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#1



Gothomo

I could use some critique on this one.

Erebus in the Outer Darkness
GP


As shadow of night washed over me
I realized I had never before
looked properly at darkness.
Not with my eyes, in any case.
There is something cleaner
in the darkness
than in the light;
Something unstained by the light
of day.

In my moment of tranquility
lights of the city,
broke my conscious dream.
I glanced back towards it
and wished it were gone.
My moment of quiet
was expended for the time being.
The concept of it departing
for long was foolish.
It could always return,
as soon as I missed it.

In all its essence and silence,
the night was defiant.
Its subtlety was counteracted by
disgust,
uttered only by a fainthearted
affection.
Still, the night in all it had
to offer
was expressed only by those
soaking it in.

I, the wild-eyed idealist,
She, the spirited child of fire.
My heart, the fearful budding,
Her heart, the calm in the storm.
And if our very existence is
punctuated
by four identical orange specs
on the low horizon,
who is there to defy us?


#2

Null

Null

I think it's too abstract to really be able to work. Concrete terms anchor your work and keep it from dissolving like morning fog. Basically, while your terms may mean something to you, because they're abstract, they don't have a real meaning for someone else.

To quote Ezra Pound: "Go in fear of abstractions."


#3



Element 117

haha. This is the guy who said my blog was the worst emo bullshit ever? Awesome.


#4

Thread Necromancer

Thread Necromancer

I totally could go for some cake right now....


#5

Krisken

Krisken

haha. This is the guy who said my blog was the worst emo bullshit ever? Awesome.
If it is, you should be in a good position to give some good advice, eh? :thumb:


#6



Gothomo

It's notable that my poem has nothing to do with cutting my wrists or being angry about my lost love.

Who writes a blog about that?

Not important. The internet is a place to be serious. Grr.

Regardless, thanks for the critique. Not from Fangoria, from the person who actually critiqued ;)


#7

ElJuski

ElJuski

I think the only part of the poem that really caught me eye was the last stanza. The rest, I think, is just too generic, overused and doesn't have any impact for me. When writing poetry, every word should count, each syllable should be measured. It needs to be lean, impressive, and carry its style. I don't really see that in your work--though this is the only thing of yours that I've seen).

Also, the enjambment is really bothersome, but I think that's also because the rest seems so generic. I think you're trying too hard to sound Important and Deep, when it's severely crippling the emotional significance you're trying to convey.

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Haha, I love how my serious critique of someone's work is in Comic Sans :D :D


#8



Gothomo

I'll take your comments into consideration when I rewrite this. At this point the only part of this that I really like is the last stanza, being that everything else is useless repetition of that idea.


#9

ElJuski

ElJuski

I'll take your comments into consideration when I rewrite this. At this point the only part of this that I really like is the last stanza, being that everything else is useless repetition of that idea.
Dude, I think that last stanza is all you need. You're right; everything else is useless repetition.


#10

Gusto

Gusto

The last stanza stands pretty well on it's own, I must agree.


#11

ElJuski

ElJuski

Good poetry, to me, comes from a moment that is expressed perfectly. A snapshot of a life, delicate and lean. Seriously, toss the rest of the poem and work on that last stanza. Tighten it.

Also, please change the title. Make it something much more relateable. There's nothing more I hate than seeing some big word prefacing a poem. It's compensation.


#12



Gothomo

The title is a bit convoluted, I must admit.

I think when I wrote this I had the last stanza in mind and decided to write up to that point, which ultimately resulted in me talking about the sky on a moonless night for three stanzas.

Thank you for your help on this. I love having the opportunity to get advice from other writers.


#13

Dave

Dave

Welcome back, by the way. Have you convinced your friend we're not all mindless idiots?


#14

Gusto

Gusto

Just most of us. :Leyla:


#15

Null

Null

The title is a bit convoluted, I must admit.

I think when I wrote this I had the last stanza in mind and decided to write up to that point, which ultimately resulted in me talking about the sky on a moonless night for three stanzas.

Thank you for your help on this. I love having the opportunity to get advice from other writers.
Don't write to a point, write FROM it. See what you discover along the way. The poem can't surprise you if you already know where it's headed.


#16



Element 117

Just most of us. :Leyla:
Indeed. And here I was just getting bored. The Mighty Wordsmythe Who Will Always Write Better Than You has returned!


#17



Gothomo

Welcome back, by the way. Have you convinced your friend we're not all mindless idiots?
Not at all. It's still a bit of a sore spot for her. She's not an artist by trade and she's rather proud of the work accomplished on Gothomo. The way that people here treated her abilities on this forum was kind of like kicking a puppy for not being able to eat dry food.

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Ooh, Fangoria has returned from Spencer's with her sparkly dildo and a copy of Twilight. Lovely.

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Don't write to a point, write FROM it. See what you discover along the way. The poem can't surprise you if you already know where it's headed.
Fair point. Not my best work, but I do like it. It needs a lot of revision to be presentable, but that is, after all, why I asked for some help :)

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Just most of us. :Leyla:
Indeed. And here I was just getting bored. The Mighty Wordsmythe Who Will Always Write Better Than You has returned![/QUOTE]

I still love you. Can we get steak some time or something?


#18



Element 117

It fills me with mirth that she's still a bit sore by what is ultimately the fault of the failure of your writing.


#19



Gothomo

It fills me with mirth that she's still a bit sore by what is ultimately the fault of the failure of your writing.
It fills me with strange feelings to know that you still think about me and my comic. That steak is on me, by the way.


#20



Element 117

It fills me with mirth that she's still a bit sore by what is ultimately the fault of the failure of your writing.
It fills me with strange feelings to know that you still think about me and my comic. That steak is on me, by the way.[/QUOTE]

A serving of schadenfreude is a dish best served those deserving it.


#21



Gothomo

It fills me with mirth that she's still a bit sore by what is ultimately the fault of the failure of your writing.
It fills me with strange feelings to know that you still think about me and my comic. That steak is on me, by the way.[/QUOTE]

A serving of schadenfreude is a dish best served those deserving it.[/QUOTE]

A serving of blood and razor blades is best received by those who relish in it.


#22

Dave

Dave

Oh you two!

I wonder how that gal ever got the idea we are how she thinks we are.


#23

Null

Null

It fills me with mirth that she's still a bit sore by what is ultimately the fault of the failure of your writing.
It fills me with strange feelings to know that you still think about me and my comic. That steak is on me, by the way.[/QUOTE]

A serving of schadenfreude is a dish best served those deserving it.[/QUOTE]

A serving of blood and razor blades is best received by those who relish in it.[/QUOTE]

Okay, that one made me laugh out loud. That's hilariously bad - like dubbed Italian horror movie bad.


#24



Gothomo

Okay, that one made me laugh out loud. That's hilariously bad - like dubbed Italian horror movie bad.
Good then, I'm glad you got the point :p


#25



Element 117

That'd be @Shegokigo.

But here's the sweet spot, cowboy. You're the Mighty WordSmythe. Ppitiable pukey protestations from mere mortals aside, a Poet Laureate awaits you. Surely you've already procured a pile of paychecks from publishing powerhouses like the New Yorker or the Atlantic, and the Push Cart Prize is mere steps away from your greatness. Believe in yourself, and go be great!

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Oh you two!

I wonder how that gal ever got the idea we are how she thinks we are.
I'll have you know I awaited his return with baited breath.


#26

Null

Null

Okay, that one made me laugh out loud. That's hilariously bad - like dubbed Italian horror movie bad.
Good then, I'm glad you got the point :p[/QUOTE]

Nope, I just thought it was a terrifically cheesy line. Still, head and shoulders above your other works.


#27



Gothomo

Oh you two!

I wonder how that gal ever got the idea we are how she thinks we are.
I think it might have something to do the thread going REALLY off topic.


#28

Null

Null

What topic?


#29



Gothomo

Nope, I just thought it was a terrifically cheesy line. Still, head and shoulders above your other works.
Metaphorical facepalm.


#30



Element 117

Nope, I just thought it was a terrifically cheesy line. Still, head and shoulders above your other works.
Metaphorical facepalm.[/QUOTE]



#31

Null

Null

There you go with the abstractions again.


#32



Gothomo

Nope, I just thought it was a terrifically cheesy line. Still, head and shoulders above your other works.
Metaphorical facepalm.[/QUOTE]

[/QUOTE]

INCONCEIVABLE!

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There you go with the abstractions again.
:)


#33

Null

Null

That really isn't something to smile about. Your writing is weak because you anchor it with nothing. It has no substance, and because it carries no weight, it has no impact on the reader.


#34



Gothomo

That really isn't something to smile about. Your writing is weak because you anchor it with nothing. It has no substance, and because it carries no weight, it has no impact on the reader.
Your post is weak because you anchor your opinion within with one instance of my poetry and some comic scripts that end up being heavily edited by the artist. I understand that you have little else to go on, but do think a moment before assuming anything about my prose.

For that matter, I doubt that you or Fangoria would ever say that anything I write is good because you have prematurely decided that the entire body of my work is abstract and juvenile. You fail to realize that I am not a poet, nor have I had any formal training on poetry. You also fail to realize that I am new to writing comics.

I readily accept that you don't like my work. You don't have to. Do take a workshop on how to critique though, you're terrible at it.

SMILE :)


#35

Cajungal

Cajungal

Oh lawd.


#36

Gusto

Gusto

Lawdy.


#37



Element 117

That really isn't something to smile about. Your writing is weak because you anchor it with nothing. It has no substance, and because it carries no weight, it has no impact on the reader.
Your post is weak because you anchor it with one instance of my poetry and some comic scripts that end up being heavily edited by the artist.

SMILE :)[/QUOTE]

This from the guy who said my blogpost was emo shit!
:laugh:


#38

Null

Null

Ok, you know what, Sally? When you post things online for people to read, unfortunately, they might actually do so. And when that's the work YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO PUT ON DISPLAY, then yes, people are going to feel that's a measure of your ability - or in your case, inability.

I've given you two pieces of good advice for writing. Your flippant, sappy-faced dismissal of it shows how worthless you are as a writer - you can't recognize something that can help you get better. I haven't pre-emptively decided anything - I have seen the work you've made available, and it is bad.


#39

ElJuski

ElJuski

I want to make a point that I was actually the nice one in this thread!!!!!


COMIC SANS IS CHANGING ME


#40

Gusto

Gusto

I want to make a point that I was actually the nice one in this thread!!!!!


COMIC SANS IS CHANGING ME
Everything you say is so whimsical now!


#41



Gothomo

Oh the drama.

Oh right, I caused that. My bad.


#42

Cajungal

Cajungal

I want to make a point that I was actually the nice one in this thread!!!!!


COMIC SANS IS CHANGING ME
Everything you say is so whimsical now![/QUOTE]

From Achewood to Family Circus.


#43

ElJuski

ElJuski

tee hee


#44



Gothomo

This from the guy who said my blogpost was emo shit!
:laugh:
In my defense, it is.

I have a number to a suicide hotline somewhere in my folders from my days as a resident adviser if you need it. I'm being moderately serious about this. Depression is no laughing matter. I'm here for you.

That aside, my offer of that steak is still on. How do you like it? Rare, medium rare? For the love of God, don't say "well done".

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I want to make a point that I was actually the nice one in this thread!!!!!


COMIC SANS IS CHANGING ME
Everybody knows that any good artist uses Comic Sans.


#45

HCGLNS

HCGLNS

Erebus in the Outer Darkness

The shadow of night washed over me
and I realized I had never before looked properly at darkness.
Not with my eyes, in any case.
There is something cleaner in the darkness than in the light;
Something... unstained by the light of day.
The lights of the city, however, broke my conscious dream
as I glanced back towards it and wished it were gone.
My moment of tranquility was gone for the time being.
The concept of it being gone long was foolish.
It could always return, as soon as I missed it.
In all its essence and tranquility, the night was defunct.
Its subtlety was counteracted by disgust,
uttered only by a fainthearted affection.
Still, the night in all it had to offer
was expressed only by those soaking it in.
I, the wild-eyed idealist,
She, the spirited child of fire.
My heart, the fearful budding,
Her heart, the calm in the storm.
And if our very existence is punctuated by four identical
red specs on the low horizon, who is there to defy us?
If the above is your original wording, I prefer it to the revision.


#46

ElJuski

ElJuski

I want to make a point that I was actually the nice one in this thread!!!!!


COMIC SANS IS CHANGING ME
Everything you say is so whimsical now![/QUOTE]

From Achewood to Family Circus.[/QUOTE]

take it back

TAKE IT BACK


#47

Cajungal

Cajungal

I want to make a point that I was actually the nice one in this thread!!!!!


COMIC SANS IS CHANGING ME
Everything you say is so whimsical now![/QUOTE]

From Achewood to Family Circus.[/QUOTE]

take it back

TAKE IT BACK[/QUOTE]

Take your FONT back :humph:


#48

ElJuski

ElJuski

I DON'T WANT TO PAY THE REFUND FEE'



... SO HAVE A NICE DAY


#49

Morphine

Morphine

Not a big fan of poetry, overall.

I liked the notion of "something unstained by the light of day" though. For some reason, I enjoyed the thought of it.


#50



Gothomo

Not a big fan of poetry, overall.

I liked the notion of "something unstained by the light of day" though. For some reason, I enjoyed the thought of it.
I think that I unintentionally wrote two poems here. That concept was basically my intrigue at how dark the sky was on a moonless night over Lake Erie. My mind wandered with the thought and ended up in that poem.


#51

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Ehhhhhhhhhhh...

I'm sorry, but this did nothing for me. Perhaps it is simply my preference for non-Modern poetry (ranging from Shakespeare and Chaucer to Omar Khayyam and John Donne), but I could find very little tangible substance matter in the poem, something that would anchor it to a potentially real situation, that tangible something that is then heightened and reimagened through the language of poetry. The words to me are little more than lists of abstractions strung together with an invisible thread that I seem to be unable to grasp.

Like I said, not my cup of tea. Nor my first language. But... that's my two cents.


#52



Gothomo

Poetry isn't my first choice in writing, really. I decided to take up some poetry classes to fill a few humanities credits and found that I do enjoy it, but I am not particularly familiar with style yet. My biggest problem with writing poetry is that I have a hard time of it without being vague. It makes sense to me, but that's because I wrote it.

I prefer novel length prose over anything that I have shown here. Fiction is, ultimately, more my forte.

Still, I have found that writing short poetry is very relaxing. The only thing about these classes that I don't like is that I have to go by prompts much of the time. It tends to really limit how one writes.


#53



Element 117

I prefer novel length prose over anything that I have shown here. Fiction is, ultimately, more my forte.
Les mortels sont égaux; ce n'est pas la naissance,
C'est la seule vertu qui fait la différence.


#54

Null

Null

I think in your case, G, it's more of a lack of ability and refusal to change that limits your writing. A prompt isn't a barrier, it's a first step. A direction, nothing more. You can start with a prompt, and see where it leads you.


#55



Gothomo

I think in your case, G, it's more of a lack of ability and refusal to change that limits your writing. A prompt isn't a barrier, it's a first step. A direction, nothing more. You can start with a prompt, and see where it leads you.
If I didn't want to learn and polish my writing I wouldn't be posting here. The two posts containing poetry of mine were presented as open to critique, which you have offered and I have taken into account. Hell, I even have taken some writing advice from Fangoria/B.T (I really have no idea what her name is since she changes it so often). Sure, she presents her views in a tremendously bitchy way but the harshest critique seems to be what to help the most.

You are correct about writing prompts. I don't particularly like being told what to write about but it does produce more interesting work much of the time.

That said, I do appreciate your critique, but I do not appreciate being told that I have no desire to change how I write. I come here to present my writing to what is quite possibly the most heinous, brutal group of forum users that I have ever encountered. If I just wanted people to tell me how pretty my writing is I would go ahead and post on DeviantArt.


#56



Chazwozel

Just most of us. :Leyla:
Indeed. And here I was just getting bored. The Mighty Wordsmythe Who Will Always Write Better Than You has returned![/QUOTE]


If it was between Gothomo and you, I'd rather have him stay and you leave. Just putting that out there.

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Since Goth has the balls to throw up one of his poems for critique, I'll do the same:

Ancient

His legs were built sturdy and upright, after race they went

His arms flowed with assurance; pride in craft
grinding the axe; tilling the field to the fresh morning’s scent

His chest pounds the caged spirit, his feet course within the earth

His mind nimble, keen, and alert
ready to divulge into work
for his work was to live and live he did
every breath a blessing, and that he earned
Living life's adventure, never yearning for
times that which lay heavy upon the breast;
oft lead to quagmire and distress.

His was a realm now bereft of merit
Timeless and ancient, long forgo and forgotten

His Hands were thick with calloused memories and ripe with character
[FONT=&quot]
His body dwells and lingers in the remains.[/FONT]

Be gentile, it's my first time.


#57



Element 117

[/COLOR]Since Goth has the balls to throw up one of his poems for critique, I'll do the same:

Ancient

His legs were built sturdy and upright, after race they went

His arms flowed with assurance; pride in craft
grinding the axe; tilling the field to the fresh morning’s scent

His chest pounds the caged spirit, his feet course within the earth

His mind nimble, keen, and alert
ready to [STRIKE]divulge [/STRIKE] delve into work
for his work was to live and live he did
every breath a blessing, and that he earned
Living life's adventure, never yearning for
times that which lay heavy upon the breast;
oft lead to quagmire and distress.

His was a realm now bereft of merit
Timeless and ancient, long forgo and forgotten

His Hands were thick with calloused memories and ripe with character
[FONT=&quot]
His body dwells and lingers in the remains.[/FONT]

Be gentile, it's my first time.
re: divulge unless you meant : reveal, to make public, or make known

Re Timeless and ancient It's repetitive without being rhythmic. Read it aloud, and then have someone unfamiliar with it do the same.


#58



Gothomo

Just most of us. :Leyla:
Indeed. And here I was just getting bored. The Mighty Wordsmythe Who Will Always Write Better Than You has returned![/QUOTE]


If it was between Gothomo and you, I'd rather have him stay and you leave. Just putting that out there.

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Since Goth has the balls to throw up one of his poems for critique, I'll do the same:

Ancient

His legs were built sturdy and upright, after race they went

His arms flowed with assurance; pride in craft
grinding the axe; tilling the field to the fresh morning’s scent

His chest pounds the caged spirit, his feet course within the earth

His mind nimble, keen, and alert
ready to divulge into work
for his work was to live and live he did
every breath a blessing, and that he earned
Living life's adventure, never yearning for
times that which lay heavy upon the breast;
oft lead to quagmire and distress.

His was a realm now bereft of merit
Timeless and ancient, long forgo and forgotten

His Hands were thick with calloused memories and ripe with character
[FONT=&quot]
His body dwells and lingers in the remains.[/FONT]

Be gentile, it's my first time.[/QUOTE]


This is a good start to a poem. Right now though you're doing a lot of telling and not much showing. Show us this person, I want to be able to see what he does and who he is. I have a shadow of an image in my mind but it's your job to give the reader a full impression of what you're trying to convey.

I like the way you describe him (whoever he is).

I know that punctuation is fickle in poetry, but I would prefer more of it in this. I personally prefer all or none when it comes to poetry and right now about half of your punctuation is missing. Don't be afraid to use line breaks instead of punctuation if you prefer that style. I often use no punctuation at all if I can accommodate for it with line breaks. It's ultimately your choice, as long as you make sure that the reader knows how to read your poem.

As B.T. said, make sure that you don't get too redundant with your descriptions. You can use repetition to drive a point but I don't think that it's necessary until you build upon this idea.

Over all, great start. I'd like to see this idea go into greater detail.


#59

ElJuski

ElJuski

Shit, it's my turn. Something I wrote during The Great Breakup of '08 and touched up For All Of You Today:

Puppy love palpitations
morning sex sweat
backbone notched against
the pull-out couch bar
underwear warm, tossed aside,
curled and twisted
like something pretty


#60

Krisken

Krisken

I'm confused. Did I really get a moderator warning on this thread with the subject being "Awesome"?


#61



Gothomo

Shit, it's my turn. Something I wrote during The Great Breakup of '08 and touched up For All Of You Today:

Puppy love palpitations
morning sex sweat
backbone notched against
the pull-out couch bar
underwear warm, tossed aside,
curled and twisted
like something pretty
Short and simple. It works.

I like how this captures a very brief moment in time and seems to project the emotion of the moment very well. Relatable, but simple enough that it might not be. A lot to read into in so few lines.

I love short poetry.

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I'm confused. Did I really get a moderator warning on this thread with the subject being "Awesome"?
Wha? There's a warning on this thread?


#62



Element 117

I'm confused. Did I really get a moderator warning on this thread with the subject being "Awesome"?
Are you a mod now?


#63

Krisken

Krisken

I figure someone just thinks all moderators of the art forum really love poetry. As I said, I am a little confused by it.

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I'm confused. Did I really get a moderator warning on this thread with the subject being "Awesome"?
Are you a mod now?[/QUOTE]
I have been on this forum for roughly... oh, 5 months? (just the art forum)


#64

ElJuski

ElJuski

boosh?


#65

Krisken

Krisken

Damn, things can be confusing when you are away for a weekend! Nothing to see in my posts (as usual) folks, carry on as normal.


#66

ElJuski

ElJuski

ohhhh no I fell for that trick before, Kriskens.


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