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Here are your 99%...

What happens in the video? I just see a bunch of people standing around.


The 99% refers to the broke ass people right? That's about right then.

Um, that was tame as all hell.

As for the "99%" remark? Uh yeah, they'd be there fighting tooth and nail to save $5-20 on a game for their children/friends/themselves.

The 99% refers to the moronic mob masses that shop on Black Friday. And yeah, this is why the 99% is poor. You know how I spent my Friday morning after thanksgiving? Working out the final details on a project at work that's going to give me a solid 5k bonus.

Sorry, I just get pissed off this time of year watching people spend money they don't have and then picking their noses wondering why this country's so fucked up.

I'll give you a second to edit your post to reflect on your realization that of course the 99% would mob at Black Friday due to low incomes.

Whatever man. I got a 15 dollar picture frame for 4 bucks. It is going to be a really nice present for my sister. So if wanting to get good deals on stuff makes me a moron for some reason then I am perfectly fine with that.

I think it's pretty fucking disgusting too and I'm glad it doesn't happen here. We have boxing day/week after Christmas, but since Christmas is already ruined it's nice to cram both of those shitty consumer zerg rush periods together.

Spend more money you don't have on shit you don't need.

If you don't mind the mobs, go for it. People get a kick out of that bullshit. But personally I think it's a waste of time.

Poor 99% only able to shop one day a year.

What's your point there Mathias?

Oh I see, you're supporting the 99% because of the things they go through to be able to buy the things the 1% don't have to worry about getting.

Gotcha.

Shegokigo said:

I'll give you a second to edit your post to reflect on your realization that of course the 99% would mob at Black Friday due to low incomes.

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Now see, I originally was a proponent of that whole movement, but seeing shit like this makes me think otherwise, like that the reason people have financial trouble is because they're generally stupid.

I think pulling in platitudes about the 99% is a pretty thin argument on either side. Black Friday isn't for buying toilet paper; it's for buying electronics and Christmas presents. This has nothing to do with the poor people that actually need help. None of those people are there. I can tell you for a fact that none of my kids knows what the fuck "Black Friday" is.

Back in high school when a buddy got his first credit card, another friend asked him why he's spending money he doesn't have. He responded, "So I can buy things I can't afford." This same friend makes 6 figures bilking government contracts with his dad right now and still manages to be swimming in debt and poor. Somehow. It baffles everyone.

Shegokigo said:

What's your point there Mathias?

Oh I see, you're supporting the 99% because of the things they go through to be able to buy the things the 1% don't have to worry about getting.

Gotcha.

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Not really. I just don't like how people are morons. I just thought the 99% mob thing had a nice ring to it.

Even poor people enjoy giving Christmas presents so you wait and wait and wait for the deal to get really good. You don't have the luxury of shopping every day of the year like some people do. I'll never understand why it is consumerist bullshit to do all your big shopping once a year but if you spread it out all year long it is fine. That doesn't make any sense it is still buying stuff.

Also I love shopping but again I can't do it all year. I have to do it at christmas time when there are good deals and also I don't feel comfortable spending a lot of money on myself so it gives me a chance to buy a lot for a little and give it away as presents to my friends and family.

makare said:

Whatever man. I got a 15 dollar picture frame for 4 bucks. It is going to be a really nice present for my sister. So if wanting to get good deals on stuff makes me a moron for some reason then I am perfectly fine with that.

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What makes you a moron is that you endured traffic and mobs for a 4 dollar frame, when it will probably be 2 dollars come January 2nd.
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makare said:

Even poor people enjoy giving Christmas presents so you wait and wait and wait for the deal to get really good. You don't have the luxury of shopping every day of the year like some people do. I'll never understand why it is consumerist bullshit to do all your big shopping once a year but if you spread it out all year long it is fine. That doesn't make any sense it is still buying stuff.
Also I love shopping but again I can't do it all year. I have to do it at christmas time when there are good deals and also I don't feel comfortable spending a lot of money on myself so it gives me a chance to buy a lot for a little and give it away as presents to my friends and family.

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No. If this was true, people would shop and save things throughout the year for Christmas. This is what I do. I don't have any outstanding credit cards either... Black Friday IS all consumerist bullshit. Period. People go and they buy shit they don't need. Then they whine about how poor and in debt they are.


For the record. There are NO good deals during the Christmas shopping season. None. You do realize that prices get slightly jacked at their MSRPs, and then put on "sale" for relatively the same price the goods are throughout the year. Right? Just cause the tag says "sale" doesn't mean you're saving money. You're also still buying shit you wouldn't otherwise buy.

We wouldn't need Black Friday if we still made use of the Colosseum.

I'd argue that there are probably better deals off-season, but really, the crux of it is, there are deals, and people like deals, and people like shopping, and sometimes people like competitive shopping, and I don't have to deal with it, so I really don't give a fuck.

And you know what? It saves me from seething at the huddled masses yearning to shop cheap.

Has it every occurred to you that people might enjoy the energy and adrenaline of shopping in a mob? That is might be, you know, fun for them? And I don't want it for January 2nd I want it for December 25th (Christmas).

Mathias said:

What makes you a moron is that you endured traffic and mobs for a 4 dollar frame, when it will probably be 2 dollars come January 2nd.
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No. If this was true, people would shop and save things throughout the year for Christmas. This is what I do. I don't have any outstanding credit cards either... Black Friday IS all consumerist bullshit. Period. People go and they buy shit they don't need. Then they whine about how poor and in debt they are.

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But they got a 400 dollar iPod for 299.99.

Frankie Williamson said:

But they got a 400 dollar iPod for 299.99.

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And spent 30 dollars on gas due to traffic, 20 dollars on food and drinks while at the mall, then 40 dollars on a pair of shoes they wouldn't normally buy....
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makare said:

Has it every occurred to you that people might enjoy the energy and adrenaline of shopping in a mob? That is might be, you know, fun for them? And I don't want it for January 2nd I want it for December 25th (Christmas).

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Yeah that's pretty pathetic...
And like I said, you could have bought a frame in January of 2011 for 2 dollars and saved it for Christmas 2011. BUT YOU WANT IT NOW NOW NOW
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Or you could have worked on Friday like me and made 5K and just afford shit without the stupid sales...

Well you don't see the enjoyment of shopping in a large group at christmas time and i dont see the enjoyment of smacking a puck around on ice. So I guess we are pretty even there.

makare said:

Well you don't see the enjoyment of shopping in a large group at christmas time and i dont see the enjoyment of smacking a puck around on ice. So I guess we are pretty even there.

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Except smacking a puck around the ice isn't a fucking waste of time and money...

shopping doesn't keep you shape.
shopping increases your stress levels
shopping makes you go broke
shopping can ruin your credit score
shopping is bad for the environment


Hockey: I spent about 1000 bucks on gear that I've used for about 10 years. I play for free. It keeps me in shape. It reduces my stress.

Is this going to be another makare got all offended because I inadvertently called something she likes to do stupid?

Well the waste of time is pretty debatable. But how much do you pay for equipment to play?

I find collecting injun scalps a pretty good use of my time, skills and money.

Well this thread is stupid now.

makare said:

Has it every occurred to you that people might enjoy the energy and adrenaline of shopping in a mob? That is might be, you know, fun for them? And I don't want it for January 2nd I want it for December 25th (Christmas).

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You could make a paper-thin defense of anything by saying "Maybe the person likes (blank".

"I hate when people piss on the sidewalk."
"Has it ever occurred to you that people might enjoy pissing on the sidewalk?"

"I hate when people are stupid."
"Has it ever occurred to you that people might enjoy being stupid?"

"I hate when people disagree for the sake of arguing."
"Has it ever occurred to you that people might enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing?"

makare said:

Well the waste of time is pretty debatable. But how much do you pay for equipment to play?

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1000 bucks over the course of about 10 years.

Why can't we have a conversation about something where we don't agree without you making it personal? As far as I can tell no one is offended by anything here.

Quotemander Prime said:

You could make a paper-thin defense of anything by saying "Maybe the person likes (blank".

"I hate when people piss on the sidewalk."
"Has it ever occurred to you that people might enjoy pissing on the sidewalk?"

"I hate when people are stupid."
"Has it ever occurred to you that people might enjoy being stupid?"

"I hate when people disagree for the sake of arguing."
"Has it ever occurred to you that people might enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing?"

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The argument against shopping isn't just that it is stupid or whatever it is implying that people do it just because they are greedy lemmings or something. But the reality is a lot of people love shopping at Christmas time because of the energy, the colors, the sounds just the overall experience. Sure I could buy something in March for Christmas but it wouldn't be the same. It is a completely different experience. Also by then the person might have bought it for themselves or lost interest in it. Then I'd be stuck with whatever it was which has happened to me before. That's why I save money for Christmas shopping instead of buy gifts all year.

Frankie Williamson said:

Well this thread is stupid now.

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This thread turned into Makare likes to shop and is pissed off when people call Black Friday shoppers stupid cattle, driven by false claims and sales and later wonder why they're poor.

makare said:

Why can't we have a conversation about something where we don't agree without you making it personal? As far as I can tell no one is offended by anything here.

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I think you already made it personal with the "Well, I got my frame, and my sister's really gonna like it, so you're wrong."

At least this horrible person turned themselves in: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/11/26/alleged-walmart-pepper-sprayer-surrenders/

I'd nominate her for "Poster Child for Terrible People with Severely Misplaced Priorities."

makare said:

Why can't we have a conversation about something where we don't agree without you making it personal? As far as I can tell no one is offended by anything here.

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Says you...

Mathias said:

This thread turned into Makare likes to shop and is pissed off when people call Black Friday shoppers stupid cattle, driven by false claims and sales and later wonder why they're poor.

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Cattle's right, but it looks more like pigs fighting over a single trough.

(grandpa ran a pig farm)

Quotemander Prime said:

I think you already made it personal with the "Well, I got my frame, and my sister's really gonna like it, so you're wrong."

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And then she brings my playing hockey in for comparison when the comparison really is pretty terrible to begin with.
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Frankie Williamson said:

Cattle's right, but it looks more like pigs fighting over a single trough.
(grandpa ran a pig farm)

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I feel that way about buffet restaurants.

(I'm sorry if makare likes buffets)

Well I didn't realize that the only people who were allowed to post in this thread with impunity were the ones who have an inexplicable loathing for shopping at Christmas time. My point about the frame was I am happy I got something I've been looking for for a reasonable price so yay and the hockey comparison was that not everything people do for enjoyment makes sense to everyone else. Sorry that wasn't clear.

I like taking photos of crying old people. It's inexpensive, and there's a great online readership for such art material.

makare said:

Well I didn't realize that the only people who were allowed to post in this thread with impunity were the ones who have an inexplicable loathing for shopping at Christmas time. My point about the frame was I am happy I got something I've been looking for for a reasonable price so yay and the hockey comparison was that not everything people do for enjoyment makes sense to everyone else. Sorry that wasn't clear.

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Makare: I get you're happy about your frame. Last year, I was happy to get some deals on Amazon for my little cousins.

But you can't really defend these people who are hitting, shoving, acting like animals over video games, toys, and bullshit. I mean, I know legally you'd have to act like someone is an angel if they end up being your client, but outside of work, as real people, you know this shit is wrong.

And I don't think you can ignore that a lot of people blow money they don't have just because they can blow a little less of that money at a point. If I have $300 in the bank, and the $500 TV is on sale for $250, maybe one would think they're smart for saving $250, but they're still spending $250 and leaving themselves only a little bit in the bank for the shit that's actually important. That's stupid behavior. It's also stupid when people spend money, assuming nothing's going to go wrong in the next month or so--because no one ever knows what's going to happen, and suddenly that money you no longer have could be really important because of a sudden medical bill, employment change, etc. (and I can say that from immediate experience).

makare said:

Well I didn't realize that the only people who were allowed to post in this thread with impunity were the ones who have an inexplicable loathing for shopping at Christmas time. My point about the frame was I am happy I got something I've been looking for for a reasonable price so yay and the hockey comparison was that not everything people do for enjoyment makes sense to everyone else. Sorry that wasn't clear.

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yeah post in and read a thread titled 'black friday makes me sick' saying how much you love shopping expecting no contest

youre an idiot

just seems like a lot of misplaced resentment goin' on round these parts.

*sits back in chair
*puffs pipe

ElJuski said:

just seems like a lot of misplaced resentment goin' on round these parts.

*sits back in chair
*puffs pipe

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i always have resentment when makare opens her flap; going back to ignoring her.

When I think of shopping absurdity I always think of this

Quotemander Prime said:

Makare: I get you're happy about your frame. Last year, I was happy to get some deals on Amazon for my little cousins.

But you can't really defend these people who are hitting, shoving, acting like animals over video games, toys, and bullshit. I mean, I know legally you'd have to act like someone is an angel if they end up being your client, but outside of work, as real people, you know this shit is wrong.

And I don't think you can ignore that a lot of people blow money they don't have just because they can blow a little less of that money at a point. If I have $300 in the bank, and the $500 TV is on sale for $250, maybe one would think they're smart for saving $250, but they're still spending $250 and leaving themselves only a little bit in the bank for the shit that's actually important. That's stupid behavior. It's also stupid when people spend money, assuming nothing's going to go wrong in the next month or so--because no one ever knows what's going to happen, and suddenly that money you no longer have could be really important because of a sudden medical bill, employment change, etc. (and I can say that from immediate experience).

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Maybe we can agree that while there are idiots out there who over spend themselves to get stuff they don't need not everyone, including myself, does that? Not every shopping mall turns into a riot over a cheap vacuum sometimes people are just shopping and enjoying themselves?

The shopping time I tend to over extend myself is when bath and body has their big sale around February. Their 25 dollar stuff is like 5 bucks and I buy that shit out. So I am guilty of it to at times, I think most people are, but not always at christmas and not everyone.

I mean honestly it just seemed like she was saying that there are some people who actually enjoy the thrill of that stuff. I don't agree with her, and I doubt she agrees with people being violent mob animals, but I can see where she's coming from.

I also just stay away from the stores on Black Friday, because I know that'd piss me off. And whoodathunkit, I didn't think about it one bit until this thread on Small Business Saturday.

I just had a thought, how many of you love shopping to begin with? Because if you hate shopping you are definitely going to hate shopping at Christmas even more.

Y'all so crazy.

Bumble the Boy Wonder said:

Y'all so crazy.

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Crazy for deals you mean.

makare said:

I just had a thought, how many of you love shopping to begin with? Because if you hate shopping you are definitely going to hate shopping at Christmas even more.

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That doesn't mean they can't criticize, but yeah--I hate shopping. I hate spending.

I. HATE. CHRISTMAS. RAAARRRRR!

damn pagan christmas haters


(that was a joke just to be clear)

Shopping deals are not worth this:
Report: Shoppers unfazed as man dies at Target
"Family and friends were stunned by the loss of a West Virginia man who died while shopping on Black Friday as fellow bargain hunters reportedly walked around — and even over — the man’s body."


But, at least I haven't read any stories of people trampled to death this year (or stabbed, or shot) like previous years.

There's a reason why I avoid these sales like the plague that they are.

that would have been amazing if it had been actual waffles. I am a little let down now....

figmentPez said:

Shopping deals are not worth this:
Report: Shoppers unfazed as man dies at Target
"Family and friends were stunned by the loss of a West Virginia man who died while shopping on Black Friday as fellow bargain hunters reportedly walked around — and even over — the man’s body."


But, at least I haven't read any stories of people trampled to death this year (or stabbed, or shot) like previous years.

There's a reason why I avoid these sales like the plague that they are.

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It's cool, some people probably saved some money.

saving money is awesome!

Here you go, some Black Friday savings!


http://www.ranker.com/list/13-most-brutal-black-friday-injuries-and-deaths/john-barryman
Yes, that says deaths.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/25/business/money-black-friday-incidents/index.html

Espy said:

At least this horrible person turned themselves in: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/11/26/alleged-walmart-pepper-sprayer-surrenders/

I'd nominate her for "Poster Child for Terrible People with Severely Misplaced Priorities."

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Cain't be wrong, can it? I'm sure she got the idea from watching the police some people in uniforms do it on TV.

--Patrick

I worked on black Friday, selling cell phones to people swamping the store because of our deals. It vastly helped our sales numbers, and made me quite a bit of money on commissions. So I'm ok with black Friday.

Oh shit, when did I become the 1%?

Poor Poe losing his mass identity.

Mo money mo problems.

I worked on Black Friday and honestly, the only really rude people we got were on the phone.As a note, it is a video game store, so we -were- swamped, but if all you're going to show is people going crazy at Walmart style stores...

Shegokigo said:

http://www.ranker.com/list/13-most-brutal-black-friday-injuries-and-deaths/john-barryman
Yes, that says deaths.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/25/business/money-black-friday-incidents/index.html

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If they're already committed to busting down the doors and killing each other, why bother paying? Why not just rush in and loot the fucking Wal-mart like the scum they are?

Quotemander Prime said:

If they're already committed to busting down the doors and killing each other, why bother paying? Why not just rush in and loot the fucking Wal-mart like the scum they are?

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That sounded so super villainy....

makare said:

That sounded so super villainy....

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You'll pay for this, gadget!

-bestbuy employee to man looking at mp3 player

Oh my god poe... that's hysterical XD

haha, it was a joy for me working the morning of this year. we made PHAT LOOTZ!

Espy said:

Knock off the name calling Matthias. Anymore reported posts about it and the thread is in risk of getting locked. I know this topic can be discussed without people attacking each other even if they have differing opinions.

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Oh noes did I hurts her feewings?

ITT: Mathias complains about morons then doesn't understand why being vitriolic and immature is frowned upon.

I came to this thread assuming it was about how Black Friday always ends up in hundreds of injuries and a death or two here and there. And that DOES make me sick, that people can be so inhuman as to not realize they're trampling and killing a Wal-Mart employee. You know goddamn well those people don't fucking want to work on Black Friday. Then they die. Buh.

I wasn't expecting "Poor people like to save money."

Also, your argument isn't even completely valid. Black Friday and Electronics Monday (or whatever it's called) are THE days to buy things. Regardless of "mark-up", any study you look at shows that the percentage off of the average cost is greater than on any other day. Your $15 picture frame that went down to $4 is NOT going to drop back to $2 after Christmas. The only way that might happen is if it's a purely Christmas themed item.

Just like with candy for Halloween and chocolates for Valentine's Day, Christmas shit will be more expensive before Christmas, and dirt-ass cheap the days following. But regular shit will stay roughly the same.

Also, not everyone is a goddamn Rocket Scientist. Most people can't work a Friday and pull in 5 g's. Even most well-educated people with good jobs would have a hard time pulling that.

And calling them the 99%? We're all the 99% here. Every last one of us, including you. The 1% refers to the people that control the billions of dollars in the world. Even referring to that here is asinine.

The absolute poorest of the poor do not shop on Black Friday. They do not shop, because they can't. They don't even have credit cards. Or cars to get to the fucking store. Those people don't go out.

These are average joes, ranging from lower-to-upper middle class, just like everyone else here.

Damn, I don't think I've ever seen doomdragon bring the flame breath before.

:clap:

I can't possibly like Doomdragon's post enough. As someone who grew up well below the poverty line and is working his ass off to get through college and into a good doctoral program, I pretty much find Mathias's characterization of poor people at the very least offensive, at the most, classist bullcrap.

Doom I have 19 bucks in my bank account do I count?

I got my mom a $1200 HDTV for $600. In September.

While all the "Black Friday" insanity was going on I was safely tucked away... at work.

By the time I finally did make it out to the store, it was going on 7pm and everyone else was at the football game. Black Friday didn't count by then. Although I did have to resist the urge to tell these two girls checking out the $300 Beats headphones to walk away. Just walk away.

(My $80 Grados kick the crap out of the Beats at a quarter of the price)

What, you think people buy Monster Beats for the sound? C'mon now.

doomdragon6 said:

ITT: Mathias complains about morons then doesn't understand why being vitriolic and immature is frowned upon.

I came to this thread assuming it was about how Black Friday always ends up in hundreds of injuries and a death or two here and there. And that DOES make me sick, that people can be so inhuman as to not realize they're trampling and killing a Wal-Mart employee. You know goddamn well those people don't fucking want to work on Black Friday. Then they die. Buh.

I wasn't expecting "Poor people like to save money."

Also, your argument isn't even completely valid. Black Friday and Electronics Monday (or whatever it's called) are THE days to buy things. Regardless of "mark-up", any study you look at shows that the percentage off of the average cost is greater than on any other day. Your $15 picture frame that went down to $4 is NOT going to drop back to $2 after Christmas. The only way that might happen is if it's a purely Christmas themed item.

Just like with candy for Halloween and chocolates for Valentine's Day, Christmas shit will be more expensive before Christmas, and dirt-ass cheap the days following. But regular shit will stay roughly the same.

Also, not everyone is a goddamn Rocket Scientist. Most people can't work a Friday and pull in 5 g's. Even most well-educated people with good jobs would have a hard time pulling that.

And calling them the 99%? We're all the 99% here. Every last one of us, including you. The 1% refers to the people that control the billions of dollars in the world. Even referring to that here is asinine.

The absolute poorest of the poor do not shop on Black Friday. They do not shop, because they can't. They don't even have credit cards. Or cars to get to the fucking store. Those people don't go out.

These are average joes, ranging from lower-to-upper middle class, just like everyone else here.

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You're looking way too much into this.

99% of people who shop on Black Fridays are morons. Simple enough? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that most of the people that shop on Black Friday trying to score a 32 inch Plasma TV for 100 bucks are the same people that aren't smart enough to just save the money for one at regular price.

They will go in at 12 am, trample over the employees of the store, see that they missed out on the limited quantity purchase, and go on to buy other shit they don't need. Then come January when the rush has faded, they'll look at they're credit card statements wondering how the hell they ended up in so much debt.

This is exactly what wealthy people who know how to handle their money know NOT to do. And if you find what I'm saying offensive because spending money for "sale" items that you don't have is what you do too, well then, that's why your ass is broke.

Oh and, yeah, regular shit goes massively on sale after Christmas. Retail stores try to get rid of Christmas sale shit in line for new crap all the time. If TV sales during the holiday season sucked, expect TV's to drop massively in price in January. If they didn't, wait till after the Super Bowl.

Black Friday is a crap shoot if best, and the whole ploy is to get you into the store and get into the whole "christmas spirit"- as makare was eluding to. Christmas spirit meaning you get your full retard on and max out your cards buying shit you don't need.

Mathias, "Not Getting It" since like, forever?

Shegokigo said:

Mathias, "Not Getting It" since like, forever?

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oh shut up, youve had a vendetta out for me since i told you dead rising was garbage.
https://www.halforums.com/

Oh that's adorable. Do you really think I'd hold a grudge over anything, ever? Much less a game?



You're in the wrong so deep you can't even see it. You're not the 1% but you're most definitely in no position to look like anything but an aloof idiot on this subject.

I find it adorable that Mathias believes that the only people who shop on black friday are poor.

Is it a huge marketing gimmick? you bet your ass it is. As is every other made up holiday that we have, like valentine's day.

I know plenty of people who are middle to upper middle class who simply shop on black friday because they like to save money.

You really do just sound like some sort of effete classist looking down on the poor little plebeians who are less than you, and quite frankly, that makes me sick.

You won't catch me anywhere near any type of store other than a grocery store from mid November to mid January because I simply hate crowds, so no, I don't have a personal axe to grind about the act of black friday shopping itself, however, I do find your arrogance and outright stupidity to be laughable.

Mathias, your accusations of laziness on the part of Black Friday shoppers as the explanation to their lack of liquidity requiring them to look for the deals only available at Walmart on Black Friday are offensive to me on an intellectual level...

...everyone knows that truly lazy people shop at Amazon. If you go to Walmart, you might have to fight for it. No, thanks!

Bowielee said:

I find it adorable that Mathias believes that the only people who shop on black friday are poor.

Is it a huge marketing gimmick? you bet your ass it is. As is every other made up holiday that we have, like valentine's day.

I know plenty of people who are middle to upper middle class who simply shop on black friday because they like to save money.

You really do just sound like some sort of effete classist looking down on the poor little plebeians who are less than you, and quite frankly, that makes me sick.

You won't catch me anywhere near any type of store other than a grocery store from mid November to mid January because I simply hate crowds, so no, I don't have a personal axe to grind about the act of black friday shopping itself, however, I do find your arrogance and outright stupidity to be laughable.

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haha. how do you save money by shopping?

By buying something you were going to buy anyway at a discounted price. Are you really that dense?

No, he's just that far removed from any reality but his own to understand it.

Bowielee said:

By buying something you were going to buy anyway at a discounted price. Are you really that dense?

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Yeah cause people really buy what they where going to buy anyway on Black Friday...

See?

Oh nice. Mob time.
Grab your torch and pitchfork, it's Halforum moron gang up time.

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Man, I didn't realize Black Friday was so special to so many... Can't wait till Cyber Monday when almost all of halforums buys shit they don't need AT DISCOUNT LOW LOW PRICES!

Mathias said:

Yeah cause people really buy what they where going to buy anyway on Black Friday...

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How would you know? You obviously wouldn't associate yourself with anyone who would shop on Black Friday.

That assumption that all people who shop on black friday are living beyond their means is baseless and ignorant, so I'm considering you completely full of it until you can come up with some sort of proof to back up your sweeping generalization.

Well to be fair, I'm saying that black friday shoppers are mostly stupid...
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Bowielee said:

How would you know? You obviously wouldn't associate yourself with anyone who would shop on Black Friday.
That assumption that all people who shop on black friday are living beyond their means is baseless and ignorant, so I'm considering you completely full of it until you can come up with some sort of proof to back up your sweeping generalization.

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http://www.amazon.com/Rich-People-Think-Steve-Siebold/dp/0975500341

a nice summary:

http://www.divinecaroline.com/22255/120322-black-friday-shopping-isn-t-always

more

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505144_162-57326711/black-friday-shopping-5-reasons-to-stay-home/

http://www.totallymoney.com/blogs/reasons-black-friday-isnt-worth/
But you're right to a degree. According to Keynesian economics we need people to blow their money every year, so shop on shoppers. Shop on.

SALE SALE SALE

Your links don't have anything to do with my point whatsoever. I'm done with the conversation anyway as arguing with you is akin to banging my head against a wall.

Bowielee said:

Your links don't have anything to do with my point whatsoever. I'm done with the conversation anyway as arguing with you is akin to banging my head against a wall.

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You end up purchasing way more than you can afford or need.
Stores don’t offer deep discounts out of holiday goodwill. Rather, management knows that a huge sale often gets people to buy more than they normally would. “Middle Class America is notorious for living beyond their means, especially on Black Friday,” says Siebold. “They are brainwashed about how much money they are supposedly saving on Black Friday, and they end up buying way more than they would on any other day during the year.” You might find yourself more likely to “stock up” on items that are half-price, but remember a deal is only a deal if you were going to buy the items anyway.

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Via http://www.divinecaroline.com/22255/120322-black-friday-shopping-isn-t-always#ixzz1es8nz2Sn​

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SAVE SAVE BUY BUY SALE SALE

Hey now, everyone keep a cool head or else someone's going to get trampled in this thread.

--Patrick

As an impartial third party in this thread, I find myself in the unique position to say:

lol

It's weird that I find merit both in what Doom is saying and what Matthias is saying. Almost as if parts of what's being said aren't actually in disagreement, and there wouldn't be an argument if that common middle ground weren't shrouded in blanket systems.

gonna put it this way, I worked retail for years up. commision based retail. I dont like it, not because of any of the shit you guys put up, because i don't like getting up at 4 am to sell shit to people.

Hey, what's.. ah, shit.

Krisken said:

Hey, what's.. ah, shit.

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Come hide in the bushes with me.

Bumble the Boy Wonder said:

As an impartial third party in this thread, I find myself in the unique position to say:

lol

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Me in this thread:

Who the fuck is ElJuski? (that's a joke, people)

Krisken said:

Who the fuck is ElJuski? (that's a joke, people)

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Man I'm kinda bummed that we gotta hashtag jokes around this piece these days we're all getting some rough chuckles talking about Black Friday

Rough Chuckles was my porn name

All threads get derailed. This one doubly so.

Bumble the Boy Wonder said:

Rough Chuckles was my porn name

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was?

Bumble the Boy Wonder said:

Come hide in the bushes with me.

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Don't do it Krisken. It's not what you think it is.

Krisken said:

All threads get derailed. This one doubly so.

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You're at a fork in the road. We could either talk continue the Black Friday bitchfest, or we can get zany.

THE CHOICE IS YOURS FRIEND

ElJuski said:

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There were copyright issues. Apparently Rough Chuckles was the name of some clown rapist in Ohio in the 70's

So it's like a Gallagher / Gallagher 2 thing. I dig.

No, that was Chuck Ruffles. I can see how you'd get the two confused.

--Patrick

but anyways fuck the capitalist swine braying at the doors of consumer gluttony

#chaos

Not sure I can handle the pressure of a decision Juski. I think I'll bow out and let this thread crumble of its own accord.

Hey, what we talking about? Rebecca Black Friday!

Bowielee said:

By buying something you were going to buy anyway at a discounted price.

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While I agree that's a good point... I'm wary of the merchandise that's put out on Black Friday. The computers, especially, are likely to be lower quality units with a high failure rate attached. That $2 waffle maker that people were fighting to grab? Chance are if you're really going to use a waffle maker, that's not the one you want. It might be worth the $2, but it's not worth the fight, or any of the other hassles of Black Friday. A good waffle maker will cost more, but it'll also work better and last longer. That's true for a lot of the junk that's being pushed out as deals on the day after Thanksgiving.

My counter-point in summation: That "deal" you're getting isn't what you would have purchased anyway, it's the cheaper knock-off version that's specially made to be that discount (or put on discount because it wasn't selling well because it's lacking features or is slightly defective).

Thats definitely true at walmart like stores. But the stuff there is lower quality anyway. Like they had this vacuum on sale, I would have really liked it and it was a good deal but in reality it would make more sense to buy a better vacuum for more money. However getting that more money is always the problem.

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Thats definitely true at walmart like stores. But the stuff there is lower quality anyway. Like they had this vacuum on sale, I would have really liked it and it was a good deal but in reality it would make more sense to buy a better vacuum for more money. However getting that more money is always the problem.

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Which is a lot of times why some people end up in a crap place with money and can't get out of it. I saw an example in one of the Watch books of Discworld, probably Men-at-Arms when Vimes is marrying into wealth and realizes he's never had a decent pair of boots before. He could spend 30 dollars on crappy boots and need to get new ones every year, while someone rich could spend 100 dollars on great boots and not need another pair for ten years, so in the end, the rich person spent less money. It's why I've told my wife we can't have certain things right now--I want us to have the money to buy stuff that will last, not just stuff to have now.

For some things that works but for other things you are kind of in a rut. Like the vacuum it is pretty much a necessity. The one I have is basically broken but I am going to use it until it bursts into flame because I can't afford even a cheap crappy one. But I'll be able to afford a cheap crappy one long before I can afford a nice one.

Also anyone else experience the "finally i saved some money aw shit something broke!" syndrome? Like I finally get a head a bit on money and then my computer would break or my car would jettison a key implement or something. Fucking karma. I never should have robbed that nun

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Also anyone else experience the "finally i saved some money aw shit something broke!" syndrome? Like I finally get a head a bit on money and then my computer would break or my car would jettison a key implement or something. Fucking karma. I never should have robbed that nun

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Yeah, I hate that shit. It was a common issue when living with my mom to hear my stepdad say "We were just getting ahead" after the fridge broke, or the water heater, or the car, etc.

I actually shopped on Black Friday this year. I didn't line up Thanksgiving evening, or wake up at three-hours-before-dawn-o'clock to go. I left around 9:30 A.M. and found a couple things I've been looking to buy, and a couple things I didn't think of but would make nice gifts for myself (Merry Christmas, me!) or someone else. Maybe it's because I live in the middle of nowhere, but almost everything that was stocked at midnight was still stocked when I left the last place I went at 11:45.

I've been looking for a new television for several months. The one I have is going to hell, where bad televisions go when they finally die, which is at some point after a bunch of the features stop working correctly (the point where it is now). I ordered a new one Friday, which is nicer and less expensive than one I might've bought before Friday or today.

Yeah, some people act like dunces on Black Friday, but I'm sure they act like that most other days, too. I'm of the opinion that 30% off the price of something doesn't generally make decent people into raging, rabid assholes. An advertised sale getting many of those people in the same place at the same time shouldn't qualify everyone else there for the same insults that the foaming-at-the-mouth people get.

This was my first Black Friday shopping trip in several years and everyone I ran into was very polite and considerate. Even the employees who were there from the night before were cordial, despite being absolutely exhausted.

Just thought I'd share my experience. I had fun and I know most of the people there at the same time did also. Whether it was financially responsible for them isn't my concern, so I don't ask or pass judgment.

PotaDOS said:

Yeah, some people act like dunces on Black Friday, but I'm sure they act like that most other days, too. I'm of the opinion that 30% off the price of something doesn't generally make decent people into raging, rabid assholes. An advertised sale getting many of those people in the same place at the same time shouldn't qualify everyone else there for the same insults that the foaming-at-the-mouth people get.

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Wow, that's a good point. A lot of the people we see in the news on this stuff are probably worthless fucks the other 360+ days of the year anyway.

Quotemander Prime said:

Hey, what we talking about? Rebecca Black Friday!

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Don't joke, I actually saw this on TV a few days ago, and facepalmed myself with the remote...

I don't agree with the course this thread has taken into civility

ElJuski said:

I don't agree with the course this thread has taken into civility

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I'll try to get this back on track.

thank you!

Allen who is Quiet said:

I'll try to get this back on track.

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That may be the greatest gif in history.

@Quotemander: Damn your eyes for posting that abomination... I have NO idea what possessed me to click on it.

Thank God for FigPez posting that wonderful music video in the Pony thread, or else I'd have had that trash stuck in my head all day.

I heard it drifting in from the other room at one point and thought, "Well, I can't say as I am surprised."

--Patrick

Quotemander Prime said:

Wow, that's a good point. A lot of the people we see in the news on this stuff are probably worthless fucks the other 360+ days of the year anyway.

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That was pretty much the point I was trying to make. Some people are going to do all the negative stuff that people in here who are against Black Friday are talking about AND the news focuses on but the vast majority are just people who are shopping and enjoying themselves.


Lol a lot of people I know love that Kohl's ad. XD

This isn't a Black Friday rant but I feel need to rant about this level of grinchiness.

Today was Down Town St. Johns annual Christmas parade. Our parade is nothing compared to parades in other places but it is still nice and I have only missed two in my entire life. Now that Jet is around I'm passing on this tradition. The whole family went down to watch the crappy floats and we congregated in out usual spot on the side of the road.

So the parade has started, we're running late but the rest of the family is there. We cross the road, get in out spot and my husband and I flank Jet so we can share in the magic with him. Steve bends over to fix Jet glove..and then is hauled up by the shoulder but a bald Scottish man who spins him rather roughly around.

He has his little girl on his shoulders but he gets in Steves face. "How long have you been here?! We've been here for 3 hours holding this spot and you and your dumb shit kid just butts in line?!"

Steve says he's sorry and moves away, nearly a foot so the man and his family could have more room. Then his wife starts saying we are in her picture and he starts yelling at Steve again. I get in between and apologize, explaining that we're here with a whole group (most of them were looking quite upset) and we had given him plenty of room. He keeps at it, calling us names, his daughter starting to cry and his wife egging him on.

Steve, who as you may remember has some temper issues, finally told him we weren't moving. There streets are packed. If it wasn't us it was going to be someone else standing there and we WEREN'T in his or his kids way. He held his cool well and turned his back.

The guy didn't bother us again but the rest of the parade he kept talking loudly and rudely about us...which my father kept responding too with 'Merry Christmas sir!' which would earn more dirty looks.

Really, what's the matter with people?

The fucker was using his daughter on his shoulders as a shield so your husband wouldn't punch him like he deserved. Cowardly dipshit.

Steve did exactly the right thing. The first time is being considerate the second is being patient; any more than that and you're kowtowing, which is never an acceptable course of action. And he stayed classy by throwing in the reminders for why y'all were all there, too. Outstanding job on Steve's part, I feel. *applause*

The only thing that could have gone differently would be to upbraid the rogue for his foul language in front of the children.

My Dad told us after we should have brought the mounties attention to it. They were RIGHT THERE...like, the graduates were walking, there were some coppers in a squad car...and then there were four mounties on seven foot high black stallions.

One of them was even watching as he could hear the whole thing...at the end of it he just shook his head in a sad way and then started waving to the kids.

Blaming poor people for being irresponsible with their money reminds me of blaming the victim in rape cases.

Charlie Don't Surf said:

Blaming poor people for being irresponsible with their money reminds me of blaming the victim in rape cases.

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Leave it to Charlie to bring the funneh!

I can't help but think there was a good point in there somewhere but you missed it...

You don't think the ultra-rich/corporations/politicians have a vested interest in using their power to keep the "dumb poor" as dumb and poor as possible?

You don't think it's highly offensive to assume all people with low incomes are "dumb"?

As someone who came from poor (as Ive said many times) I can't just blame "the man". There is a lot going on there. Many learned behaviors that are hard to overcome. Situations both made better and worse by government assistance. It is not an easy subject.

A few years ago a professor and I had a discussion, mostly concerning the reservation, about the problem of people not understanding what it is like to never have money. Not just being poor but never having cash money. You can't handle money if you don't have it. You can't understand the value of it not just in terms of the money itself but also in terms of the work time it takes to get it. There is a lot going on with money that people in general do not appreciate, they take it for granted. If you never have that money you never learn what money really means.

I can't blame the upper echelon spenders and money earners for everything that is plaguing the poor. We need a holistic way of dealing with the problem that doesn't involve assigning blame just to one group or another. We also need to encourage personal responsibility.

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You don't think it's highly offensive to assume all people with low incomes are "dumb"?

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I'm using Mathias' words. They are criminally uneducated, though. Look up our government spending on bombs vs. teachers

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You don't think it's highly offensive to assume all people with low incomes are "dumb"?

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Charlie is terrible at getting his point across. "Dumb" is obviously the wrong word choice. However, poorly informed/misinformed is a better description of the tactics used by people in power.

Oh man, that smilie on the end Charlie? Classic. Bitches love smilies.

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I'm using Mathias' words. They are criminally uneducated, though. Look up our government spending on bombs vs. teachers

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They use bombs on teachers?

The issues is far more complicated than a "bombs v teachers" straw man. I think Makere's post points out the complexity and importance of a nuanced ideology here.
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Krisken said:

They use bombs on teachers?

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Clearly.

And the truth remains:

Quotemander Prime said:

Charlie thinks he's

But he's really

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The US has probably spent more money killing teachers in the middle east that just might have taught a young person the evils of capitalism than they have paying teachers in our borders.

Shut up Charlie

Why bother Ada? It's what fuels his posts.

Still, it's cute how he tries.

Doesn't Charlie work for the government?

Charlie, I deem this your new avatar. Make it so.

Oh geeze, I always forget this is just a big joke to him.

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Doesn't Charlie work for the government?

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Hilarious.

Funnier : Charlie works for the IRS. He's the guy that fucks over poor people the worst in this world.
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Charlie Don't Surf said:

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Yes sir. It just makes me mad to see people fall for said tactics and then wonder why their credit cards are maxed out.

Charles your tone of voice in this thread is very disappointing. Should you not seek to remedy it, I shall not be inclined to invite you to cheese and crackers this Saturday.



Narf!

STFU Charlie.

DarkAudit said:

STFU Charlie.

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we covered that already.

makare said:

we covered that already.

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Reapply as needed.

Mathias said:

Funnier : Charlie works for the IRS. He's the guy that fucks over poor people the worst in this world.

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It has to be in the realm of possibility to be funny Mathias, and there's no way Charlie would have any kind of significant job.

mr_thehun said:

Seriously, nobody 'needs' to buy a TV, nobody 'needs' to buy a waffle iron, Black Friday is mostly about shiney things that would be neat to have.

http://www.cracked.com/article_19572_5-black-friday-myths-media-wants-you-to-believe.html

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Did you seriously just use a cracked article to back up your argument?

And this has been rehashed over and over, the complaint hasn't been that black friday isn't a major marketing bullcrap fest, it was the insistance that anyone who participated in it was some sort of idiotic destitute who can't manage their money.

That's the attitude that got everyone's hackles up.

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Did you seriously just use a cracked article to back up your argument?

And this has been rehashed over and over, the complaint hasn't been that black friday isn't a major marketing bullcrap fest, it was the insistance that anyone who participated in it was some sort of idiotic destitute who can't manage their money.

That's the attitude that got everyone's hackles up.

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I just have to laugh because when I saw the cracked link that was my first thought.

It is a funny read though.

No I wasn't upset about it. I think it is funny.

I used to work for the IRS, not anymore though.

Job was too taxing, huh?

Ha HA! Sounds like your prom night.

Also, puns.

For the record when it comes to Charlie and the IRS, I asked him a question about taxes in PM and his response was totally professional. It wasn't helpful as the answer was something along the lines of "I am not an expert in that specific field, plus I am unable to give advice outside of the office due to legal and ethical reasons." Then he apologized and we went our merry way.

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For the record when it comes to Charlie and the IRS, I asked him a question about taxes in PM and his response was totally professional. It wasn't helpful as the answer was something along the lines of "I am not an expert in that specific field, plus I am unable to give advice outside of the office due to legal and ethical reasons." Then he apologized and we went our merry way.

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Even as a former employee, I can get in HUGE criminal trouble if I say anything incorrect. ALSO, not that it matters, but my job was mostly processing stuff so refunds go out as fast as possible.

God, I love this forum. I read the first page of this thread, and then jump to the last, just to see where it would lead to. It is like reading a horrible game of telephone gone awry.