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I have to admit, I was more than a little cheesed-off with the early-in-the-season mini-storyline about Mrs Hughes's... condition. I remember being like "What?! Are you f***in' serious?!? Even in GODDAMN DOWNTON ABBEY?!! F*** YOU, MODERN TELEVISION, F*** YOU IN THE NECK!!! AAAAAAGGGGHHH!!!" :mad:

Luckily they didn't continue that storyline.

That was one of the reasons why I tuned out of the show. I wish they'd stop doing that crap.
 
That was one of the reasons why I tuned out of the show. I wish they'd stop doing that crap.
Wait, why is it crap? Cancer was a big scary thing back then, too, probably even scarier than it is today. And it's not like 1 person in a household of dozens getting a cancer scare is unrealistic. Why does it bother you enough to tune out?
 
Wait, why is it crap? Cancer was a big scary thing back then, too, probably even scarier than it is today. And it's not like 1 person in a household of dozens getting a cancer scare is unrealistic. Why does it bother you enough to tune out?

It's not the topic of cancer that was crap. It was how the show's writers had a crisis-of-the-week thing going on. It's a cheap ploy to keep people watching. I really wanted the main plot to keep moving.
 
It's not the topic of cancer that was crap. It was how the show's writers had a crisis-of-the-week thing going on. It's a cheap ploy to keep people watching. I really wanted the main plot to keep moving.
Ah, I see. I guess I can see that, but I've never really found Downton to have a "main plot", at least not just one. Every character is important to me, I guess.
 
Spoilers ahead, watch your step!

Manufactured crisis is the basis of the show.

The cancer subplot is not more or less "crisis" than the blindness subplot, the death-by-sex subplot, the prison subplot, the terrible wife subplot, the miscarriage subplot, etc, etc, etc.

Cancer is serious, though, and I respect that it may seem as though it's treated very lightly by someone who has had cancer or has had a loved one die due to the disease. I'm sure the miscarriage affected those who have had to deal with that personal tragedy in a similar manner.

The show is all about "how do these people react and adapt - or not - to changing society, circumstances, events, and crisis, and how does their reaction help or hurt them in the long run."

The nice valet helps the hated servant, and then that servant gets a position above the nice valet. He didn't mean to help him that much, but that's how the chips fell due to external circumstances he didn't fully comprehend. How does that change their relationship? Does it make the valet less likely to help next time, does he give up on ousting the bad guy? Does the bad guy turn over a new leaf?

That's what's interesting to me. Without crisis, no one would change, and without change, there's no point in watching more than an episode or two because after that you understand everyone's personality, motives, and relationships.
 
Spoilers ahead, watch your step!

Manufactured crisis is the basis of the show.

The cancer subplot is not more or less "crisis" than the blindness subplot, the death-by-sex subplot, the prison subplot, the terrible wife subplot, the miscarriage subplot, etc, etc, etc.

Cancer is serious, though, and I respect that it may seem as though it's treated very lightly by someone who has had cancer or has had a loved one die due to the disease. I'm sure the miscarriage affected those who have had to deal with that personal tragedy in a similar manner.

The show is all about "how do these people react and adapt - or not - to changing society, circumstances, events, and crisis, and how does their reaction help or hurt them in the long run."

The nice valet helps the hated servant, and then that servant gets a position above the nice valet. He didn't mean to help him that much, but that's how the chips fell due to external circumstances he didn't fully comprehend. How does that change their relationship? Does it make the valet less likely to help next time, does he give up on ousting the bad guy? Does the bad guy turn over a new leaf?

That's what's interesting to me. Without crisis, no one would change, and without change, there's no point in watching more than an episode or two because after that you understand everyone's personality, motives, and relationships.
Yeah, I agree with all that. But there's also the part where it's actually REALISTIC (besides the standing up from the wheelchair bit), life, real life, is a series of circumstances and, yes, crises. We've all had moments where we turn and just go "FUCK! Why is everything happening to me?!". It's life. People get cancer, wars go off, freak accidents kill people, people betray people... I really don't see how it's unrealistic, or too "manufactured".
 

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For me it's simply a matter of not wanting to think about my own situation. And let's be honest, a heapin' majority of TV shows treat cancer as a one-way ticket to Deathsville - something that really bums me out. I was angry during those episodes of Downton because I feared they would use it as a cheap-ass way of writing out Mrs Hughes. "Oh, she's got cancer? Don't expect much, she'll have the case of the deaths before mid-season".

Am I being oversensitive? Fuck yeah I am. But that's just the thing that gets me hella angry.
 
Well I'm certainly not going to tell you to feel differently about it. It's been thirteen years since we experienced a miscarriage and we don't have a problem watching them portrayed in shows now, but I'm certain we would have hated it and turned it off anywhere around the time we were going through it ourselves.

We can't watch shows about birth problems close to the delivery of a new baby either. Dr Quinn is right out at the end of a pregnancy...
 
Well I'm certainly not going to tell you to feel differently about it. It's been thirteen years since we experienced a miscarriage and we don't have a problem watching them portrayed in shows now, but I'm certain we would have hated it and turned it off anywhere around the time we were going through it ourselves.

We can't watch shows about birth problems close to the delivery of a new baby either. Dr Quinn is right out at the end of a pregnancy...
So you just' don't watch Dr. Quinn like... ever?
 
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