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Nov 23, 2012#1

redthirtyone

I know we've had our fun taking jabs at Absath/Buckley over the years (QUIZNOS!), but from the looks of it, the run of Ctrl+Alt+Del might be coming to an end.

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/

This combined with his most recent posts on his FB fan page

http://www.facebook.com/CADComic

Seems to indicate the end. Unless this is all a big GOTCHA moment.

Nov 23, 2012#2

KCWM

its interesting if it he really does end it like this. There seems to be little resolution, from a reader's perspective, IMHO.

Nov 23, 2012#3

Zappit

You think Buckley wouldn't actually do a gotcha moment? This is literally all he has for a career. He'll keep going until he can't anymore.

Nov 23, 2012#4

ThatNickGuy

So to start off by answering the BIG question hanging in the air... yes, this is really the end.

Sort of.

To be a little more specific, this is the end of Ctrl+Alt+Del in its current incarnation. What's that mean? It means it's time for a good ol' fashioned "Hollywood reboot".
This is a decision I came to over two years ago, and have been working and planning towards since. As you might imagine, it is not a decision I made lightly, and in the following blogpost I'll try and walk you through the many different factors that contributed to it, as well as where I see things going from here, and why.

Whelp, so much for that. There's more on the main page of the site, but yeah, it's a reboot.

Nov 23, 2012#5

Charlie Don't Surf

it was almost a thanksgiving miracle

Nov 23, 2012#6

Gusto

A reboot into what? What could it possibly become.

Nov 23, 2012#7

Ravenpoe

Gusto said:
A reboot into what? What could it possibly become.

Maybe he could mix it up and try something good.

Nov 23, 2012#8

Gusto

Ravenpoe said:
Maybe he could mix it up and try something good.

That wouldn't really be CAD anymore at all.

Nov 23, 2012#9

Zappit

Gusto said:
A reboot into what? What could it possibly become.

We start...with two guys on a couch...

Nov 23, 2012#10

Gusto

Zappit said:
We start...with two guys on a couch...

A BOLD NEW VISION

Nov 23, 2012#11

Zappit

Gusto said:
A BOLD NEW VISION

Stay with me now...they like videogames...

Nov 23, 2012#12

strawman

Zappit said:
Stay with me now...they like videogames...

See, it's this kind of forward thinking, break-the-mold leadership we need in the webcomic industry.

Nov 23, 2012#13

Zappit

stienman said:
See, it's this kind of forward thinking, break-the-mold leadership we need in the webcomic industry.

Not done yet. One guy is wacky, and the other one is worn down by wacky guy's antics.

Nov 23, 2012#14

strawman

Zappit said:
Not done yet. One guy is wacky, and the other one is worn down by wacky guy's antics.

Wait, wait, wait - this could be a whole new style of comedy! This double act could consist of a, hmmm... let's call him a stooge, and he plays off of a normal everyman - let's refer to him as a straight man!

This is fantastic stuff! I can't see how it could possibly get better!

Nov 23, 2012#15

ThatNickGuy

Apparently the reboot will include more focus on video gaming culture and the Player characters (Player 1, 2, etc). The characters we know and "love" will be in there somewhere, too.

Nov 23, 2012#16

Gusto

ThatNickGuy said:
Apparently the reboot will include more focus on video gaming culture and the Player characters (Player 1, 2, etc). The characters we know and "love" will be in there somewhere, too.

Sounds like it'll be more one-off video game jokes, which is when CAD has always been it's best, but doesn't seem like enough of a change to call a reboot.

Nov 23, 2012#17

LordRendar

can someone give me a summary of what happened? to lazy to read through the archive.

Nov 23, 2012#18

Frank

His Mary Sue main character is both the savior and destroyer of all time.

Why anyone is shocked that Buckley would write himself as such is beyond me.

Nov 23, 2012#19

Gusto

Frank said:
His Mary Sue main character is both the savior and destroyer of all time.

Why anyone is shocked that Buckley would write himself as such is beyond me.

Mary Sue self-insertion character.

Nov 23, 2012#20

Frank

I always thought those were nearly the same things until I looked it up just now.[DOUBLEPOST=1353696654][/DOUBLEPOST]Best comic ever produced that has anything to do with CAD.

Nov 23, 2012#21

Yoshimickster

...URRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH! COME ON! WHAT PROMPTED THIS REBOOT?! NOTHING! NOTHING AT ALL! Fuckin' ridiculous.

Nov 23, 2012#22

WasabiPoptart

Frank said:

OMG I nearly wet my pants! That face in the last panel...I can't stop laughing.

Nov 23, 2012#23

David

It is nice to read Tim sort-of, kind-of admit to not having any clue what he was doing with his writing. I haven't bothered keeping up with his antics in the last couple years so for all I know he's starting to actually mature. I'm willing to give the new incarnation a chance before writing it off as "lol BUckley."

Edit: Okay, just got up to the part of the blog about the Players becoming the new main characters. Never mind.

Nov 23, 2012#24

CynicismKills

Frank said:
I always thought those were nearly the same things until I looked it up just now.[DOUBLEPOST=1353696654][/DOUBLEPOST]Best comic ever produced that has anything to do with CAD.

RIP AND TEAR YOUR GUTS

RIP AND TEAR

Nov 23, 2012#25

LittleSin

Kurtz is having an orgasm over this.

Nov 23, 2012#26

Gusto

LittleSin said:
Kurtz is having an orgasm over this.

Is he?

Nov 23, 2012#27

LittleSin

Gusto said:
Is he?

Check twitter. It is great...and petty.

Nov 23, 2012#28

David

Jesus, Scott.

Nov 23, 2012#29

Yoshimickster

Of course Kurtz is jumping on this, anything to make himself look like the better web-cartoonist( no contempt for his characters my ass). For fucks sake, its not even that he's stopping CAD but he's stopping it in a way-WHERE THE MAIN CHARACTER SACRIFICES HIMSELF! Couldn't it have a damn happy ending? Sweet strawberry Jesus this is depressing! This is like in Dragonball Z where it was supposed to end after the Cell saga when Goku died, or how Sherlocke Holmes was supposed to end when he fell into the water fall! Its just a bad ending, and it just pisses off the fan base.

Nov 23, 2012#30

Azurephoenix

Holy shit it's like the Mass Effect 3 ending! (if I actually cared about Ctrl-alt-del that is).

Nov 23, 2012#31

North_Ranger

LittleSin said:
Check twitter. It is great...and petty.

Can you paraphrase it for those of us who don't use Twitter?

Nov 23, 2012#32

LittleSin

Nov 23, 2012#33

North_Ranger

Man, the guy's a class act...

Nov 23, 2012#34

LittleSin

Yup.

Nov 23, 2012#35

CynicismKills

North_Ranger said:
Can you paraphrase it for those of us who don't use Twitter?

You can still read someone's twitter without signing up for the site. I don't use the site either but I do like to check Weird Al and a couple others here and there.

Nov 23, 2012#36

DarkAudit

Weren't the Ding! characters Scott's creations too? Based off real players, but still.

No, he didn't kill them or time erase them. He flat-out abandoned them.

Nov 23, 2012#37

Zappit

It's gettin' weida!

Nov 23, 2012#38

@Li3n

So we're all in agreement, the mayans where right about 2012 being the end of an era...

Nov 23, 2012#39

ScytheRexx

I can understand wanting to move on with the comic, but yes, the whole "time erase" thing is just stupid. He basically took ten years of what people were following and flushed it down the toilet so he could start over and get back to more gaming jokes.

There were hundreds of ways he could have ended it with some closure, instead he decided not to have any, making the whole thing one giant depressing dump.

Nov 23, 2012#40

Yoshimickster

ScytheRexx said:
I can understand wanting to move on with the comic, but yes, the whole "time erase" thing is just stupid. He basically took ten years of what people were following and flushed it down the toilet so he could start over and get back to more gaming jokes.

There were hundreds of ways he could have ended it with some closure, instead he decided not to have any, making the whole thing one giant depressing dump.

Agreed. Like, maybe Ethan would've averted the horrible future than finish the video game and then happily ever after. THAT would be a better ending. He had to know this was going to piss people off, how stupid can he be?

I severely hope this is a trolling , I mean god damn.

Nov 23, 2012#41

Gusto

ScytheRexx said:
I can understand wanting to move on with the comic, but yes, the whole "time erase" thing is just stupid. He basically took ten years of what people were following and flushed it down the toilet so he could start over and get back to more gaming jokes.

There were hundreds of ways he could have ended it with some closure, instead he decided not to have any, making the whole thing one giant depressing dump.

I followed CAD for the occasional pretty good video game joke. Almost any attempt at "character development" was ridiculous and shallow. I don't know about the majority of his audience, but I can't see anyone really caring about those characters.

Nov 23, 2012#42

Hailey Knight

Gusto said:
I followed CAD for the occasional pretty good video game joke. Almost any attempt at "character development" was ridiculous and shallow. I don't know about the majority of his audience, but I can't see anyone really caring about those characters.

Agreed, but on principle...

Nov 23, 2012#43

Silent Bob

LittleSin said:
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Holy crap?!? What's the deal with this dude?

Nov 23, 2012#44

Zappit

And how many of these pissed off people are going to read it anyway?

Nov 23, 2012#45

ScytheRexx

Gusto said:
I followed CAD for the occasional pretty good video game joke. Almost any attempt at "character development" was ridiculous and shallow. I don't know about the majority of his audience, but I can't see anyone really caring about those characters.

The guy has lived off his comic for almost ten years, obviously it had enough people invested in it to keep him going as long as he has, and thus they liked his characters. Penny-Arcade may not be very story driven, but I sure would get downright livid if Mike and Jerry one day decided to basically "un-write" Gabe and Tycho so they could focus more on Fruit Fucker.

Nov 23, 2012#46

Zappit

Scott is not letting up on this!

Nov 23, 2012#47

Adam

ScytheRexx said:
The guy has lived off his comic for almost ten years, obviously it had enough people invested in it to keep him going as long as he has, and thus they liked his characters. Penny-Arcade may not be very story driven, but I sure would get downright livid if Mike and Jerry one day decided to basically "un-write" Gabe and Tycho so they could focus more on Fruit Fucker.

I don't think the rest of their audience would particularly care, much the same way I think the CAD audience isn't looking for Hemingway style prose.

As for Kuntz commentary, he has as much right to talk about 'brand building' as North Korea does.

Oh SHIIIIIT, Buckley pulls down double the traffic Kuntz does. OH SNAP.[DOUBLEPOST=1353731656][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh and Buckley can see his toes.[DOUBLEPOST=1353731731][/DOUBLEPOST]Also I'm pissed I have to defend Buckley around anything.

Nov 23, 2012#48

Ravenpoe

Wow, a twitter fight in which Buckley is the lesser asshole? Scott really could have done himself a huge favor by just shutting the hell up. Now he just seems petty.

Nov 23, 2012#49

ScytheRexx

Adam said:
I don't think the rest of their audience would particularly care, much the same way I think the CAD audience isn't looking for Hemingway style prose.

One does not need Hemingway style prose to have characters an audience can enjoy.

Nov 23, 2012#50

Adam

ScytheRexx said:
One does not need Hemingway style prose to have characters an audience can enjoy.

No, but no one reads Penny Arcade because Gabe and Tycho are deep, well written characters. It's thesaurical dick and fart jokes.

Nov 23, 2012#51

Gusto

Jesus fuck, Kurtz, can you shut up for like 8 seconds.

Nov 23, 2012#52

Yoshimickster

Zappit said:
Scott is not letting up on this!

Oh so NOW he makes fun of Halforums! I guess he really IS reading this forum.

And since he is reading this- SHUT UP! While the ending to CAD was depressing as hell, at least Buckley ended it rather than forcing a shitty story line along.

I also didn't think I'd be defending Buckley Adam but he has forced my hand.

Nov 23, 2012#53

Zappit

Probably best not to take sides. It's a real Turd Sandwich v. Giant Douche thing.

Er...[user]Yoshimickster[/user], those Twitter bits I posted - I made those, bud. As fun as it would be to cause an Internet shitstorm with some PS'ed images, I'd really rather not. I will not be the one to spark a Kurtzallnacht.

Nov 23, 2012#54

David

Yoshimickster said:
Oh so NOW he makes fun of Halforums! I guess he really IS reading this forum.

And since he is reading this- SHUT UP! While the ending to CAD was depressing as hell, at least Buckley ended it rather than forcing a shitty story line along.

I also didn't think I'd be defending Buckley Adam but he has forced my hand.

I don't think it was an allusion to Halforums. Halfpixel was the original home for webcomics weekly, which Brad has largely taken over after it became webcomics.com

Zappit said:
Er...[user]Yoshimickster[/user], those Twitter bits I posted - I made those, bud. As fun as it would be to cause an Internet shitstorm with some PS'ed images, I'd really rather not. I will not be the one to spark a Kurtzallnacht.

Ah, my bad, nevermind then. Didn't bother to check the real twitter feed.

Does it say anything in particular that I didn't even question that as something Scott would really tweet?

Nov 23, 2012#55

Zappit

Really, though, just to be clear. I made those Twitter images. Kurtz still posted like a braying jackass, but those last few were mine.

Nov 23, 2012#56

Bowielee

Yeah, thanks for the kick in the nads to those who aren't even involved Kurtz

What'd we ever do to him? Besides all the stuff we did to him, that is... :troll:

Nov 23, 2012#57

Zappit

Yoshi made his post about ten minutes ago. By now, Kurtz probably has at least 47 angry Twitter messages in his feed.

Nov 23, 2012#58

figmentPez

Hasn't another webcomic done a reboot? I'm almost positive I remember hearing about a strip that rebooted it's universe a while back, but it wasn't something I read. Was it Evil Inc or Starslip?

Nov 23, 2012#59

Zappit

Bad Machinery is a reboot, right?

Nov 23, 2012#60

David

figmentPez said:
Hasn't another webcomic done a reboot? I'm almost positive I remember hearing about a strip that rebooted it's universe a while back, but it wasn't something I read. Was it Evil Inc or Starslip?

It was Starslip, when the crew slipped to an not-fully-calculated path to escape the war against the future. But in it's defense, I think Kris pulled it off far better than Tim did.

Probably primarily due to the fact that I actually cared about Vanderbeam and the rest of the crew.

Nov 23, 2012#61

Adam

CRFH just rebooted. Sluggy needs to be rebooted. Shortpacked has basically done what CAD is doing three times.

Nov 23, 2012#62

Yoshimickster

Zappit said:
Probably best not to take sides. It's a real Turd Sandwich v. Giant Douche thing.

Er...[user]Yoshimickster[/user], those Twitter bits I posted - I made those, bud. As fun as it would be to cause an Internet shitstorm with some PS'ed images, I'd really rather not. I will not be the one to spark a Kurtzallnacht.

Really? It looked like something he'd type. Thats good.

Nov 23, 2012#63

figmentPez

Reading some tweets that fans have directed at Kurtz, he kind of lives in his own little fantasy world where no-one ever reboots their universe. First off, I'm pretty sure Starslip did do some sort of reboot. (Confirmed by others while I was typing this post) More than that Melonpool did a reboot as well.[DOUBLEPOST=1353734821][/DOUBLEPOST]

Zappit said:
Bad Machinery is a reboot, right?

I'd call it a spin-off. As far as I know nothing from Scary-Go-Round was written out, they just started following other characters in the universe.[DOUBLEPOST=1353735101][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh, and Elf Only Inn did a reboot, of sorts, didn't it?

Nov 23, 2012#64

Gusto

Bad Machinery is a spin-off of Scary Go Round, yes, and Three Panel Soul is a spiritual successor to Mac Hall.

Nov 23, 2012#65

Yoshimickster

Gusto said:
Bad Machinery is a spin-off of Scary Go Round, yes, and Three Panel Soul is a spiritual successor to Mac Hall.

A pretty good spin-off too! They established the new leads before the new series, and they are strong enough to keep the audience's attention. And then there are spin-offs like Shortpacked that give us a male lead who is boring as hell. I like Shortpacked, but not for Ethan. Being gay does not make up for lack of presence.

Also, apparently Joyce and Walky got married and had a son....does ANYONE have a link to that story because I can not find it any where?

Edit: Not saying there is anything wrong with a gay main character, it just feels like Willis threw that in to give him some depth. It did not in my earnest opinion.

Nov 23, 2012#66

DarkAudit

Not a single word of those fake Kurtz posts would have surprised me one bit if he'd really said them.

Nov 24, 2012#67

North_Ranger

Zappit ... I hate to say this, but... The whole Photoshopped Kurtz tweet thing? Bad form, sir. Bad form.

You know how easy it is to rile up this bunch with Kurtz mouthing off or doing stupid or hypocritical shit. This could've gone from zero to shitstorm in two seconds flat.

Now, let me know when he really says something stupid or hypocritical.

Nov 24, 2012#68

@Li3n

figmentPez said:
I'd call it a spin-off. As far as I know nothing from Scary-Go-Round was written out, they just started following other characters in the universe.

Also, it wasn't the first time the main characters changed (and went back and forth a few times).

Nov 24, 2012#69

Silent Bob

Uh, wow, I never knew people took webcomics so seriously.

Nov 24, 2012#70

Bowielee

Silent Bob said:
Uh, wow, I never knew people took webcomics so seriously.

You're newer, so I don't know if you know where this forum came from. We were basically refugees from when Scott Kurtz decided to blow up his own forums.

Nov 24, 2012#71

Zappit

North_Ranger said:
Zappit ... I hate to say this, but... The whole Photoshopped Kurtz tweet thing? Bad form, sir. Bad form.

You know how easy it is to rile up this bunch with Kurtz mouthing off or doing stupid or hypocritical shit. This could've gone from zero to shitstorm in two seconds flat.

Now, let me know when he really says something stupid or hypocritical.

Sorry, man. I thought it would be obvious they were fake.

Nov 24, 2012#72

Ravenpoe

Zappit said:
Sorry, man. I thought it would be obvious they were fake.

When it comes to Kurtz mouthing off, assume nothing.

Nov 24, 2012#73

Zappit

Ravenpoe said:
When it comes to Kurtz mouthing off, assume nothing.

That's just...really sad. There's virtually no difference between a Kurtz meltdown and a satirical take on it.

Nov 24, 2012#74

Ravenpoe

Zappit said:
That's just...really sad. There's virtually no difference between a Kurtz meltdown and a satirical take on it.

I actually thought he was satirizing himself, some of those were pretty funny.

Nov 24, 2012#75

DarkAudit

Bowielee said:
You're newer, so I don't know if you know where this forum came from. We were basically refugees from when Scott Kurtz decided to blow up his own forums.

And there's a lot of bad blood between Buckley and Kurtz, especially when Buckley blew up the Rapscallions guild on Dark Iron.

Nov 24, 2012#76

strawman

North_Ranger said:
The whole Photoshopped Kurtz tweet thing? Bad form, sir. Bad form.

If you can't make fun of the person that brought us all together and then kicked us to the curb in the worst way possible, who can you make fun of?

Nov 24, 2012#77

Zappit

stienman said:
If you can't make fun of the person that brought us all together and then kicked us to the curb in the worst way possible, who can you make fun of?

Kicked us to the curb TWICE. He also blew up on a couple of my old Bomb Shelter brothers with no provocation some years back, so he's spread that bad blood around pretty liberally.

Nov 24, 2012#78

North_Ranger

stienman said:
If you can't make fun of the person that brought us all together and then kicked us to the curb in the worst way possible, who can you make fun of?

I'm not saying he shouldn't be made fun of. My problem was that one couldn't easily tell if this was fake or not. Like Zapp himself said, it's difficult to parody a Tastemaker meltdown when the man's known for sticking feet in his mouth.

Heck, speaking of that, can anyone find doomdragon6 's comics that tell the tale of Halfpixel Bombing and the Rise of Halforums?

Nov 24, 2012#79

North_Ranger

Never mind, I found them... although the first three are rather tiny for some reason.

A brief history on the origins of Halforums:

Nov 24, 2012#80

Silent Bob

I am so confused. But I from what was explained, there's bad blood between one webcomic creator and another, and they constantly one up each other like grade school children playing kickball at recess? Is that about right?

Nov 24, 2012#81

Yoshimickster

Silent Bob said:
I am so confused. But I from what was explained, there's bad blood between one webcomic creator and another, and they constantly one up each other like grade school children playing kickball at recess? Is that about right?

Pretty much. Not all web-comic artists gain the mentality of elementary school children, but enough of them are.

Nov 24, 2012#82

Zappit

Silent Bob said:
I am so confused. But I from what was explained, there's bad blood between one webcomic creator and another, and they constantly one up each other like grade school children playing kickball at recess? Is that about right?

Not about right. Exactly right.

Nov 24, 2012#83

drifter

It's my understanding that Buckley has actually matured, and hasn't engaged with Kurtz's feces-flinging for quite some time. Can anyone who follows CAD confirm/deny?

Nov 24, 2012#84

Espy

Oh man. PVP. I remember PVP. I used to have a bookmark that went there. CAD too.

Nov 24, 2012#85

Frank

drifter said:
It's my understanding that Buckley has actually matured, and hasn't engaged with Kurtz's feces-flinging for quite some time. Can anyone who follows CAD confirm/deny?

After he took that CAD charity money and bought himself a tablet, showed his dick to people underage, sent cease and desist orders to people for doing fanart (while simultaneously ripping off professional artists) and has continually shown himself to be ignorant and racist?

It doesn't matter, as little of a fan of Kurtz I am, Buckley deserves every bit of shitting he gets.

Nov 24, 2012#86

Zappit

Shitting such as this - I did this some years back, could only find two pages of it, but it's Tim as a police sketch artist with his former forum mod ( a notorious hardass who banned people for even slightly criticizing Tim) as his sidekick.

Nov 24, 2012#87

Bowielee

The handlebar helmet... so... awesome...

Nov 24, 2012#88

drifter

Whoa, a lot of that is news to me. I guess Buckley was a bigger dirtbag than I realized.

Nov 24, 2012#89

Zappit

Yep. For a few years, he had a me too attitude. Penny Arcade starts a charity? He does too, and keeps money. Kurtz gets a server on WoW? Buckley does, too, then kills it and keeps the money his fans paid into it, all the while banning them from his forums if they brought it up. Kurtz gets a cartoon series for the web? Look who else did, and it's much worse. Penny Arcade starts its own gaming con? Bucko tried and failed to copy it.

Nov 24, 2012#90

Frank

Except I think he did the shitty cartoon with Blind Ferret before Kurtz did (and PvP cartoon, being an entirely different debacle, was actually a HELL of a lot better than the CAD abortion...or is it miscarriage?).

Nov 24, 2012#91

Bowielee

drifter said:
Whoa, a lot of that is news to me. I guess Buckley was a bigger dirtbag than I realized.

That's not even getting into the time he had nude pics running around the net.

Nov 24, 2012#92

bhamv3

Ravenpoe said:
I actually thought he was satirizing himself, some of those were pretty funny.

I thought they were real too, and that Steve Kuntz was trying to satirize himself.

Nov 25, 2012#93

GasBandit

And this month in the webcomics world, Tim Buckley decides his gravy train doesn't need an engine.

Nov 25, 2012#94

twitchmoss

Thats because you don't need an engine for this gravy train. all you need to do is stick wheels on it and drive it into the sea.

Nov 25, 2012#95

Yoshimickster

So who wants to bet which web celebrity pisses off their fan base next? I'm guessiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin the Power House guys. Maybe they pull some Cerebus into their toons.

Nov 26, 2012#96

Null

Okay, so now he's referring to it as "the end of Ctrl-Alt-Del v1.0" which just tells me that he's the sort of dickbag that, to paraphrase an apt description of Rob Liefeld, "Even when he turns his backwards baseball cap around, it's still on backwards."

Nov 26, 2012#97

GasBandit

I think the big deal is, it's not that he ended his main comic's story, it's that he ended it so badly. I mean, despite what he says, it really feels like 2 strips ago he decided "you know what I don't wanna draw this any more, how can I end this as quickly as possible?" and did that. It would have been better to finish out his time travel arc, and end with a corny ensemble-on-couch shot or something, the end. This "AND THEN HE DIED THE END" is just lazy writing.

Nov 26, 2012#98

ScytheRexx

GasBandit said:
This "AND THEN HE DIED THE END" is just lazy writing.

Actually what I was trying to say earlier.

Nov 26, 2012#99

Azurephoenix

GasBandit said:
This "AND THEN HE DIED THE END" is just lazy writing.

Agreed... it's a crappy copout. The guy had been drawing this for what... ten years? He could have toughed out a few more weeks and given some proper closure.

Nov 26, 2012#100

R

Raemon777

I honestly do not think it would have been any better if it had been extended. I'd rather CAD go out (or "transition") with a weird, abrupt ending than an attempt by Buckley to write something clever and classy that "did justice to the characters." There was no justice that could have been done here.

Nov 26, 2012#101

GasBandit

Raemon777 said:
I honestly do not think it would have been any better if it had been extended. I'd rather CAD go out (or "transition") with a weird, abrupt ending than an attempt by Buckley to write something clever and classy that "did justice to the characters." There was no justice that could have been done here.

Actually, until this ill-conceived time travel arc, CAD was actually getting a lot better than it had been previously. Then this happened.

Nov 26, 2012#102

Bowielee

You're saying tha Buckley doesn't know how to wrap up a storyline?

INCONCIEVABLE!

Nov 26, 2012#103

twitchmoss

Nov 26, 2012#104

David

That made me laugh far more than it should have.

Nov 26, 2012#105

Far

So apparently this was added.

Nov 26, 2012#106

LittleSin

A bit better, honestly.

Nov 26, 2012#107

ScytheRexx

At least it was better then the last "The End".

Nov 26, 2012#108

Ravenpoe

CAD v2.0 will continue on as normal, it's just each new strip will have "The End" at the end.

Nov 26, 2012#109

Hailey Knight

Far said:
So apparently this was added.

Extended Cut will be free until 2014.

Nov 26, 2012#110

figmentPez

And Kurtz is bitching about it on Twitter.

Nov 26, 2012#111

Zappit

figmentPez said:
And Kurtz is bitching about it on Twitter.

Zero surprise. This is a guy who'll go through three Louisville Sluggers on an equine corpse before he realizes it's dead. He'll be harping on it throughout the next dozen or so "The End" strips.

I'd post more satirical Twitter feeds, but apparently I make them too authentic.

Though, I do have to point out there might be some real self-loathing on Tim's part. Ethan is based on Tim, and Tim basically wrote that Ethan is a terrible person and deserves a rotten ending.

Then he made Ethan a Christ figure and focus of a church. Oh, well. There goes that theory. Derp.

Nov 27, 2012#112

figmentPez

At least we got a new Webcomics Weekly out of this.

Nov 27, 2012#113

Frank

OH GOD.

That's maybe the worst thing ever.

Seriously. How fucking up your own ass is that?

Church of fucking gaming.

Nov 27, 2012#114

CynicismKills

I thought the everyone moving on was alright, but the church of gaming shit was ridiculous. Personally I think ending it on the white-out frame would have been better.

Nov 27, 2012#115

Bubble181

This one might've worked as an ending, had it not been added so slap-dash after the "The End" one.
Also, no reason why they're so sad and whatnot - he's been gone with weird science stuff happening in the basement before.
Third, the Church thing...Myeah.

Nov 27, 2012#116

Gusto

Plus the idea that ALL other characters would go on to dedicate their lives to his memory. Because he was such ~~an annoying prick who was good at video games~~ a genuinely good person .

Nov 27, 2012#117

figmentPez

Wait... I thought all of their lives fell apart without having to look after Ethan. When he got smart all the extra time they had not looking after him led them to video game addictions and reckless thrill-seeking.

Nov 27, 2012#118

Gusto

figmentPez said:
Wait... I thought all of their lives fell apart without having to look after Ethan. When he got smart all the extra time they had not looking after him led them to video game addictions and reckless thrill-seeking.

Yup. In the story RIGHT BEFORE THIS ONE.

Nov 27, 2012#119

strawman

This thread is making me glad I dropped CAD many moons ago...

Nov 27, 2012#120

GasBandit

At least it was an attempt at closure. Pity it had to be badgered out of him. Oh, and don't get so worked up about the church of gaming bit, it's not like anybody attended it's dedication other than Lilah, judging by the panel.

Nov 27, 2012#121

strawman

GasBandit said:
At least it was an attempt at closure. Pity it had to be badgered out of him. Oh, and don't get so worked up about the church of gaming bit, it's not like anybody attended it's dedication other than Lilah, judging by the panel.

The church of gaming was a one off joke that, like the lolbat, was overused and used poorly. But when I was reading it years ago ethan was trying to establish a gaming religion, primarily spurred on by the idea of replacing religious holidays with gaming holidays. So it's not unexpected to me, but perhaps it hasn't been brought up nearly every holiday like it had last decade.

Nov 27, 2012#122

Gusto

Also the church of gaming was a one-shot PVP storyline long before Tim did anything with it.

Nov 27, 2012#123

Gusto

figmentPez said:
At least we got a new Webcomics Weekly out of this.

Ooooo, we did! Awesome! Last time Scott went on a tear bitching about Buckley on WW, Kellett and Guigar kind of told him he was being ridiculous.

And the fun thing is that they've titled it "Webcomics Weekly #1: Reboots".

Nov 27, 2012#124

Ravenpoe

Gusto said:
Also the church of gaming was a one-shot PVP storyline long before Tim did anything with it.

"Dude, I'm noobish" is still one of my favorite punchlines.

Nov 27, 2012#125

Gusto

It was actually a pretty good podcast. I'm excited for a possible return of WW.

Nov 27, 2012#126

Frank

Kurtz's been pretty gleefully shitty about the whole thing, but this tweet of his made me chuckle:

I guess in Tim's strip, a woman can carry a baby to term if the baby's purpose is a tribute to the main character.

Nov 27, 2012#127

Zappit

Gusto said:
It was actually a pretty good podcast. I'm excited for a possible return of WW.

Scott. Kurtz. He's already moved on to the next thing he'll hype to no end and ditch almost immediately.

Nov 28, 2012#128

North_Ranger

What the heck is WW?

Nov 28, 2012#129

figmentPez

North_Ranger said:
What the heck is WW?

Webcomics Weekly, the podcast with Kurtz, Straub, Guigar and Kellet (I think I got the cast list right.)

Nov 28, 2012#130

CynicismKills

Gusto said:
It was actually a pretty good podcast. I'm excited for a possible return of WW.

He said something about "one last cast" in his newspost about it, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.

Nov 28, 2012#131

Silent Bob

I read through a good portion of CAD over the past few days. It's a pretty bad comic.

Nov 28, 2012#132

Gusto

Yup.

Nov 29, 2012#133

ThatNickGuy

Nov 30, 2012#134

Frank

ha ha ha ha HA HA HAAA!

Nov 30, 2012#135

ThatNickGuy

I don't get it? It's the same comic three times with different colouring?

Nov 30, 2012#136

bhamv3

ThatNickGuy said:
I don't get it? It's the same comic three times with different colouring?

That's because the comic doesn't show what happens after he presses the button. In one, the machine blows up. In the second, he gains complete control over the machine. In the third, he merges with the machine and becomes some sort of cyborg.

Oh, and in all three versions, his car gets blown up for no discernible reason.

Nov 30, 2012#137

ThatNickGuy

I don't know if that explanation is supposed to be serious or not because I don't see that at all in what was posted.

Nov 30, 2012#138

tegid

I believe it's a reference to the ending of Mass Effect 3.

Nov 30, 2012#139

Frank

It's making fun of CAD for having a terrible ending. Not too dissimilar from the awful Mass Effect 3 Ending.

Nov 30, 2012#140

Gusto

Scott actually made a great point on WW: if Ethan had to do something using some computer that would basically reset the universe, and is shown as pushing a button rather than, oh, say, hitting Ctrl Alt Del, what a waste that is.

Nov 30, 2012#141

Ravenpoe

Gusto said:
Scott actually made a great point on WW: if Ethan had to do something using some computer that would basically reset the universe, and is shown as pushing a button rather than, oh, say, hitting Ctrl Alt Del, what a waste that is.

That whole podcast was amazing. I hope they start doing it again.

Nov 30, 2012#142

Gusto

Ravenpoe said:
That whole podcast was amazing. I hope they start doing it again.

I almost lost my shit during their discussion of the Skyfall opening credits.

Nov 30, 2012#143

ThatNickGuy

tegid said:
I believe it's a reference to the ending of Mass Effect 3.

Ohhhhh. Yeah, I didn't play the game, so the reference was lost on me.

Nov 30, 2012#144

GasBandit

ThatNickGuy said:
Ohhhhh. Yeah, I didn't play the game, so the reference was lost on me.

There was quite a bit of loudness all across the internet about it. I never played ME3 either, but I know about red, green, and blue endings, about "His Name Was Marauder Shields," etc.

Nov 30, 2012#145

ScytheRexx

GasBandit said:
"His Name Was Marauder Shields,"

Nov 30, 2012#146

GasBandit

ScytheRexx said:

Nov 30, 2012#147

figmentPez

I listened to the podcast, and while I agree with a lot of what was said, I can't agree with some of it. As bad as it was to fridge Lilah, I don't feel like it was really a betrayal of the characters to do that. Zeke is more than a little psychotic, and it's been set up for a while that he's not entirely trustworthy. Also, sometimes media doesn't have happy endings. We are not owed a happy ending for characters, and it's not a "screw you" to the audience to end in a tragedy. Moreover, I don't feel like the ending was a downer. Ethan went out a hero, even without the Mary Sue ending tacked on afterwards. It didn't wipe out years of comics any more than the The Amazing Spider-Man wiped out the previous three films. Those comics still exist.

Disagreement on the ending aside, there was another point: Buckley actually has written a female character who didn't exist to be a romantic interest for one of the male characters. Abby the game store customer was a rival for Ethan. Sure, she was a copy of someone else's design, but she was a named character who wasn't simply a romantic conquest.

Dec 14, 2012#148

David

The new CAD comics are in my opinion... just not funny. It seems like he's gone back to setting up the joke with too many panels and not giving enough payoff. All that dramatic "CAD is changing forever" for this... color me underwhelmed.

Dec 15, 2012#149

ThatNickGuy

I have to agree. Though admittedly, I think the idea of four generic gaming characters living together. I especially like the idea that there's a regeneration...thing...right in their house.

Of course, all the great ideas in the world can't save them from horrible execution.

Dec 19, 2012#150

KCWM

ThatNickGuy said:
I have to agree. Though admittedly, I think the idea of four generic gaming characters living together. I especially like the idea that there's a regeneration...thing...right in their house.

Of course, all the great ideas in the world can't save them from horrible execution.

I'm guessing that you didn't finish your thought and you were going to say that the idea of four generic gaming characters living together is <insert something positive>.

I'll admit to being entertained by CAD before the ending. I didn't laugh out loud like I do with PVP from time to time (both suffered from something similar over the last couple of years), but I still found reason to read. The only reason I check CAD after these few post-ending comics is out of habit. I also think the idea of four gaming characters living together is interesting and has potential, along with the in-house regen pod, but it's just stumbled out of the gate. If it were a new webcomic, I'd give it the benefit of the doubt but he's been doing these characters for a long time and the previous comics involving them worked a lot better. Perhaps they aren't strong enough to sustain a comic.

Dec 19, 2012#151

Adam

KCWM said:
I'm guessing that you didn't finish your thought and you were going to say that the idea of four generic gaming characters living together is <insert something positive>.

No, Something Positive is a different comic altogether.

Dec 19, 2012#152

Necronic

Kind of funny watching Kurtz bash CAD at this point when his comic has become so completely laughably bad and Buckley has at least tried to do something (even if it wasn't great).

Jan 7, 2013#153

figmentPez

Oh crap, I just laughed at the latest CAD... does this mean something is seriously wrong with me?

Jan 7, 2013#154

Ravenpoe

figmentPez said:
Oh crap, I just laughed at the latest CAD... does this mean something is seriously wrong with me?

Ehh... didn't get any chuckle out of me.

Jan 7, 2013#155

Calleja

Zappit said:
Scott is not letting up on this!

I'm reading this thread from the very start, and people may mention something more about this later but I'm still on page two and there's no RAAAAGE icon thingie, so.. AGH THIS MOTHERFUCKER, HE WAS MAKING FUN OF HALFPIXEL, DID YOU FUCKING SEE THAT!? THE NERVE!! GAAHHH

sorry. continuing with the reading of the past.[DOUBLEPOST=1357544915][/DOUBLEPOST]

Zappit said:
Really, though, just to be clear. I made those Twitter images. Kurtz still posted like a braying jackass, but those last few were mine.

Oh you fucker. You got me like 2 months later. Bravo.

Jan 7, 2013#156

Calleja

Wow, this thread was a trip down memory lane something fierce.

I was part of the Rapscallions, the WoW guild Buckley killed. Did I ever tell you guys that? I used to be a CAD fan in like.. 2005? Damn.

Also, whatever happened to Starslip? I followed it pretty closely and then I remember a reboot and then.. nothing. I guess I stopped reading it without even noticing.

Jan 7, 2013#157

DarkAudit

Do you still play on Dark Iron? I've been a member of Panda Attack the last 5 years or so. Some of the old timers that were around during the Rapscallions incident still hold a grudge against Buckley.

Jan 7, 2013#158

Calleja

Nah, I left WoW like, well, 5 years ago, heh. I was one of the refugees from the Rapscallions that Panda Attack "took in". That's actually the reason, I think, I'm here with you guys now, that's when I joined the PvP forums. I remember an AWESOME fight of like 25 vs 25 against the Penny Arcade guild. Awesome times.

Jan 7, 2013#159

David

Calleja said:
Also, whatever happened to Starslip? I followed it pretty closely and then I remember a reboot and then.. nothing. I guess I stopped reading it without even noticing.

Somehow it totally missed my mind until I went to check, but he's had a new comic apparently running. http://broodhollow.chainsawsuit.com/2012/10/08/broodhollow/
If I have one criticism of Straub, it's that he ends projects before I'd like him to. I was loving F-chords before he cut it. But at least he doesn't say he'll do it then just let it fade away into the night.

Jan 7, 2013#160

Adam

David said:
Somehow it totally missed my mind until I went to check, but he's had a new comic apparently running. http://broodhollow.chainsawsuit.com/2012/10/08/broodhollow/
If I have one criticism of Straub, it's that he ends projects before I'd like him to. I was loving F-chords before he cut it. But at least he doesn't say he'll do it then just let it fade away into the night.

My life for the swarm. (Wrong game)

Jan 7, 2013#161

SpecialKO

figmentPez said:
Oh crap, I just laughed at the latest CAD... does this mean something is seriously wrong with me?

I smiled, but he's still doing that thing where 2/3 of the comic is explaining the joke with words. He should have used those panels to show Jedi actually using the straps, and being amazed at how awesome they are.

Jan 7, 2013#162

Calleja

David said:
Somehow it totally missed my mind until I went to check, but he's had a new comic apparently running. http://broodhollow.chainsawsuit.com/2012/10/08/broodhollow/
If I have one criticism of Straub, it's that he ends projects before I'd like him to. I was loving F-chords before he cut it. But at least he doesn't say he'll do it then just let it fade away into the night.

Huh. So we never got to know what happened to Vanderbeam and Co? That's really sad. I liked Starslip. I miss being a webcomic junkie, sometimes.

Jan 7, 2013#163

MindDetective

Calleja said:
Huh. So we never got to know what happened to Vanderbeam and Co? That's really sad. I liked Starslip. I miss being a webcomic junkie, sometimes.

No, Starslip had a nice ending to it. You should catch up on it. It's still there.

Jan 26, 2013#164

David

I was just going through some old archives looking for a particular comic. It's really eerie how much he lays on fanboy praise of Scott Kurtz in his early blog posts.

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