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Dear Ben
#1
Chazwozel
Chazwozel
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/sports/football/13roethlisberger.html
Please stop being a rapist and focus on playing football.
Roethlisberger Isn’t Charged, but the N.F.L. Could Act
Please stop being a rapist and focus on playing football.
#2
Shaw Coyote
Shaw Coyote
Can't he do both?
#3
Dave
Dave
I'm not sure how to feel about this one. They were actively trying to find stuff to charge this guy with and couldn't. I'm not saying that nothing happened, but it might not have been rape. Still, she immediately went to the hospital and police so I think that gives her credibility.
Man, without proof it's tough to say he did anything as it's all conjecture.
Man, without proof it's tough to say he did anything as it's all conjecture.
#4
sixpackshaker
sixpackshaker
He seems to be a great player, and a complete douche.
#5
Matt²
Matt²
I'd like to get the imagery of him raping a football out of my head please.Can't he do both?
#6
Chazwozel
I believe his first accusation back in November, however, was all just a money making attempt. But again, Rothlisburger really needs just stop hanging out with bar skanks.
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Actually he's a really good guy too. He does a lot of community stuff around Pittsburgh, fundraising, etc... His problem is that he likes to party. And this is the sort of shit you can get tangled with when you party with shady people all the time. He's fallen into that time old trap of sports athletes thinking they can get by like movie celebrities.
I really wish the NFL was like the NHL in terms of keeping their players on a leash. You don't see as many NHL guys doing shit like this because they know the NHL doesn't tolerate it and will fire their ass. I've always hated how the NFL is composed of 50% convicts.
Chazwozel
I believe this is a case of both of them being really, really, really fucking wasted. I'm guess sexual things did go on, but based on the evidence, they didn't gather enough stuff to claim anything. The girl retracted her lawsuit. Moral of the story is Ben needs to stop being a drunken idiot. Do I really think he's a rapist? No. But he really needs to learn to control his partying and who he hangs out with.I'm not sure how to feel about this one. They were actively trying to find stuff to charge this guy with and couldn't. I'm not saying that nothing happened, but it might not have been rape. Still, she immediately went to the hospital and police so I think that gives her credibility.
Man, without proof it's tough to say he did anything as it's all conjecture.
I believe his first accusation back in November, however, was all just a money making attempt. But again, Rothlisburger really needs just stop hanging out with bar skanks.
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He seems to be a great player, and a complete douche.
Actually he's a really good guy too. He does a lot of community stuff around Pittsburgh, fundraising, etc... His problem is that he likes to party. And this is the sort of shit you can get tangled with when you party with shady people all the time. He's fallen into that time old trap of sports athletes thinking they can get by like movie celebrities.
I really wish the NFL was like the NHL in terms of keeping their players on a leash. You don't see as many NHL guys doing shit like this because they know the NHL doesn't tolerate it and will fire their ass. I've always hated how the NFL is composed of 50% convicts.
#7
Dave
Dave
She retracted her lawsuit but it looks like she did so because (1) she got $$ and (2) she knew that without more evidence the only thing that would happen would be a media circus with her in the middle being dragged through the mud. Seriously I think something may have happened but she knows what the lawyers and press would do to her on a personal level, which is too bad.
#8
sixpackshaker
A lot of they athletes do the "good guy" gestures because to the NFL contracts with the United Way. Reggie Jackson talked a good game, but he was just good at acting like he was a decent human being.
Big Ben is a skeeve. He is a high priced athlete out getting underaged girls SMASHED in college bars.
I wonder if the girl knew who the hell he was. He is not exactly poster boy material.
sixpackshaker
He seems to be a great player, and a complete douche.
Actually he's a really good guy too. He does a lot of community stuff around Pittsburgh, fundraising, etc... His problem is that he likes to party. And this is the sort of shit you can get tangled with when you party with shady people all the time. He's fallen into that time old trap of sports athletes thinking they can get by like movie celebrities.
I really wish the NFL was like the NHL in terms of keeping their players on a leash. You don't see as many NHL guys doing shit like this because they know the NHL doesn't tolerate it and will fire their ass. I've always hated how the NFL is composed of 50% convicts.
A lot of they athletes do the "good guy" gestures because to the NFL contracts with the United Way. Reggie Jackson talked a good game, but he was just good at acting like he was a decent human being.
Big Ben is a skeeve. He is a high priced athlete out getting underaged girls SMASHED in college bars.
I wonder if the girl knew who the hell he was. He is not exactly poster boy material.
#9
Dave
Dave
It's not his fault she was not 21. They met in a bar so it's a reasonable assumption that she's of age. In fact, she was the one who should not have been there. That doesn't excuse what may have happened, but he can not be blamed for her age.Big Ben is a skeeve. He is a high priced athlete out getting underaged girls SMASHED in college bars.
#10
The Lovely Boehner
The Lovely Boehner
On the one hand, he hasn't been charged, on the other, it's bad to discount rape allegations as money-grubbing or girls just trying to get famous or girls regretting what they did the night before when they were drunk.
#11
sixpackshaker
sixpackshaker
It is also regrettable when gold diggers yell rape.On the one hand, he hasn't been charged, on the other, it's bad to discount rape allegations as money-grubbing or girls just trying to get famous or girls regretting what they did the night before when they were drunk.
#12
The Lovely Boehner
Yes, especially when terrible people use that to discount actual rapes.
The Lovely Boehner
It is also regrettable when gold diggers yell rape.[/QUOTE]On the one hand, he hasn't been charged, on the other, it's bad to discount rape allegations as money-grubbing or girls just trying to get famous or girls regretting what they did the night before when they were drunk.
Yes, especially when terrible people use that to discount actual rapes.
#13
Dave
Yes, especially when terrible people use that to discount actual rapes.[/QUOTE]
True, which is why we have to be careful not to project either way or muddy our thinking based on our own innate prejudging whether pro- or anti-"victim". And I put victim in quotes merely because sometimes they are not. I would say that number is fairly low but I know of a few instances personally where the girl lied either for money or attention. Again, no proof whether this happened to Ben or if he did something, but we can't assume either way.
Dave
It is also regrettable when gold diggers yell rape.[/QUOTE]On the one hand, he hasn't been charged, on the other, it's bad to discount rape allegations as money-grubbing or girls just trying to get famous or girls regretting what they did the night before when they were drunk.
Yes, especially when terrible people use that to discount actual rapes.[/QUOTE]
True, which is why we have to be careful not to project either way or muddy our thinking based on our own innate prejudging whether pro- or anti-"victim". And I put victim in quotes merely because sometimes they are not. I would say that number is fairly low but I know of a few instances personally where the girl lied either for money or attention. Again, no proof whether this happened to Ben or if he did something, but we can't assume either way.
#14
blotsfan
blotsfan
Well, I think that has a lot more to do with the fact that hockey players generally grew up pretty well off, while football players not so much.I really wish the NFL was like the NHL in terms of keeping their players on a leash. You don't see as many NHL guys doing shit like this because they know the NHL doesn't tolerate it and will fire their ass. I've always hated how the NFL is composed of 50% convicts.
#15
crono1224
Doesn't work for statutory rape, I don't believe, being in a place and doing things that require a certain age. But still the man is 28 still chilling at/and picking up girls at a college bar.
crono1224
It's not his fault she was not 21. They met in a bar so it's a reasonable assumption that she's of age. In fact, she was the one who should not have been there. That doesn't excuse what may have happened, but he can not be blamed for her age.[/QUOTE]Big Ben is a skeeve. He is a high priced athlete out getting underaged girls SMASHED in college bars.
Doesn't work for statutory rape, I don't believe, being in a place and doing things that require a certain age. But still the man is 28 still chilling at/and picking up girls at a college bar.
#16
blotsfan
Doesn't work for statutory rape, I don't believe, being in a place and doing things that require a certain age. But still the man is 28 still chilling at/and picking up girls at a college bar.[/QUOTE]
But what if they've gone through tough situations and are very mature for their age?
blotsfan
It's not his fault she was not 21. They met in a bar so it's a reasonable assumption that she's of age. In fact, she was the one who should not have been there. That doesn't excuse what may have happened, but he can not be blamed for her age.[/QUOTE]Big Ben is a skeeve. He is a high priced athlete out getting underaged girls SMASHED in college bars.
Doesn't work for statutory rape, I don't believe, being in a place and doing things that require a certain age. But still the man is 28 still chilling at/and picking up girls at a college bar.[/QUOTE]
But what if they've gone through tough situations and are very mature for their age?
#17
Null
Null
I don't know enough about the situation to say much about it other than it's disappointing to hear about in general.
#18
D
Dubyamn
Doesn't work for statutory rape, I don't believe, being in a place and doing things that require a certain age. But still the man is 28 still chilling at/and picking up girls at a college bar.[/QUOTE]
But what if they've gone through tough situations and are very mature for their age?[/QUOTE]
I suppose that if they are one of the most mature people you know then it's okay.
But only if you had been their babysitter and known her for years. Picking her up in a bar is still illegal.
D
Dubyamn
It's not his fault she was not 21. They met in a bar so it's a reasonable assumption that she's of age. In fact, she was the one who should not have been there. That doesn't excuse what may have happened, but he can not be blamed for her age.[/QUOTE]Big Ben is a skeeve. He is a high priced athlete out getting underaged girls SMASHED in college bars.
Doesn't work for statutory rape, I don't believe, being in a place and doing things that require a certain age. But still the man is 28 still chilling at/and picking up girls at a college bar.[/QUOTE]
But what if they've gone through tough situations and are very mature for their age?[/QUOTE]
I suppose that if they are one of the most mature people you know then it's okay.
But only if you had been their babysitter and known her for years. Picking her up in a bar is still illegal.
#19
DarkAudit
DarkAudit
Just as Ben was going in to meet with the commissioner, WPXI in Pittsburgh was reporting on a 2nd Vegas incident. That makes for 3 in total... so far.
The general feeling around here is that off the field, Ben is a complete douche. He's even at war with Terry Bradshaw.
It doesn't matter whether he's been charged or not for either the Steelers or the league to act. His pattern of behavior is grounds enough. He has put himself in situations that tend to put the team and the league in a bad light. The Steelers and the NFL are private entities, and Ben is merely an employee of those entities. A very high-profile and well-paid employee, but just an employee. That gives them a lot of leeway to respond, no matter what has or has not happened with the police or prosecutor.
The general feeling around here is that off the field, Ben is a complete douche. He's even at war with Terry Bradshaw.
It doesn't matter whether he's been charged or not for either the Steelers or the league to act. His pattern of behavior is grounds enough. He has put himself in situations that tend to put the team and the league in a bad light. The Steelers and the NFL are private entities, and Ben is merely an employee of those entities. A very high-profile and well-paid employee, but just an employee. That gives them a lot of leeway to respond, no matter what has or has not happened with the police or prosecutor.
#20
Chazwozel
Doesn't work for statutory rape, I don't believe, being in a place and doing things that require a certain age. But still the man is 28 still chilling at/and picking up girls at a college bar.[/QUOTE]
What's wrong with a 28 year old picking up bar skanks (in the sense that she's old enough not the whole sexual assault thing)? This wasn't a case of statutory rape. The girl was 20.
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Ah Christ, well this coupled with losing Holmes will make for a shitty season.
Chazwozel
It's not his fault she was not 21. They met in a bar so it's a reasonable assumption that she's of age. In fact, she was the one who should not have been there. That doesn't excuse what may have happened, but he can not be blamed for her age.[/QUOTE]Big Ben is a skeeve. He is a high priced athlete out getting underaged girls SMASHED in college bars.
Doesn't work for statutory rape, I don't believe, being in a place and doing things that require a certain age. But still the man is 28 still chilling at/and picking up girls at a college bar.[/QUOTE]
What's wrong with a 28 year old picking up bar skanks (in the sense that she's old enough not the whole sexual assault thing)? This wasn't a case of statutory rape. The girl was 20.
---------- Post added at 10:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:19 AM ----------
Just as Ben was going in to meet with the commissioner, WPXI in Pittsburgh was reporting on a 2nd Vegas incident. That makes for 3 in total... so far.
The general feeling around here is that off the field, Ben is a complete douche. He's even at war with Terry Bradshaw.
It doesn't matter whether he's been charged or not for either the Steelers or the league to act. His pattern of behavior is grounds enough. He has put himself in situations that tend to put the team and the league in a bad light. The Steelers and the NFL are private entities, and Ben is merely an employee of those entities. A very high-profile and well-paid employee, but just an employee. That gives them a lot of leeway to respond, no matter what has or has not happened with the police or prosecutor.
Ah Christ, well this coupled with losing Holmes will make for a shitty season.
#21
DarkAudit
DarkAudit
There were rumors amongst Steeler fans on Twitter last night that he might be traded to the Rams. The Rooneys are *that* pissed.
#22
General Specific
General Specific
I don't think they are going to trade a 2-time Superbowl winning QB to anyone save New England.
#23
DarkAudit
DarkAudit
They traded a Super Bowl MVP receiver to the Jets for a 5th round draft pick.I don't think they are going to trade a 2-time Superbowl winning QB to anyone save New England.