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Cowboy Bebop
#1
Alucard
Alucard
Recently had some downtime this evening and decided to re watch Cowboy Bebop. I've probably only seen
3 episodes thus far. The last time I saw this show was when Adult Swim aired it way back then. I've forgotten
how awesome this anime is.
Does the anime followly closely to the manga or is it completely different like how the original Full Metal
Alchemist series diverged halfway through?
3 episodes thus far. The last time I saw this show was when Adult Swim aired it way back then. I've forgotten
how awesome this anime is.
Does the anime followly closely to the manga or is it completely different like how the original Full Metal
Alchemist series diverged halfway through?
#2
Rob King
Rob King
I'm pretty sure the manga are side stories, which would mean that A) the show and the manga don't tell the same story, but B) they do occur in the same continuity.
That's just my understanding, though. I haven't yet had the pleasure of reading the manga.
This past Saturday, though, I began to watch Cowboy Bebop again, with a female friend of mine. I'm afraid I might have oversold them, though, because after four episodes, it doesn't seem like she's interested in continuing at all. It always breaks my heart when people don't like Cowboy Bebop. It feels almost like something I love has been dismissed
That's just my understanding, though. I haven't yet had the pleasure of reading the manga.
This past Saturday, though, I began to watch Cowboy Bebop again, with a female friend of mine. I'm afraid I might have oversold them, though, because after four episodes, it doesn't seem like she's interested in continuing at all. It always breaks my heart when people don't like Cowboy Bebop. It feels almost like something I love has been dismissed
#3
Baerdog
Baerdog
I recently watched through this for the first time. Before I was even halfway through it, I knew it was gonna be my favorite anime. The only think I can't figure out is whether or not I like the actualy show or its soundtrack more.
#4
Alucard
Alucard
I think its a mixture of both. Well for me actually. The music just fits the show somehow.
I had to purchase this on DVD because it was that awesome. I prefer 'See You Space Cowboy' then the opening theme 'Tank!'
I had to purchase this on DVD because it was that awesome. I prefer 'See You Space Cowboy' then the opening theme 'Tank!'
#5
Baerdog
Baerdog
Are you talking about the ending theme? That is Real Folk Blues.
#6
Cajungal
Cajungal
Mmmmmm, I love that song. I wanna sing that song at a karaoke thingie at an anime convention, but I haven't the courage.
#7
Rob King
Rob King
The music for that show is phenomenal. I think my favorite is from the movie, though, "Gotta Knock a Little Harder."
#8
Cajungal
Cajungal
Blargh. I think I might need to watch this again this summer. Guess I'll have to put a few days aside to be terribly depressed.
#9
phil
phil
Looks like the comics are just adaptations and re-tellings of the series.
#10
Bowielee
Bowielee
Speaking of anime, I just started watching Bleach for the first time on Hulu. So far, I'm finding it OK. Not good, not bad, just OK.
Anyone know if it starts picking up? I'm about 7-8 episodes in.
Anyone know if it starts picking up? I'm about 7-8 episodes in.
#11
Allen, who is Quiet
Allen, who is Quiet
iirc, around episode 16.
#12
Soliloquy
Soliloquy
Cowboy Bebop just has a sort of... groove to it that I haven't seen matched in anything else. No sort of show, movie, story, play, anything
I tried watching some other anime series after it, but none of them really grabbed me the way Cowboy Bebop did.
I stopped watching after 30 episodes when I found that out.
I tried watching some other anime series after it, but none of them really grabbed me the way Cowboy Bebop did.
I'm about to ruin the entire show for you:Speaking of anime, I just started watching Bleach for the first time on Hulu. So far, I'm finding it OK. Not good, not bad, just OK.
Anyone know if it starts picking up? I'm about 7-8 episodes in.
Nobody dies in Bleach. Not a single major character.
I stopped watching after 30 episodes when I found that out.
#13
Iaculus
Iaculus
Have you tried Darker than Black? Great English dub, and the music's by Yoko Kanno, the same lady who did Cowboy Bebop's. She also did it for Macross Frontier, another of my favourites.
Baccano's another good one, with another excellent dub, though the soundtrack's by different people. Here's the OP as a taster:
Baccano's another good one, with another excellent dub, though the soundtrack's by different people. Here's the OP as a taster:
#14
Seraphyn
Seraphyn
As far as Bleach goes: the whole Soul Society arc is pretty awesome, but when that ends and the Bount start, it's time to move on because it's pretty much downhill from there. On Cowboy Bebop, I was under the impression that it was made as an anime first, so it would make sense that the manga would focus on other things as it wouldn't be very appealing otherwise. Never read it though.
#15
Alucard
Alucard
The only thing I cared for about Bleach was probably when they had to go rescue Rukia and that was it. It's kind of ludicrous how many episodes are out there now about it.
Baccano! is a series I'd recommend although it kind of gets a bit annoying since they jump around so much and keep going back to the events on what happened on the train.
Darker Than Black is great too despite the slightly unexpected ending.
Baccano! is a series I'd recommend although it kind of gets a bit annoying since they jump around so much and keep going back to the events on what happened on the train.
Darker Than Black is great too despite the slightly unexpected ending.
#16
fade
fade
Cowboy Bebop is good. I had the same experience as Rob. I can't get my wife to like it even though I know she would. I've tried to ease her in with other things like Bleach after the fact, but she has this nearly uncanny ability to only be awake for the crappy giant-head-yelling-snot-bubble episodes. I mean, it's really unreal, to the point that I'm keeping tally. As far as bleach goes, it's pretty good, except that a) it suffers from getonwithitism, and b) the guy who does Ichigo does about half the male voices, and they're not even that different. Like when Ichigo and Ikaku talk to each other, I'd be confused if I was blind.
#17
Bowielee
Bowielee
The version I'm watching is subbed, not dubbed, so voices don't really factor that much into it.Cowboy Bebop is good. I had the same experience as Rob. I can't get my wife to like it even though I know she would. I've tried to ease her in with other things like Bleach after the fact, but she has this nearly uncanny ability to only be awake for the crappy giant-head-yelling-snot-bubble episodes. I mean, it's really unreal, to the point that I'm keeping tally. As far as bleach goes, it's pretty good, except that a) it suffers from getonwithitism, and b) the guy who does Ichigo does about half the male voices, and they're not even that different. Like when Ichigo and Ikaku talk to each other, I'd be confused if I was blind.
#18
Oddbot
Oddbot
Cowboy Bebop is awesome and there's really no other anime remotely like it. Even the creators second show Samurai Champloo is nowhere near as good.
I've given up mostly on more recent animes, as they just don't seem to be as good as the stuff from around Bebop's time like Trigun, Evangelion, and Berserk.
Of course there's a few exceptions:
Monster is a great sort of psychological thriller that came out a couple years ago, Mushishi is a beautiful show with great stories and characters, and Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood is just full of pure awesome. Much much better than the original series which I also loved.
I've given up mostly on more recent animes, as they just don't seem to be as good as the stuff from around Bebop's time like Trigun, Evangelion, and Berserk.
Of course there's a few exceptions:
Monster is a great sort of psychological thriller that came out a couple years ago, Mushishi is a beautiful show with great stories and characters, and Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood is just full of pure awesome. Much much better than the original series which I also loved.
#19
fade
fade
I thought Trigun was (GASP!) fairly bad. I know I'm in the minority, but whatever.
#20
Oddbot
Oddbot
IMO, Trigun was a mediocre series until about half way through I'll give you that, and the whole plot was pretty much a rip-off of Kenshin (though done better imo), but it's still one of my favorite anime series.
#21
Cajungal
Cajungal
I enjoy Trigun, but it's one of those series that I can understand people not liking.... not like Bebop, I've physically pounced on people who talked crap about Bebop.
#22
Seraphyn
Seraphyn
Trigun was ok in my book, it was a fun watch. After reading the manga though I really hope they remake it since the original anime was finished like a decade or so before the manga was. I hear that there's an animated movie coming though
#23
Philosopher B.
Philosopher B.
I should really get around to seeing all of Cowboy Bebop. What I did see was pretty rad, though.
#24
Soliloquy
Soliloquy
I watched the first episode of Trigun, and decided that it wasn't worth my time. I cringed through the entire episode, and didn't think that watching any more of those was worth getting to the good stuff.
I'll look into Darker than Black, though. Sounds interesting.
I'll look into Darker than Black, though. Sounds interesting.
#25
fade
fade
Despite my opinion on Trigun, I watched the whole thing. It was given to good moments, sure, but not enough to offset the general nature of the show. For instance,
was one of the best death scenes ever.
Wolfwood's death
#26
Cajungal
Cajungal
#27
Iaculus
Darker than Black is definitely worth your while - I advise watching the first two episodes back-to-back in order to decide whether it's your cup of tea, but if you like those...
Oh, by the way, here's a link to a site where you can watch the dubbed version free. Also has Baccano, if you ain't seen that yet. Unlike Black Cat, I rather enjoyed the anachronic jumping around as we got more and more information about what was going on, though I will admit that being able to watch several episodes in a single sitting helped with that, and the dub's pretty much mandatory (they even got the accents right!).
Oh, and like the above shows, DtB also has a bitching piece of opening music.
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Iaculus
That's reasonable. It does get a lot better (and a hell of a lot darker) later on, but it certainly wasn't the work of genius some seem to refer to it as.I watched the first episode of Trigun, and decided that it wasn't worth my time. I cringed through the entire episode, and didn't think that watching any more of those was worth getting to the good stuff.
I'll look into Darker than Black, though. Sounds interesting.
Darker than Black is definitely worth your while - I advise watching the first two episodes back-to-back in order to decide whether it's your cup of tea, but if you like those...
Oh, by the way, here's a link to a site where you can watch the dubbed version free. Also has Baccano, if you ain't seen that yet. Unlike Black Cat, I rather enjoyed the anachronic jumping around as we got more and more information about what was going on, though I will admit that being able to watch several episodes in a single sitting helped with that, and the dub's pretty much mandatory (they even got the accents right!).
Oh, and like the above shows, DtB also has a bitching piece of opening music.
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Oh aye? What other recent stuff you watched that you disliked?Cowboy Bebop is awesome and there's really no other anime remotely like it. Even the creators second show Samurai Champloo is nowhere near as good.
I've given up mostly on more recent animes, as they just don't seem to be as good as the stuff from around Bebop's time like Trigun, Evangelion, and Berserk.
Of course there's a few exceptions:
Monster is a great sort of psychological thriller that came out a couple years ago, Mushishi is a beautiful show with great stories and characters, and Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood is just full of pure awesome. Much much better than the original series which I also loved.
#28
Rob King
I also really enjoyed Full Metal Panic!, which hasn't been mentioned up to this point. It jumped back and forth between dark sci-fi and lighthearted romantic comedy a whole lot, but that was part of it's strength. Also an excellent dub.
My guilty anime pleasure is the Gundam franchise. Nothing that's come out in the last ten years has been groundbreaking, or even incredibly entertaining, but the two series that stand out for me enough to talk about it and recommend it to people are Mobile Suit Gundam: 08th MS Team, and Mobile Suit Gundam: 0080, War in the Pocket.
Rob King
I don't like to be known as an 'anime/manga' fan. I have plenty of friends who are pretty gung-ho about it, and I see how people look at/deal with them, so I don't go nuts and hope that people don't dismiss me for a loony. All that said, though I have never actually hidden my affinity for anime or manga, the only anime/manga I have ever publicly and vehemently defended and downright proselytized about was Cowboy Bebop. I think that's part of the reason I find it so difficult to take when people don't appreciate it like I do. It's one of the better shows (including western television) I've watched, and I want to share it, but it's difficult because people sometimes dismiss it as so much cartoon garbage.I enjoy Trigun, but it's one of those series that I can understand people not liking.... not like Bebop, I've physically pounced on people who talked crap about Bebop.
I also really enjoyed Full Metal Panic!, which hasn't been mentioned up to this point. It jumped back and forth between dark sci-fi and lighthearted romantic comedy a whole lot, but that was part of it's strength. Also an excellent dub.
My guilty anime pleasure is the Gundam franchise. Nothing that's come out in the last ten years has been groundbreaking, or even incredibly entertaining, but the two series that stand out for me enough to talk about it and recommend it to people are Mobile Suit Gundam: 08th MS Team, and Mobile Suit Gundam: 0080, War in the Pocket.
#29
Bowielee
Bowielee
I know this is pretty out of left field, but IMO Naruto is made by the devil himself. Every time I see some teenage geek wearing one of those bandanas, I say a little prayer for thier immortal soul.
#30
General Specific
For those who are wondering, yes, the Cowboy Bebop clip came first.
General Specific
A little vindication for you, BowieI know this is pretty out of left field, but IMO Naruto is made by the devil himself. Every time I see some teenage geek wearing one of those bandanas, I say a little prayer for thier immortal soul.
For those who are wondering, yes, the Cowboy Bebop clip came first.
#31
Null
Null
I cannot stand Death Note. Loved Bebop. Loved Berserk. Wish Bleach got to the good stuff a little faster.
#32
Frankie Williamson
Frankie Williamson
Was there ever more to Beserk? Or do I have to hunt for, like, decades old manga? If that's the case, shitty.
#33
Iaculus
Iaculus
Have you seen the first episode of Gundam Unicorn yet? Sure, it's an OVA, so the release schedule's going to be glacial, and the author of the novel it's based on apparently has some kiiinda sketchy political views, but what exists so far is excellent, and definitely retains the appropriately 'Gundam-ish' feel. Oh, and the animation made me salivate.My guilty anime pleasure is the Gundam franchise. Nothing that's come out in the last ten years has been groundbreaking, or even incredibly entertaining, but the two series that stand out for me enough to talk about it and recommend it to people are Mobile Suit Gundam: 08th MS Team, and Mobile Suit Gundam: 0080, War in the Pocket.
#34
D
Dubyamn
D
Dubyamn
You have to hunt for the Manga. Totally worth it though IMO since it explains what is going on at the end during the Eclipse. Unfortunately you'll have to buy the manga since it comes in those nice sealed booklets.Was there ever more to Beserk? Or do I have to hunt for, like, decades old manga? If that's the case, shitty.
#35
SpecialKO
Hey Frankie, check your PMs.
I have long since despaired of getting my GF to like Bebop. She despises animation/cartoons in general, though, so I suppose it's a victory that she loves the soundtrack sans series.
SpecialKO
You have to hunt for the Manga. Totally worth it though IMO since it explains what is going on at the end during the Eclipse. Unfortunately you'll have to buy the manga since it comes in those nice sealed booklets.[/QUOTE]Was there ever more to Beserk? Or do I have to hunt for, like, decades old manga? If that's the case, shitty.
Hey Frankie, check your PMs.
I have long since despaired of getting my GF to like Bebop. She despises animation/cartoons in general, though, so I suppose it's a victory that she loves the soundtrack sans series.
#36
fade
fade
The original was kind of annoying (yet addictive), but Shippuden is much better. Much more mature and deeper. Well worth a watch. One thing that the authors of Naruto did well was invent an entire fleshed-out universe with it's own tech level, economy, etc. I think that makes it rather absorbing.I know this is pretty out of left field, but IMO Naruto is made by the devil himself. Every time I see some teenage geek wearing one of those bandanas, I say a little prayer for thier immortal soul.
#37
wana10
wana10
Outlaw star! one of my favourite shows and great space action...i try to recommend it to bebop fans cause i feel they'll like it but not many people end up watching it.
so i'll let optimus prime make my case for me
so i'll let optimus prime make my case for me
#38
Ferahgo
Ferahgo
I personally find Code Geass (50 total episodes) and Deathnote (37 or so i think) and Elfen Lied (12 or so episodes) to be exceptional Anime's. FLCL is also hilarious but only has 6 episodes.
Oh, and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann!!!!!!!!
Oh, and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann!!!!!!!!
#39
Iaculus
Iaculus
Code Geass? Deeply silly show that took itself far too seriously, and didn't so much have characters as random agglomerations of personality traits. The dub was great, though, despite a mediocre start, and if nothing else, I really want whatever the production team was smoking during R2.I personally find Code Geass (50 total episodes) and Deathnote (37 or so i think) to be exceptional Anime's. FLCL is also hilarious but only has 6 episodes.
Oh, and Tenga Toppa Gurren Lagann!!!!!!!!
#40
Ferahgo
Ferahgo
Ack, Dubs??? Dubs ruin all animes >.<
#41
Rob King
(Not necessarily true, but FLCL will be an exhibit in the upcoming trial to convict every Japanese person who has ever lived of excessive drug use.)
Rob King
FLCL is the closest I hope to ever get to an acid trip.I personally find Code Geass (50 total episodes) and Deathnote (37 or so i think) and Elfen Lied (12 or so episodes) to be exceptional Anime's. FLCL is also hilarious but only has 6 episodes.
(Not necessarily true, but FLCL will be an exhibit in the upcoming trial to convict every Japanese person who has ever lived of excessive drug use.)
#42
fade
fade
Why? I've never understood that. I speak a modicum of Japanese, and I've never gotten why the "purists" hate dubs so. They're usually fairly close to the original words. At least the more popular ones are.
#43
Ferahgo
Ferahgo
Yea it's basically the same words, but I find the acting to be better and the voices tend to fit the characters better. Atleast in my opinion they do
#44
Rob King
Rob King
The Japanese inflect strangely (to me), so I sometimes find it difficult to judge the quality of the Japanese voice acting. But some English dubs, the actors are phoning it in so. bad.
I'm not against dubs per se. I'm against bad dubs. But I always give the English dub a chance before I watch it with subtitles, if it's an option.
I'm not against dubs per se. I'm against bad dubs. But I always give the English dub a chance before I watch it with subtitles, if it's an option.
#45
Iaculus
Iaculus
Depends on the show. Some have good dubs, like Geass, Baccano, and Full Metal Panic. El Hazard: The Magnificent World even had the original creators deem the English version superior. Others... don't. TTGL, for instance, is infinitely superior in the original Japanese.Yea it's basically the same words, but I find the acting to be better and the voices tend to fit the characters better. Atleast in my opinion they do
#46
SpecialKO
Seriously. Watching the dubbed version of TTGL gave me horrible flashbacks of the early 90s when Streamline, Manga Entertainment, and Central Park Media were doing 90% of the dubbing...
EDIT: While AnimEigo wasn't bad, I don't think there were any good english-dubbing for anime outside of films like Princess Mononoke until Animaze showed up.
EDIT2: Go figure, Animaze did Geass and El Hazard.
SpecialKO
Depends on the show. Some have good dubs, like Geass, Baccano, and Full Metal Panic. El Hazard: The Magnificent World even had the original creators deem the English version superior. Others... don't. TTGL, for instance, is infinitely superior in the original Japanese.[/QUOTE]Yea it's basically the same words, but I find the acting to be better and the voices tend to fit the characters better. Atleast in my opinion they do
Seriously. Watching the dubbed version of TTGL gave me horrible flashbacks of the early 90s when Streamline, Manga Entertainment, and Central Park Media were doing 90% of the dubbing...
EDIT: While AnimEigo wasn't bad, I don't think there were any good english-dubbing for anime outside of films like Princess Mononoke until Animaze showed up.
EDIT2: Go figure, Animaze did Geass and El Hazard.
#47
Iaculus
Iaculus
Even a decidedly average dub can help, if elements of the original are bad enough. I had to switch to dubbing a quarter of the way through Gundam SEED simply to escape Soichiro Hoshi's horrific attempts at crying (seriously, it's the closest thing I've yet encountered to ear rape with a sandpaper condom), and it's a decision that I believe was the sole reason I was able to get through so much of the series. Likewise with Rah Xephon, thanks to the nigh-illegible subtitles. Of course, I ended up abandoning both those series for unrelated reasons, but there you go.
#48
drifter
drifter
I myself generally dislike dubs, but to be fair, anime dub actors are usually put in an untenable position. From what I understand, they're basically given a script and then expected to start recording right away; little chance to watch the episode beforehand (unless they have taken it upon themselves to do so on their own time), rarely a chance to do a cold run. Talk, record, print. Speed is king. There are of course exceptions, but these days if a dub is bad, I think it's usually due more to time constraints as opposed to lack of caring.The Japanese inflect strangely (to me), so I sometimes find it difficult to judge the quality of the Japanese voice acting. But some English dubs, the actors are phoning it in so. bad.
I'm not against dubs per se. I'm against bad dubs. But I always give the English dub a chance before I watch it with subtitles, if it's an option.
#49
Rob King
On the whole, Gundam SEED was pretty okay, though it DID inspire me to start working on a story that I conceived of to address the 'problems' I saw with the series (and the Gundam franchise as a whole, to be truthful). It's changed a lot since I started conceiving it back in High School (approaching seven years now) but it still contains plenty of the original anti-Gundam themes.
Rob King
Oh god. I remember that.I had to switch to dubbing a quarter of the way through Gundam SEED simply to escape Soichiro Hoshi's horrific attempts at crying (seriously, it's the closest thing I've yet encountered to ear rape with a sandpaper condom), and it's a decision that I believe was the sole reason I was able to get through so much of the series.
On the whole, Gundam SEED was pretty okay, though it DID inspire me to start working on a story that I conceived of to address the 'problems' I saw with the series (and the Gundam franchise as a whole, to be truthful). It's changed a lot since I started conceiving it back in High School (approaching seven years now) but it still contains plenty of the original anti-Gundam themes.
#50
Iaculus
On the whole, Gundam SEED was pretty okay, though it DID inspire me to start working on a story that I conceived of to address the 'problems' I saw with the series (and the Gundam franchise as a whole, to be truthful). It's changed a lot since I started conceiving it back in High School (approaching seven years now) but it still contains plenty of the original anti-Gundam themes.[/QUOTE]
Oh aye? Which ones?
My gripes with SEED, and the reasons I never finished it, were the dearth of likable characters (except Mu - Mu was cool), the plot taking far too long to get going, and the horrific abuse of clip shows and stock footage at the most inopportune moments. Curiously enough, though, I loved G Gundam, mostly because it was quite obvious that nobody making it was taking it the least bit seriously. Statue of Liberty Cannon. Windmill Gundam. Sekiha Love Love Tenkyoken. Fuck yes.
Iaculus
Oh god. I remember that.I had to switch to dubbing a quarter of the way through Gundam SEED simply to escape Soichiro Hoshi's horrific attempts at crying (seriously, it's the closest thing I've yet encountered to ear rape with a sandpaper condom), and it's a decision that I believe was the sole reason I was able to get through so much of the series.
On the whole, Gundam SEED was pretty okay, though it DID inspire me to start working on a story that I conceived of to address the 'problems' I saw with the series (and the Gundam franchise as a whole, to be truthful). It's changed a lot since I started conceiving it back in High School (approaching seven years now) but it still contains plenty of the original anti-Gundam themes.[/QUOTE]
Oh aye? Which ones?
My gripes with SEED, and the reasons I never finished it, were the dearth of likable characters (except Mu - Mu was cool), the plot taking far too long to get going, and the horrific abuse of clip shows and stock footage at the most inopportune moments. Curiously enough, though, I loved G Gundam, mostly because it was quite obvious that nobody making it was taking it the least bit seriously. Statue of Liberty Cannon. Windmill Gundam. Sekiha Love Love Tenkyoken. Fuck yes.
#51
Rob King
2 - The existence of insanely powerful weapons, which can obliterate entire battlefields-worth of enemies in a split second.
3 - The clean-ness of war. Granted, they're essentially in the navy, but the Archangel, and all the ships in all of the Gundam franchises look too clean and too good.
4 - Mindlist pacifist characters. Lacus was much better than Releena from Gundam Wing, but still ...
Two things I like about the Gundam series is the realistic-ish representation of space, the absence of aliens (except for evidence 01 ... wtf?!). The one thing I LOVED about Gundam SEED was the Flay/Kira relationship, basically because it was the worst relationship ever, but made sense. Same thing with the Shinn/Lunamaria relationship, despite my dislike of Shinn.
There are other things I disliked, and other things I loved, but those are the major ones. There have been Gundam series that challenge all of this, and indeed, the earliest series' don't have some of them to begin with (Amuro's Gundam was not indestructible, for example. A Zaku II was a frightening thing back then. Nowadays, not so much) but those were the larger anti-Gundam influences in what I was/am writing.
EDIT: And I loved the numerous deaths of this series. They weren't afraid to kill off anyone, and although some of them (I would guess due to fan outcry) didn't stay dead, I appreciated the fact that they made you feel like nobody was safe. Except for Andrew Waltfeld. Shit, I loved that guy, and I was so glad when he came back.
Rob King
1 - Nobody characters who become gods when you put a weapon in their hands. They wrote Kira an excuse, but I still didn't like it. As an extension of this ... the kids. Why is every ship run by teenagers?! And why are they competent, even if they only started their job like ... yesterday.Oh aye? Which ones?
2 - The existence of insanely powerful weapons, which can obliterate entire battlefields-worth of enemies in a split second.
3 - The clean-ness of war. Granted, they're essentially in the navy, but the Archangel, and all the ships in all of the Gundam franchises look too clean and too good.
4 - Mindlist pacifist characters. Lacus was much better than Releena from Gundam Wing, but still ...
Two things I like about the Gundam series is the realistic-ish representation of space, the absence of aliens (except for evidence 01 ... wtf?!). The one thing I LOVED about Gundam SEED was the Flay/Kira relationship, basically because it was the worst relationship ever, but made sense. Same thing with the Shinn/Lunamaria relationship, despite my dislike of Shinn.
There are other things I disliked, and other things I loved, but those are the major ones. There have been Gundam series that challenge all of this, and indeed, the earliest series' don't have some of them to begin with (Amuro's Gundam was not indestructible, for example. A Zaku II was a frightening thing back then. Nowadays, not so much) but those were the larger anti-Gundam influences in what I was/am writing.
EDIT: And I loved the numerous deaths of this series. They weren't afraid to kill off anyone, and although some of them (I would guess due to fan outcry) didn't stay dead, I appreciated the fact that they made you feel like nobody was safe. Except for Andrew Waltfeld. Shit, I loved that guy, and I was so glad when he came back.
#52
V.Bond
V.Bond
If you want a "realistic" Gundam, you should watch 08th MS Team.
As far as I'm concerned, regarding Bebop, you can't go wrong watching Outlaw Star or Samurai Champloo afterward.
I've got nothing really to add to this conversation.
Have some Bebop type music from TTGL.
As far as I'm concerned, regarding Bebop, you can't go wrong watching Outlaw Star or Samurai Champloo afterward.
I've got nothing really to add to this conversation.
Have some Bebop type music from TTGL.
#53
SpecialKO
SpecialKO
What I liked about Amuro is that, unlike most of his heroic successors, while he was certainly remarkably gifted as a pilot, he didn't start as a terrifying badass flyer of death. He becomes one over time and (implied) dozens, if not hundreds of battles. Hell, 15 years or something go by in between his first appearance and Char's counterattack.
Speaking of which, every rivalry between pilots in a Gundam series has just plain sucked in comparison to what was going on between Amuro and Char, IMHO.
Speaking of which, every rivalry between pilots in a Gundam series has just plain sucked in comparison to what was going on between Amuro and Char, IMHO.
#54
Rob King
Rob King
It's my favorite Gundam series.If you want a "realistic" Gundam, you should watch 08th MS Team.
You speak truth, on both accounts. I love the relationship/rivalry between Amuro and Char so freaking much. Especially in Zeta Gundam, when they sort of end up on the same side. They've got a respect for each-other, but also a history that's hard to get past.What I liked about Amuro is that, unlike most of his heroic successors, while he was certainly remarkably gifted as a pilot, he didn't start as a terrifying badass flyer of death. He becomes one over time and (implied) dozens, if not hundreds of battles. Hell, 15 years or something go by in between his first appearance and Char's counterattack.
Speaking of which, every rivalry between pilots in a Gundam series has just plain sucked in comparison to what was going on between Amuro and Char, IMHO.
#55
Iaculus
That's one of the reasons I liked Gundam 00's first season, despite its flaws. Even if they had to crib a few notes from Full Metal Panic, they actually started to explore just how incredibly screwed-up those sorts of characters might end up being.
Iaculus
1 - Nobody characters who become gods when you put a weapon in their hands. They wrote Kira an excuse, but I still didn't like it. As an extension of this ... the kids. Why is every ship run by teenagers?! And why are they competent, even if they only started their job like ... yesterday.[/QUOTE]Oh aye? Which ones?
That's one of the reasons I liked Gundam 00's first season, despite its flaws. Even if they had to crib a few notes from Full Metal Panic, they actually started to explore just how incredibly screwed-up those sorts of characters might end up being.
Eh? Seems an odd complaint. You'd sort of expect obscenely powerful superweapons in that sort of setting, especially given that the shows tend to have an anti-war bent and are made in Japan. Is it more the way they're handled that bugs you?2 - The existence of insanely powerful weapons, which can obliterate entire battlefields-worth of enemies in a split second.
Seems more like a result of a limited animation budget than anything else, especially when you consider the other problems the shows, SEED especially, had in that regard. Don't forget that the 08th MS Team, one of the best at averting this, also had one of the highest budgets due to its OVA status. Also, the Archangel at least had an in-story justification for how shiny it was - namely, the same phase-shift tech as the Strike. A bit visually irritating in that show, probably due to the relatively primitive CGI they were so fond of, but at least they came up with some sort of handwave.3 - The clean-ness of war. Granted, they're essentially in the navy, but the Archangel, and all the ships in all of the Gundam franchises look too clean and too good.
#56
Allen, who is Quiet
Allen, who is Quiet
Curiously enough, though, I loved G Gundam, mostly because it was quite obvious that nobody making it was taking it the least bit seriously. Statue of Liberty Cannon. Windmill Gundam. Sekiha Love Love Tenkyoken. Fuck yes.
#57
Iaculus
Hilariously, the 'Newtype Drive' system in Gundam Unicorn appears to closely resemble the Shining Gundam's Super Mode. Yes, it's set in the Universal Century timeline. Go figure.
Iaculus
[/QUOTE]Curiously enough, though, I loved G Gundam, mostly because it was quite obvious that nobody making it was taking it the least bit seriously. Statue of Liberty Cannon. Windmill Gundam. Sekiha Love Love Tenkyoken. Fuck yes.
Hilariously, the 'Newtype Drive' system in Gundam Unicorn appears to closely resemble the Shining Gundam's Super Mode. Yes, it's set in the Universal Century timeline. Go figure.
#58
Allen, who is Quiet
Allen, who is Quiet
Huh. Well I'll be.
#59
Rob King
Beyond that, I hate how mobile suits are the end of warfare in the Gundam series. I realize that the entire show is an elaborate way to sell toys to children, and I fucking LOVE mecha, but the way they're handled doesn't make much sense to me. With very few exceptions, nobody who is not in a mobile suit, can take out a mobile suit. I would imagine that if Mobile Suits were to become the reality, tactics and weapons would evolve to combat them. I mean, the invention of the tank changed the warfare of the day, and though they are still insanely effective, the way we do war has evolved to accommodate the tank in such a way that there are times and places where they can be destroyed with ease.
(Now ... this might not ring true today in an America-dominated world. The state-of-the-art nature of the M1 Abrams, and the fact that they're currently fighting insurgents in the third world mean that my example might not ring true. But the ZAFT-Earth Federation gap was never implied to be as large as the USA-Afghani one. In a multi-superpower world, no one weapon platform would so outstrip the other without appropriate countermeasures being developed)
As far as superweapons/weapons of mass destruction are concerned, there are some Gundam WMDs that I have no problem with, or even like. The Cyclops system that the Earth Federation set off in Alaska was okay. Even the pseudo-death star thing that ZAFT developed was fine. But none of the Gundams, I thought, were acceptable.
Rob King
I suppose so. I watched up to the halfway mark on 00 and then just sort of ... forgot about it.That's one of the reasons I liked Gundam 00's first season, despite its flaws. Even if they had to crib a few notes from Full Metal Panic, they actually started to explore just how incredibly screwed-up those sorts of characters might end up being.Rob King;349472 said:1 - Nobody characters who become gods when you put a weapon in their hands. They wrote Kira an excuse, but I still didn't like it. As an extension of this ... the kids. Why is every ship run by teenagers?! And why are they competent, even if they only started their job like ... yesterday.Oh aye? Which ones?
Maybe I wasn't specific enough. While I was writing that, I was thinking in particular of the Gundams, which are head and shoulders above the competition in the later Gundams. Think Kira, firing all of Freedom's weapons at once, and destroying seven to ten enemies, all with non-lethal shots to the pilots.Eh? Seems an odd complaint. You'd sort of expect obscenely powerful superweapons in that sort of setting, especially given that the shows tend to have an anti-war bent and are made in Japan. Is it more the way they're handled that bugs you?2 - The existence of insanely powerful weapons, which can obliterate entire battlefields-worth of enemies in a split second.
Beyond that, I hate how mobile suits are the end of warfare in the Gundam series. I realize that the entire show is an elaborate way to sell toys to children, and I fucking LOVE mecha, but the way they're handled doesn't make much sense to me. With very few exceptions, nobody who is not in a mobile suit, can take out a mobile suit. I would imagine that if Mobile Suits were to become the reality, tactics and weapons would evolve to combat them. I mean, the invention of the tank changed the warfare of the day, and though they are still insanely effective, the way we do war has evolved to accommodate the tank in such a way that there are times and places where they can be destroyed with ease.
(Now ... this might not ring true today in an America-dominated world. The state-of-the-art nature of the M1 Abrams, and the fact that they're currently fighting insurgents in the third world mean that my example might not ring true. But the ZAFT-Earth Federation gap was never implied to be as large as the USA-Afghani one. In a multi-superpower world, no one weapon platform would so outstrip the other without appropriate countermeasures being developed)
As far as superweapons/weapons of mass destruction are concerned, there are some Gundam WMDs that I have no problem with, or even like. The Cyclops system that the Earth Federation set off in Alaska was okay. Even the pseudo-death star thing that ZAFT developed was fine. But none of the Gundams, I thought, were acceptable.
Eeh. Excuse or no, it still irritates me. I loved in Zeta Gundam, when they would get into a particularly brutal fight, and then you'd see them trying to repair the ship in the next episode or two. I'm not sure if I'm making this part up or not, but didn't it become a plot device at one point, when they weren't able to repair the catapult before the next battle?Seems more like a result of a limited animation budget than anything else, especially when you consider the other problems the shows, SEED especially, had in that regard. Don't forget that the 08th MS Team, one of the best at averting this, also had one of the highest budgets due to its OVA status. Also, the Archangel at least had an in-story justification for how shiny it was - namely, the same phase-shift tech as the Strike. A bit visually irritating in that show, probably due to the relatively primitive CGI they were so fond of, but at least they came up with some sort of handwave.3 - The clean-ness of war. Granted, they're essentially in the navy, but the Archangel, and all the ships in all of the Gundam franchises look too clean and too good.
#60
SpecialKO
SpecialKO
Did anyone here besides me freakin' love Gasaraki?
It was like Gundam with a cold shot of devastating 21st century geopolitics injected into its veins that also managed to get even more weirdly mystical and spiritual without losing its edge.
It was like Gundam with a cold shot of devastating 21st century geopolitics injected into its veins that also managed to get even more weirdly mystical and spiritual without losing its edge.
#61
Rob King
Rob King
Do want.
I will check it out when I am able.
I will check it out when I am able.
#62
Alucard
Alucard
You know I don't know why some of you like FLCL. Sure it was an interesting show to say the least.
It was also one of the weirdest shows in anime I've seen with relatively no coherent plot.
It was also one of the weirdest shows in anime I've seen with relatively no coherent plot.
#63
Cajungal
I think there's plenty to be explored. And sure, some if it is nonsense, but that goes for lots of anime that is much worse and yet much more appreciated.
Cajungal
Sure there was a plot. There's a difference between a story not revealing everything so you can speculate and not having a plot. I thought it examined the jaded attitude of pre-teenagers really well. There's a sexually desirable, musical instrument-wielding antagonist who's making life very complicated for him--using him and messing with his head.You know I don't know why some of you like FLCL. Sure it was an interesting show to say the least.
It was also one of the weirdest shows in anime I've seen with relatively no coherent plot.
I think there's plenty to be explored. And sure, some if it is nonsense, but that goes for lots of anime that is much worse and yet much more appreciated.
#64
sixpackshaker
sixpackshaker
I loved Bebop.
I wish I could find a good copy of the much maligned Robotech / Starblazers / Battle of the Planets that I grew up on... I wished the same voice cast that did those could have done the non-censored versions of the original shows.
I wish I could find a good copy of the much maligned Robotech / Starblazers / Battle of the Planets that I grew up on... I wished the same voice cast that did those could have done the non-censored versions of the original shows.
#65
wana10
wana10
there was a box set of robotech remastered released a couple years back. comes in a cool blue box and everythingI loved Bebop.
I wish I could find a good copy of the much maligned Robotech / Starblazers / Battle of the Planets that I grew up on... I wished the same voice cast that did those could have done the non-censored versions of the original shows.
#66
Iaculus
Yeah, sounds familiar. The fitrst season gets a lot more engaging as it goes on, and Celestial Being's overwhelming advantage degrades more and more. It's quite a satisfying deconstruction of the stuff you mention below. Sadly, the second season largely wastes that potential, but there you have it.
The superiority of mobile suits is justified in SEED, due to Coordinators being better in every way than Naturals (so presumably their weapons tech would develop a lot faster, and their pilots woul be better at using it), but this, of course, presents narrative problems of its own that the series does not adequately address. Having one side run by insane, incompetent racists who are getting their backsides handed to them already and having the other as the antagonists does not make for a compelling conflict. I know they were trying for shades of grey, but apart from the clumsy superweapon-off at the end, they could have stood to make ZAFT darker and the Earth Alliance lighter.
Incidentally, any suggestions on how other units might adapt to a battlefield dominated by suits? I mean, I can certainly see a place for aircraft due to their increased speed, out-of-LOS capabilities, et cetera, and infantry would definitely be useful in dense terrain and to hold objectives, but I can't see how the humble tank could match something with the firepower and manoeuverability of a flight-capable suit. Would they become more stealthy, using their low profiles and heavy weaponry to serve as mechanised snipers?
Iaculus
I suppose so. I watched up to the halfway mark on 00 and then just sort of ... forgot about it.[/QUOTE]That's one of the reasons I liked Gundam 00's first season, despite its flaws. Even if they had to crib a few notes from Full Metal Panic, they actually started to explore just how incredibly screwed-up those sorts of characters might end up being.Rob King;349472 said:1 - Nobody characters who become gods when you put a weapon in their hands. They wrote Kira an excuse, but I still didn't like it. As an extension of this ... the kids. Why is every ship run by teenagers?! And why are they competent, even if they only started their job like ... yesterday.Oh aye? Which ones?
Yeah, sounds familiar. The fitrst season gets a lot more engaging as it goes on, and Celestial Being's overwhelming advantage degrades more and more. It's quite a satisfying deconstruction of the stuff you mention below. Sadly, the second season largely wastes that potential, but there you have it.
Ah, we had different notions of superweapons in mind. I was thinking of nuke-equivalents like GENESIS and the Apsalus. Certainly, the invincibility of the Gundam (especially outside the Universal Century timeline) is a bit of an issue - it's difficult to have a good story without meaningful conflict.Maybe I wasn't specific enough. While I was writing that, I was thinking in particular of the Gundams, which are head and shoulders above the competition in the later Gundams. Think Kira, firing all of Freedom's weapons at once, and destroying seven to ten enemies, all with non-lethal shots to the pilots.Eh? Seems an odd complaint. You'd sort of expect obscenely powerful superweapons in that sort of setting, especially given that the shows tend to have an anti-war bent and are made in Japan. Is it more the way they're handled that bugs you?2 - The existence of insanely powerful weapons, which can obliterate entire battlefields-worth of enemies in a split second.
Beyond that, I hate how mobile suits are the end of warfare in the Gundam series. I realize that the entire show is an elaborate way to sell toys to children, and I fucking LOVE mecha, but the way they're handled doesn't make much sense to me. With very few exceptions, nobody who is not in a mobile suit, can take out a mobile suit. I would imagine that if Mobile Suits were to become the reality, tactics and weapons would evolve to combat them. I mean, the invention of the tank changed the warfare of the day, and though they are still insanely effective, the way we do war has evolved to accommodate the tank in such a way that there are times and places where they can be destroyed with ease.
(Now ... this might not ring true today in an America-dominated world. The state-of-the-art nature of the M1 Abrams, and the fact that they're currently fighting insurgents in the third world mean that my example might not ring true. But the ZAFT-Earth Federation gap was never implied to be as large as the USA-Afghani one. In a multi-superpower world, no one weapon platform would so outstrip the other without appropriate countermeasures being developed)
As far as superweapons/weapons of mass destruction are concerned, there are some Gundam WMDs that I have no problem with, or even like. The Cyclops system that the Earth Federation set off in Alaska was okay. Even the pseudo-death star thing that ZAFT developed was fine. But none of the Gundams, I thought, were acceptable.
The superiority of mobile suits is justified in SEED, due to Coordinators being better in every way than Naturals (so presumably their weapons tech would develop a lot faster, and their pilots woul be better at using it), but this, of course, presents narrative problems of its own that the series does not adequately address. Having one side run by insane, incompetent racists who are getting their backsides handed to them already and having the other as the antagonists does not make for a compelling conflict. I know they were trying for shades of grey, but apart from the clumsy superweapon-off at the end, they could have stood to make ZAFT darker and the Earth Alliance lighter.
Incidentally, any suggestions on how other units might adapt to a battlefield dominated by suits? I mean, I can certainly see a place for aircraft due to their increased speed, out-of-LOS capabilities, et cetera, and infantry would definitely be useful in dense terrain and to hold objectives, but I can't see how the humble tank could match something with the firepower and manoeuverability of a flight-capable suit. Would they become more stealthy, using their low profiles and heavy weaponry to serve as mechanised snipers?
Ah, so less a question of aesthetics, and more a question of creative use of battle-damage in-story. I can agree with that - certainly, the first twenty-odd episodes that weren't already clip-shows could have used some narrative variety - though I could have sworn that there were some instances of the Archangel getting damaged in a plot-relevant manner.Eeh. Excuse or no, it still irritates me. I loved in Zeta Gundam, when they would get into a particularly brutal fight, and then you'd see them trying to repair the ship in the next episode or two. I'm not sure if I'm making this part up or not, but didn't it become a plot device at one point, when they weren't able to repair the catapult before the next battle?Seems more like a result of a limited animation budget than anything else, especially when you consider the other problems the shows, SEED especially, had in that regard. Don't forget that the 08th MS Team, one of the best at averting this, also had one of the highest budgets due to its OVA status. Also, the Archangel at least had an in-story justification for how shiny it was - namely, the same phase-shift tech as the Strike. A bit visually irritating in that show, probably due to the relatively primitive CGI they were so fond of, but at least they came up with some sort of handwave.3 - The clean-ness of war. Granted, they're essentially in the navy, but the Archangel, and all the ships in all of the Gundam franchises look too clean and too good.
#67
Rob King
Also, in space mobile suits don't make sense to me for combat. I can get that they are effectively modular, where you can take multiple or varied weapons. And I understand that we don't have to worry about aerodynamics in space, so it might as well be a giant robot man. But in every series 'mobile armors' are pretty quickly driven out by mobile suits, and I can't really imagine that happening in reality.
Regarding the ZAFT vs. EAF divide, I think I agree, although ZAFT turned out to be just as racist against the inferior humans. Maybe it was reactionary, I don't know. I appreciated early on when there were 'good guys' on both sides of the war, and I loved in Destiny when some good guys stayed on both sides of the war. But on the whole, the entire war, and both factions involved, seemed to get a pretty clumsy treatment.
But that's been a problem ever since White Base.
Rob King
Well, mobile suits would drive out tanks in much the same way that tanks drove out trenches. But I would have liked to see more effective infantry. I mean, you're only really dealing with a giant person (albeit one made of metal). Trip it. Blind it. Engage it in locations where it cannot go. I dunno ... cook up giant vats of superglue and then shoot the barrels at it's joints.Ah, we had different notions of superweapons in mind. I was thinking of nuke-equivalents like GENESIS and the Apsalus. Certainly, the invincibility of the Gundam (especially outside the Universal Century timeline) is a bit of an issue - it's difficult to have a good story without meaningful conflict.
The superiority of mobile suits is justified in SEED, due to Coordinators being better in every way than Naturals (so presumably their weapons tech would develop a lot faster, and their pilots woul be better at using it), but this, of course, presents narrative problems of its own that the series does not adequately address. Having one side run by insane, incompetent racists who are getting their backsides handed to them already and having the other as the antagonists does not make for a compelling conflict. I know they were trying for shades of grey, but apart from the clumsy superweapon-off at the end, they could have stood to make ZAFT darker and the Earth Alliance lighter.
Incidentally, any suggestions on how other units might adapt to a battlefield dominated by suits? I mean, I can certainly see a place for aircraft due to their increased speed, out-of-LOS capabilities, et cetera, and infantry would definitely be useful in dense terrain and to hold objectives, but I can't see how the humble tank could match something with the firepower and manoeuverability of a flight-capable suit. Would they become more stealthy, using their low profiles and heavy weaponry to serve as mechanised snipers?
Also, in space mobile suits don't make sense to me for combat. I can get that they are effectively modular, where you can take multiple or varied weapons. And I understand that we don't have to worry about aerodynamics in space, so it might as well be a giant robot man. But in every series 'mobile armors' are pretty quickly driven out by mobile suits, and I can't really imagine that happening in reality.
Regarding the ZAFT vs. EAF divide, I think I agree, although ZAFT turned out to be just as racist against the inferior humans. Maybe it was reactionary, I don't know. I appreciated early on when there were 'good guys' on both sides of the war, and I loved in Destiny when some good guys stayed on both sides of the war. But on the whole, the entire war, and both factions involved, seemed to get a pretty clumsy treatment.
Well, it's a bit of both. Aesthetically, I wish the Archangel would have fit in better with the EAF fleet. I mean, they're all steely gray, and then you get this pure white ship with red highlights showing up? And the shape of the thing ... I mean, I know aerodynamics don't matter in space, but what the hell kind of shape was that? The problem only gets compounded when you consider that this thing does eventually operate in the atmosphere, which makes even less sense.Ah, so less a question of aesthetics, and more a question of creative use of battle-damage in-story. I can agree with that - certainly, the first twenty-odd episodes that weren't already clip-shows could have used some narrative variety - though I could have sworn that there were some instances of the Archangel getting damaged in a plot-relevant manner.
But that's been a problem ever since White Base.
#68
SpecialKO
Infantry with shoulder-mounted rockets, anti-armor mines, anti-Gundam rifles. Mobile gun/missile platforms. Artillery. I never understood why none of the simple things, like weapons and armor, rarely trickled down to non-Gundam units like it does in real-life.
SpecialKO
Well, mobile suits would drive out tanks in much the same way that tanks drove out trenches. But I would have liked to see more effective infantry. I mean, you're only really dealing with a giant person (albeit one made of metal). Trip it. Blind it. Engage it in locations where it cannot go. I dunno ... cook up giant vats of superglue and then shoot the barrels at it's joints. [/QUOTE]Incidentally, any suggestions on how other units might adapt to a battlefield dominated by suits? I mean, I can certainly see a place for aircraft due to their increased speed, out-of-LOS capabilities, et cetera, and infantry would definitely be useful in dense terrain and to hold objectives, but I can't see how the humble tank could match something with the firepower and manoeuverability of a flight-capable suit. Would they become more stealthy, using their low profiles and heavy weaponry to serve as mechanised snipers?
Infantry with shoulder-mounted rockets, anti-armor mines, anti-Gundam rifles. Mobile gun/missile platforms. Artillery. I never understood why none of the simple things, like weapons and armor, rarely trickled down to non-Gundam units like it does in real-life.
#69
Allen, who is Quiet
Allen, who is Quiet
Because that would mean the bipedal robots are less cool when compared to every other war machine.
#70
SpecialKO
SpecialKO
Tanks aren't any less cool despite all the ways that exist to take out tanks.
#71
Allen, who is Quiet
Allen, who is Quiet
Unstoppable weapons that are only stoppable by similar weapons lose that claim when infantry and tanks can stop them. The series wants them to be super weapons, technological realism be damned.
#72
SpecialKO
SpecialKO
Granted, but it's not an insurmountable narrative problem.
#73
Iaculus
Zakus, meet rocket launchers.
Iaculus
Depending on the series. As mentioned, they're pretty stoppable in the 08th MS Team.Unstoppable weapons that are only stoppable by similar weapons lose that claim when infantry and tanks can stop them. The series wants them to be super weapons, technological realism be damned.
Zakus, meet rocket launchers.
#74
Rob King
Which is one of the many reasons I will not be given authority over a Gundam franchise ...
Rob King
That's fine. And Gundam can keep on doing that. But if I were given authority over a Gundam franchise, it's one of the things I would change.Unstoppable weapons that are only stoppable by similar weapons lose that claim when infantry and tanks can stop them. The series wants them to be super weapons, technological realism be damned.
Which is one of the many reasons I will not be given authority over a Gundam franchise ...
#75
Allen, who is Quiet
Zakus, meet rocket launchers.[/QUOTE]
Why I love 08th MS Team.
Allen, who is Quiet
Depending on the series. As mentioned, they're pretty stoppable in the 08th MS Team.Unstoppable weapons that are only stoppable by similar weapons lose that claim when infantry and tanks can stop them. The series wants them to be super weapons, technological realism be damned.
Zakus, meet rocket launchers.[/QUOTE]
Why I love 08th MS Team.
#76
Iaculus
Zakus, meet rocket launchers.[/QUOTE]
Why I love 08th MS Team.[/QUOTE]
Incidentally, there's also a similar (if slightly less fatal) incident involving a rocket launcher and a hitherto-unstoppable mobile suit in Unicorn. Those Zeon mono-eyes really are giant 'SHOOT ME HERE' signs, aren't they?
Iaculus
Depending on the series. As mentioned, they're pretty stoppable in the 08th MS Team.Unstoppable weapons that are only stoppable by similar weapons lose that claim when infantry and tanks can stop them. The series wants them to be super weapons, technological realism be damned.
Zakus, meet rocket launchers.[/QUOTE]
Why I love 08th MS Team.[/QUOTE]
Incidentally, there's also a similar (if slightly less fatal) incident involving a rocket launcher and a hitherto-unstoppable mobile suit in Unicorn. Those Zeon mono-eyes really are giant 'SHOOT ME HERE' signs, aren't they?