day to give you a crash course in graduate level genetics so you can be on par with my understanding of the subject matter. And I'll even admit, my understanding of this particular case is limited to only what I'm reading here in that paper I linked. If you truely want to learn about it, I suggest emailing Richard Walker about it. drrwalker@gmail.com

I really sound like a pompous prick, and I'm sorry, but it's the truth plain and simple.

Jul 10, 2009#53

Chibibar

Chazwozel said:
Chibibar said:

I don't speak from others, but I always try to learn more about things. What I don't understand I read and try to understand. I use what information I have on hand. If you have other papers and theories out there, I'm more than happy to read them and learn more about this and maybe have a good discussion, but just plain "ban" isn't productive isn't it?

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We'll never have a good discussion about it on anything more than a layman's understanding level. I'm honestly not trying to be a dick here, but after years and years of trying to explain my own thesis projects to family and friends, I've learned that in order to have true depth scientific discussions they need to be with other scientists because people outside the field don't know enough of the basics to get the devil of details.

It's good that you want to learn, but I don't really feel like spending a day to give you a crash course in graduate level genetics so you can be on par with my understanding of the subject matter. And I'll even admit, my understanding of this particular case is limited to only what I'm reading here in that paper I linked. If you truely want to learn about it, I suggest emailing Richard Walker about it. drrwalker@gmail.com

I really sound like a pompous prick, and I'm sorry, but it's the truth plain and simple.

that is the same person who wrote the paper on the subject matter?

Jul 10, 2009#54

Chazwozel

Chibibar said:
Chazwozel said:

Chibibar said:

I don't speak from others, but I always try to learn more about things. What I don't understand I read and try to understand. I use what information I have on hand. If you have other papers and theories out there, I'm more than happy to read them and learn more about this and maybe have a good discussion, but just plain \"ban\" isn't productive isn't it?

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We'll never have a good discussion about it on anything more than a layman's understanding level. I'm honestly not trying to be a * here, but after years and years of trying to explain my own thesis projects to family and friends, I've learned that in order to have true depth scientific discussions they need to be with other scientists because people outside the field don't know enough of the basics to get the devil of details.

It's good that you want to learn, but I don't really feel like spending a day to give you a crash course in graduate level genetics so you can be on par with my understanding of the subject matter. And I'll even admit, my understanding of this particular case is limited to only what I'm reading here in that paper I linked. If you truely want to learn about it, I suggest emailing Richard Walker about it. drrwalker@gmail.com

I really sound like a pompous *, and I'm sorry, but it's the truth plain and simple.

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that is the same person who wrote the paper on the subject matter?

http://www.miraculousmutation.com/siteb ... 4-1-09.pdf

Primary author of this paper, meaning he's the one who's done most of the experiments and probably knows the best about the news article too, since the reporter interviewed him.

Jul 10, 2009#55

Chibibar

Chazwozel said:
Chibibar said:

Chazwozel said:

Chibibar said:

I don't speak from others, but I always try to learn more about things. What I don't understand I read and try to understand. I use what information I have on hand. If you have other papers and theories out there, I'm more than happy to read them and learn more about this and maybe have a good discussion, but just plain \"ban\" isn't productive isn't it?

Click to expand...

We'll never have a good discussion about it on anything more than a layman's understanding level. I'm honestly not trying to be a * here, but after years and years of trying to explain my own thesis projects to family and friends, I've learned that in order to have true depth scientific discussions they need to be with other scientists because people outside the field don't know enough of the basics to get the devil of details.

It's good that you want to learn, but I don't really feel like spending a day to give you a crash course in graduate level genetics so you can be on par with my understanding of the subject matter. And I'll even admit, my understanding of this particular case is limited to only what I'm reading here in that paper I linked. If you truely want to learn about it, I suggest emailing Richard Walker about it. drrwalker@gmail.com

I really sound like a pompous *, and I'm sorry, but it's the truth plain and simple.

Click to expand...

that is the same person who wrote the paper on the subject matter?

Click to expand...

http://www.miraculousmutation.com/siteb ... 4-1-09.pdf

Primary author of this paper, meaning he's the one who's done most of the experiments and probably knows the best about the news article too, since the reporter interviewed him.

ah. Yea. That is the paper I read.

so that aside...... how about them Cowboys? (heh. It is a phrase we use in our family when we want to change subject. Not sure how it got started)

Jul 10, 2009#56

Jake

I mainly just wanted to say "PhDenis".

Jul 10, 2009#57

JCM

What Chaz said, heck, even change "reproduce" with "replicate" when talking about viruses and your post will look idiotic to someone who has dedicated most of his adult life whereas we spent it elsewhere. (Yes Chaz, feel free to rag on it, it was a stupid mistake of mine).

But then Ive had even more idiotic mistakes being made by people talking about Islam or latin languages, that the only advice I can give is, keep away from FARK threads on religion, politics and evolution.

Jul 10, 2009#58

Fun Size

JCM said:
What Chaz said, heck, even change "reproduce" with "replicate" when talking about viruses and your post will look idiotic to someone who has dedicated most of his adult life whereas we spent it elsewhere. (Yes Chaz, feel free to rag on it, it was a stupid mistake of mine).

But then Ive had even more idiotic mistakes being made by people talking about Islam or latin languages, that the only advice I can give is, keep away from FARK threads on religion, politics and evolution.

That's twice you've mentioned FARK and evolution in a week or two. If you end up summoning Bevets, it's on your head.

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