Fucker got a taste of his own medicine. I don't feel bad for him.Kind of hard to feel bad for the guy.
I mean, he was trying to stab the bull to death.
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At the same time, I don't have the same aversion to bullfighting that some people have.
My logic is: if you're going to be killed and eaten anyway, wouldn't you want a shot at the person who's going to kill you?
They saved the dude.I do feel kinda bad for the lost of human life
They saved the dude.I do feel kinda bad for the lost of human life
I never got the point of it unless the bull can actually kill you.... otherwise is just animal cruelty.
I never got the point of it unless the bull can actually kill you.... otherwise is just animal cruelty.
I never got the point of it unless the bull can actually kill you.... otherwise is just animal cruelty.
Yeah, in certain states it's Islamic culture to beat your wife for looking at you cross-eyed, or some African tribes to sew up a young woman's vagina to prevent premarital intercourse. Culture doesn't make it right.cockfighting has been around in Thailand for ages (so is dog) but those are frown upon. It is part of the culture (as far as I can remember it)
Yeah, in certain states it's Islamic culture to beat your wife for looking at you cross-eyed, or some African tribes to sew up a young woman's vagina to prevent premarital intercourse. Culture doesn't make it right.[/QUOTE]cockfighting has been around in Thailand for ages (so is dog) but those are frown upon. It is part of the culture (as far as I can remember it)
Yeah, in certain states it's Islamic culture to beat your wife for looking at you cross-eyed, or some African tribes to sew up a young woman's vagina to prevent premarital intercourse. Culture doesn't make it right.[/QUOTE]cockfighting has been around in Thailand for ages (so is dog) but those are frown upon. It is part of the culture (as far as I can remember it)
Yeah, in certain states it's Islamic culture to beat your wife for looking at you cross-eyed, or some African tribes to sew up a young woman's vagina to prevent premarital intercourse. Culture doesn't make it right.[/QUOTE]cockfighting has been around in Thailand for ages (so is dog) but those are frown upon. It is part of the culture (as far as I can remember it)
Yeah, in certain states it's Islamic culture to beat your wife for looking at you cross-eyed, or some African tribes to sew up a young woman's vagina to prevent premarital intercourse. Culture doesn't make it right.[/QUOTE]cockfighting has been around in Thailand for ages (so is dog) but those are frown upon. It is part of the culture (as far as I can remember it)
Yeah, in certain states it's Islamic culture to beat your wife for looking at you cross-eyed, or some African tribes to sew up a young woman's vagina to prevent premarital intercourse. Culture doesn't make it right.[/QUOTE]cockfighting has been around in Thailand for ages (so is dog) but those are frown upon. It is part of the culture (as far as I can remember it)
You have culture, since you are wearing pants.*Pulls up pants* So wait... I shouldn't be pooping on the lawn?
Ah, but does it?I have less of a problem with bull fighting than I have with the other blood sports. It is cattle's lot in life to die in service of the human population.
One way or another that bull is going to end up as carne asada. At least the bull gets the chance to fight on its way to death. Instead of walking down a narrow passage to run into a man holding a pneumatic hammer.
Ah, but does it?[/QUOTE]I have less of a problem with bull fighting than I have with the other blood sports. It is cattle's lot in life to die in service of the human population.
One way or another that bull is going to end up as carne asada. At least the bull gets the chance to fight on its way to death. Instead of walking down a narrow passage to run into a man holding a pneumatic hammer.
Yeah, in certain states it's Islamic culture to beat your wife for looking at you cross-eyed, or some African tribes to sew up a young woman's vagina to prevent premarital intercourse. Culture doesn't make it right.[/QUOTE]cockfighting has been around in Thailand for ages (so is dog) but those are frown upon. It is part of the culture (as far as I can remember it)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CockfightEver since the Goths and other wanderers settled your fine nation, there has been some form of cow related blood sport. It is difficult at best to say the things your forefathers loved were wrong and need to be stopped. Especially when these sports go back at least 1600 years in Spain. Dog Fighting is much younger, it came out of the bans on Bull, Bear, and Rat baiting.
Good point, but:Ever since the Goths and other wanderers settled your fine nation, there has been some form of cow related blood sport. It is difficult at best to say the things your forefathers loved were wrong and need to be stopped. Especially when these sports go back at least 1600 years in Spain. Dog Fighting is much younger, it came out of the bans on Bull, Bear, and Rat baiting.
Same article. The Bull was central to Gothic Pre-Christian culture and religion. But they did not measure their cocks against the cocks of other farmers...Spain
Cockfighting is banned in Spain except in Canary Islands. Organisations as WWF/Adena and some political parties are trying to ban there too.[14][15][16] Contrasting with the rest of the country, bullfighting is instead forbidden in the Canary Islands, since it is not considered traditional, unlike cockfighting.
It depends on what you are brought up by (culture) It is hard to think beyond it (few do it) but some examples.But I can tell you, most (or many, at the very least) people who publicly defend bullfighting also condemn cockfights as abhorrently cruel (At least those who have expressed their opinion for me to know). And it IS socially considered wrong, legality aside. For some reason cock fights are regarded as something cruel without any value beyond that, whereas bullfighting is considered somehow a beautiful and elevated art.
Besides this, if a majority of people consider it wrong, then it is wrong by cultural standards, and since those determine what's right or wrong... it's wrong. Right?
I think its more of what is done to make the bull so aggressive in the ring. Bull Fighting Facts, whether or not those are all accurate or maybe differ from place to place, I feel fairly comfortable that bulls are not completely naturally that aggressive, in every fight.I've never read a story that made cockfighting or dogfighting seem like art, the way "Death in the Afternoon" does for bullfighting. I guess the main differences are that fighting roosters and fighting dogs usually must be destroyed after their fighting is done, because they are only capable of killing, and that a human does not risk death in a cockfight or dogfight. "A bullfight is the only art in which the artist risks death with every performance" were Hemingway's words, I believe.
That being said, I do not think lethal bullfights are morally right, and the matador knew the risks. Did they put the bull down? That would be surprising - most victorious bulls are put to stud. The Miura ranch in particular produced Murcielago, Islero, and Reventon, all of whom gored matadors fatally / cripplingly and were prized studs because of it. Indeed, almost the entire Lamborghini line is based on fighting bulls.
Am I mistaken in thinking the Portugeuse method of bullfighting is essentially "counting coup" on a bull - running up to it and slapping it's flanks, before getting away? That seems a less cruel method of doing it, while still preserving the element of courage.
Bullfighting, in a lot of ways, is like many other extreme sports, except there is more art to it. There is always a risk of dead or bad injury. Indeed, a family friend lost her son recently in a climbing mishap at Yosemite. The risk is there.
What? Dude, bulls aren't eaten... Bulls that aren't raised for fighting usually are for mating. So, no, they're not getting to defend themselves when they were gonna be eaten anyway.. they were robbed from a life of fucking and eating all day.
At the same time, I don't have the same aversion to bullfighting that some people have.
My logic is: if you're going to be killed and eaten anyway, wouldn't you want a shot at the person who's going to kill you?
http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=64That's very surprising. A victorious bull is usually put out to stud. Also, that site is about as accurate as your average PETA/abstinence program pamphlet, it's not a good source.
http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=64That's very surprising. A victorious bull is usually put out to stud. Also, that site is about as accurate as your average PETA/abstinence program pamphlet, it's not a good source.
That kind of defeats the point, then.Dude... bulls that kill and/or maim bullfighters are ALWAYS destroyed these days. Because.. y'know.. they killed and/or maimed a human being. Even bullfighting has had PC-ness injected. Even if its contradictory.
I'm speaking by personal experience*... this is true of at least Mexico. I can't be as sure for Spain, but I'd bet it's the same.
*: A political branch of my family is an important supplier of big-ass bulls for Arena Mexico.
Agreed. I just mean if you're going to raise fighting bulls, and fight them, it shouldn't be a death sentence for them to occasionally win.Yeah. I'm not sure if the original point was a good one to begin with... but yeah, I see what you mean too.
What? They are eaten and their meat is expensive!Hey, I come from a country where both cock AND bull fighting are legal!!
Yayyy!!!
What? Dude, bulls aren't eaten... Bulls that aren't raised for fighting usually are for mating. So, no, they're not getting to defend themselves when they were gonna be eaten anyway.. they were robbed from a life of fucking and eating all day.
At the same time, I don't have the same aversion to bullfighting that some people have.
My logic is: if you're going to be killed and eaten anyway, wouldn't you want a shot at the person who's going to kill you?