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Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a Racist Bitch.

#1

Dave

Dave



I've always known she was a hypocritical bitch - teaching people about family values while being estranged from her own, telling people they are "shacking up" after having an affair with a married man and then living with him for 9 years and even telling women they should stay home and take care of their kids while having a nationally syndicated radio show and multiple book tours without her son. But until this I didn't realize she was a racist, too.

Don't know why I should be so surprised. Everyone is a little bit racist, right?


#2

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

I was going to say good for her for apologizing... but then I realized she sounded like a female version of William Shatner.

Boo!


#3

phil

phil

Jesus I was listening to her a bit on a drive home and she was just awful. She tore into this woman for asking for advice about trying to get her ex to help with something ( I don't remember what ) and pried so many details about her and her divorce out of her. Like the caller said she was divorced and dr. Asshole just starts with "why? Why did you quit on your marriage?" and then when she said she had a son dr L starts getting on her about why she had a kid with this guy, basically condemning every life decision the woman had ever made.

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I just listened to the thing. Holy shit what a forced and half hearted apology. Her producers should have just cut her microphone before she got back from commercial.


also, my predictions for this thread.


In about 5 or so posts, someone is going to "play devil's advocate" (ever notice how playing devil's advocate gives someone a free pass to say whatever dumb ass thing comes to mind?) and defend her point about the N word. I've got a few ideas on who this will be, but let's not spoil the surprise. Most others will talk that point down, TLB being the most prominent of course. After two pages this will be locked, I'm guessing by Espy.


#4



Wasabi Poptart

She's a terrible person. I remember hearing about her years ago and have disliked her since.


#5

Krisken

Krisken

I can't believe people listen to this crap. What an utter waste of time.

Oh, and yeah, she's an idiot.


#6

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

You PC police just need to calm down!!!! This is still America, isn't it? Don't we still have freedom of speech????!


#7

Krisken

Krisken

The Lovely Boner said:
You PC police just need to calm down!!!! This is still America, isn't it? Don't we still have freedom of speech????!
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Just because we have the freedom to say stupid and vile things, doesn't mean we should

Oh, and we have the right to call out hateful, spiteful shit just as much as this idiot has to say it.


#8

Dave

Dave

The Lovely Boner said:
You PC police just need to calm down!!!! This is still America, isn't it? Don't we still have freedom of speech????!
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You're right.



Dr. Laura is a Racist who in my opinion also is akin to a Female Dog.


#9



Element 117

The Lovely Boner said:
You PC police just need to calm down!!!! This is still America, isn't it? Don't we still have freedom of speech????!
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i lol'd.


#10

Krisken

Krisken

Damn it, Charlie. You see what you did? I hope you are proud of yourself.

:tsk:


#11

Tinwhistler

Tinwhistler



#12

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

No one should ever use language that can be considered offensive to any one under any circumstance.


#13

Tinwhistler

Tinwhistler

To paraphrase:

Bitch: "N*s are hypocritical. Famous n*'s say n* all the time! N* n* n*. You're being over sensitive, you dumb n*."

Black chick: "Dude! You can't say 'n* n* n*'!

Bitch: "I didn't say it. I said n*'s say it. N* n* n*! What a fun word! N*!"

<off air conversation with her producer>

bitch: "Oh, snap! My bad....n*"


#14

Cajungal

Cajungal

The Lovely Boner said:
You PC police just need to calm down!!!! This is still America, isn't it? Don't we still have freedom of speech????!
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:heh: Oh, Charles.

And yeah. If Dr. Laura could persuade my sweet old grandma to mutter "What a mean old bitch..." then yes, she's a bitch.


#15

General Specific

General Specific

I'm actually more surprised that she still has a radio show.


#16

SpecialKO

SpecialKO



Just in case people don't get it (which, admittedly, is at least somewhat the responsibility of the creator), this video is a spoof of Japanese attitudes towards American media culture. I can only speak from personal experience, but when I was over there for teaching, I knew lots of very nice Japanese folks in their teens and twenties who thought that the word was cool, and was supposed to be used regularly in "hip" conversation.


#17

GasBandit

GasBandit



#18

strawman

strawman

Wait, someone please use logic to explain this to me:

* You ARE racist if you believe everyone can use this word regardless of skin color
* You are NOT racist as long as you believe that only one race is allowed to use this word

:wtf:

-Adam


#19

GasBandit

GasBandit

First Lady Puffinstuff said:
Wait, someone please use logic to explain this to me:

* You ARE racist if you believe everyone can use this word regardless of skin color
* You are NOT racist as long as you believe that only one race is allowed to use this word

:wtf:

-Adam
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You forget the first rule of racism - only white people can be racist.



#20

Krisken

Krisken

Awww, poor little white victim.

Honestly, I don't understand why people have such trouble with this. You use language which is meant to demean someone based on their racial background, and yes, you'll be called on it.

If the caller had called Dr. Laura an ignorant cracker, that would have been racist too.


#21

GasBandit

GasBandit

Krisken said:
Awww, poor little white victim.
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Exactly, see? Only white people can be racists. It's not about equality, it's about vengeance.

And let's not kid ourselves that context has any meaning whatsoever. Anytime a white person identifies a black person's race by ANY WORD THAT EXISTS, it's inherently racist.


#22

Troll

Troll

Schlessinger is a racist idiot. People who agree with her on this are idiots too.

Case closed.


#23

Krisken

Krisken

GasBandit;427277][QUOTE=Krisken said:
Awww, poor little white victim.
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Exactly, see? Only white people can be racists. It's not about equality, it's about vengeance.

And let's not kid ourselves that context has any meaning whatsoever. Anytime a white person identifies a black person's race by ANY WORD THAT EXISTS, it's inherently racist.[/QUOTE]
No, that isn't what I was saying. Thanks though for ignoring what I wrote after and still acting like a victim.


#24

Covar

Covar

Krisken said:
Awww, poor little white victim.

Honestly, I don't understand why people have such trouble with this. You use language which is meant to demean someone based on their racial background, and yes, you'll be called on it.

If the caller had called Dr. Laura an ignorant cracker, that would have been racist too.
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And you would be saying she needs to stop pretending she's some big victim. If people even bothered to post about it at all.


#25



Chazwozel

GasBandit;427271][QUOTE=First Lady Puffinstuff said:
Wait, someone please use logic to explain this to me:

* You ARE racist if you believe everyone can use this word regardless of skin color
* You are NOT racist as long as you believe that only one race is allowed to use this word

:wtf:

-Adam
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You forget the first rule of racism - only white people can be racist.

[/QUOTE]

Sigh...

It's not about...

ugh.... I don't even want to bother. All I have to say is that racism by definition is prejudice with power. It's about using your power over a dominated person to promote your prejudice agenda. Who's got all the power? White people. This is why white people are predominantly looked at as racist. Can black people be racist? Of course, but unless their prejudice can be expressed as a form of power over a white person (in most cases it never is), then it's not racism.

This is why it helps to be scholarly about these sort of issues and not a dipshit like Dr. Laura who knows nothing about dominant and dominated cultures and their interactions.


#26

GasBandit

GasBandit

Chazwozel, as is so often the case, is incorrect. You don't have to be in power to be racist. Racism, by definition, is simply the belief in delineating people merely by ethnicity. For example, what Krisken said. By Chaz's definition, calling her a "cracker" would not be racist because white people are in power.


#27

Espy

Espy

Interesting thread so far... I think Chaz hits on some really important points about dominant cultures, etc, that clearly she doesn't get.

As for people in general liking her or not liking her, well, according to my wife, a MFT, she says Dr. L. uses a particular style of therapy (I can't remember the technical term, I think it's something like confrontational but more clinical than that...) that does tend to push a lot of people away but can actually be very helpful for others. Of course it's weird to me for anyone to try and do any sort of "therapy" on the radio in a few minutes so... whatever.


#28



Chazwozel

GasBandit said:
Chazwozel, as is so often the case, is incorrect. You don't have to be in power to be racist. Racism, by definition, is simply the belief in delineating people merely by ethnicity. For example, what Krisken said. By Chaz's definition, calling her a "cracker" would not be racist because white people are in power.
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Chaz, as is so often the case, gives you academically correct information that most scholars agree with, which of course counters GasBandit's typical blue-collar slob, pundit based bullshit. But hey, I just studied the history of 18th century colonization and civil rights in undergrad. It's not like I know what I'm actually talking about or anything. How on Earth can I compete with Denis "the biggest white victim on Earth" Leary's comedy skits.

I think you get most of your knowledge and insights from drunks at a bar.

Here, go fucking educate your ignorant ass for a change:

Wellman, David T. (1993). Portraits of White Racism. New York, NY: Cambridge University Press.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Feagin, Joe R. Racist America: Roots, Current Policies, and Future Reparations. New York: Routledge, 2000.

And btw you're right. A black person calling someone a cracker doesn't have the same effect as a white person calling someone a ******, does it? Hmm, why is that? Because the white person is still part of the dominant culture. 'Cracker' in- no way -has the same impact that '******' does.
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#29

Espy

Espy

Right or wrong you guys keep it at least somewhat civil. We don't need a replay of the president thread yesterday.


#30

GasBandit

GasBandit

Chazwozel;427291][QUOTE=GasBandit said:
Chazwozel, as is so often the case, is incorrect. You don't have to be in power to be racist. Racism, by definition, is simply the belief in delineating people merely by ethnicity. For example, what Krisken said. By Chaz's definition, calling her a "cracker" would not be racist because white people are in power.
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Chaz, as is so often the case, gives you academically correct information that most scholars agree with, which of course counters GasBandit's typical blue-collar slob, pundit based bullshit. But hey, I just studied the history of 18th century colonization and civil rights in undergrad. It's not like I know what I'm actually talking about or anything. How on Earth can I compete with Denis "the biggest white victim on Earth" Leary's comedy skits.

I think you get most of your knowledge and insights from drunks at a bar.[/QUOTE]

Drunks in a bar > chazwozel's overeducated, underskilled, overcompensating colon.

So what you're saying is, by way of asserting academic correctness without academic backup (not to mention the Arguing from Authority fallacy), that you agree that a black person calling a white person a cracker is NOT racist because the black person isn't "in power?"


#31



Chazwozel

GasBandit;427293][QUOTE=Chazwozel;427291][QUOTE=GasBandit said:
Chazwozel, as is so often the case, is incorrect. You don't have to be in power to be racist. Racism, by definition, is simply the belief in delineating people merely by ethnicity. For example, what Krisken said. By Chaz's definition, calling her a "cracker" would not be racist because white people are in power.
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Chaz, as is so often the case, gives you academically correct information that most scholars agree with, which of course counters GasBandit's typical blue-collar slob, pundit based bullshit. But hey, I just studied the history of 18th century colonization and civil rights in undergrad. It's not like I know what I'm actually talking about or anything. How on Earth can I compete with Denis "the biggest white victim on Earth" Leary's comedy skits.

I think you get most of your knowledge and insights from drunks at a bar.[/QUOTE]

Drunks in a bar > chazwozel's overeducated, underskilled, overcompensating colon.

So what you're saying is, by way of asserting academic correctness without academic backup (not to mention the Arguing from Authority fallacy), that you agree that a black person calling a white person a cracker is NOT racist because the black person isn't "in power?"[/QUOTE]

Wellman, David T. (1993). Portraits of White Racism. New York, NY: Cambridge University Press.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Feagin, Joe R. Racist America: Roots, Current Policies, and Future Reparations. New York: Routledge, 2000.

And btw you're right. A black person calling someone a cracker doesn't have the same effect as a white person calling someone a ******, does it? Hmm, why is that? Because the white person is still part of the dominant culture. 'Cracker' in- no way -has the same impact that '******' does.

Now shut the hell up.
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#32

GasBandit

GasBandit

Chaz, you really need to learn to reply instead of edit. You're failing at the internet.

Plus, look at the title: "WHITE RACISM." White racism. That's a subset, a qualifier on racism. Unless you're saying all racism is white racism.

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Chazwozel said:
Now shut the hell up.[/FONT]
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LOL. Are you so afraid of having your stupidity paraded before all to see that you have to Internet Tough Guy your way to somehow browbeating me into submission? Has that EVER worked with ANYBODY?


#33



Chazwozel

GasBandit said:
Chaz, you really need to learn to reply instead of edit. You're failing at the internet.

Plus, look at the title: "WHITE RACISM." White racism. That's a subset, a qualifier on racism. Unless you're saying all racism is white racism.

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Chazwozel said:
Now shut the hell up.[/FONT]
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LOL. Are you so afraid of having your stupidity paraded before all to see that you have to Internet Tough Guy your way to somehow browbeating me into submission? Has that EVER worked with ANYBODY?
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LoL, and I have the big ego? I'm hardly afraid of a hobbit with a Rush Limbaugh complex.

Yeah, that was an ad hominem attack because my mama always told me not to argue with a dipshit. Come back with something that you didn't overhear while chugging down dollar beers on jukebox night to prove your point instead of bullshit from Denis Leary.


#34



Chibibar

I read most of the comment here and heard the audio.

My question is that if the N word is so bad, why is it alright for one race to say it and not the other? if it is bad, then no one should say it.


#35

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

I'mma go get tha Hammer and locks... just in case...


#36

GasBandit

GasBandit

Chazwozel said:
LoL, and I have the big ego? I'm hardly afraid of a hobbit with a Rush Limbaugh complex.

Yeah, that was an ad hominem attack because my mama always told me not to argue with a dipshit.
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That's ok, you can ad hominem and such all you like now, you already lost the argument when you admitted that you don't consider a black person calling a white person a cracker to be racist. Thanks, we have some lovely parting gifts for you, but unfortunately, a clue is not among them ;)


#37

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

Ugh, Chaz you are making good points, but you could just leave off the insults.


#38

phil

phil

North_Ranger said:
I'mma go get tha Hammer and locks...
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no! espy's gotta do it and not for another couple posts. I'm so close!


#39



Chazwozel

Chibibar said:
I read most of the comment here and heard the audio.

My question is that if the N word is so bad, why is it alright for one race to say it and not the other? if it is bad, then no one should say it.
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http://commonplace.vanderbilt.edu/visions/artifacts/add-5.pdf


#40

GasBandit

GasBandit

The Lovely Boner said:
Ugh, Chaz you are making good points, but you could just leave off the insults.
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"Aw, you're no fun any more." - Eric Idle


#41



Chazwozel

GasBandit;427302][QUOTE=Chazwozel said:
LoL, and I have the big ego? I'm hardly afraid of a hobbit with a Rush Limbaugh complex.

Yeah, that was an ad hominem attack because my mama always told me not to argue with a dipshit.
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That's ok, you can ad hominem and such all you like now, you already lost the argument when you admitted that you don't consider a black person calling a white person a cracker to be racist. Thanks, we have some lovely parting gifts for you, but unfortunately, a clue is not among them ;)[/QUOTE]

It's prejudice, but it's not racist. That black person is most likely able to commit acts of racism against white people, but in no way does 'cracker' have the same impact or meaning as 'n------'.

Again you're assuming that the white race is somehow victimized due to the use of the word cracker. It's not.


#42



Chazwozel

I just like how Gas is a huge tool in the sense that he thinks he's a victimized white man. That's along the same logic of thought as the Ku Klux Klan, don't cha know.


#43

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

I only really care about racism/sexism/et al when it hurts other people. If a gay person wants to rant about breeders being scum of the earth, that's terrible and small-minded of them, but I don't really care. They're not going to somehow stop a straight person to whatever the fuck they want on the earth. But racism against black people has done/will do so much damage. And I think this ignorant shit by Laura causes damage.


#44

GasBandit

GasBandit

Chazwozel said:
It's prejudice, but it's not racist. That black person is most likely able to commit acts of racism against white people, but in no way does 'cracker' have the same impact or meaning as 'n------'.

Again you're assuming that the white race is somehow victimized due to the use of the word cracker. It's not.
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Relative impact is not the issue. The classification of "racism" is what is at debate. I also assert that there does not have to be victimization for there to be racism. A black man assuming all mexicans to be catholic would be racist, but would be difficult to use in a way that makes the mexican "victimized." The joke often made by americans that the british are terrible cooks is racist, even though the two entities in question are both majority white. The oft-made assertion that "white men can't jump" is also racist. As is the dreaded "N word."

The word "racist" is like the word "weapon." They come in different sizes and shapes, and they come in different potencies and levels of harmfulness, but a knife, a taser, a pistol, a nuclear warhead, and a broken-off tree branch are all weapons.


#45



Chazwozel

The Lovely Boner said:
I only really care about racism/sexism/et al when it hurts other people. If a gay person wants to rant about breeders being scum of the earth, that's terrible and small-minded of them, but I don't really care. They're not going to somehow stop a straight person to whatever the fuck they want on the earth. But racism against black people has done/will do so much damage. And I think this ignorant shit by Laura causes damage.
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I agree. It does. And it does so in the worst way. Notice how she starts using scientific jargon to justify her racist stance? "Melatonin in the skin...allows one to say a word." That has nothing to do with the issue and she knows it. It's just a way for her to sound smart and 'logical' while spewing her rant. Of course there are bar drunks that are going to eat this shit up 1) because it's on the Radio/TV, and 2) because they're not educated enough to research the entirety of the situation. They're not going to go out a read literature on racism in America and understand why it's wrong to say the N- word. They're going to take her half-baked logic to heart, and that's where (as you say) the damage can really set in.


#46

GasBandit

GasBandit

Chazwozel said:
I just like how Gas is a huge tool in the sense that he thinks he's a victimized white man. That's along the same logic of thought as the Ku Klux Klan, don't cha know.
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I've never claimed to have been victimized. I'm speaking purely from an objective viewpoint with no regard to race, sex, creed or color. Something most people who are quick to shout "racist!" cannot attain.

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Also that PDF refuses to download for some reason.


#47



Chazwozel

GasBandit;427313][QUOTE=Chazwozel said:
It's prejudice, but it's not racist. That black person is most likely able to commit acts of racism against white people, but in no way does 'cracker' have the same impact or meaning as 'n------'.

Again you're assuming that the white race is somehow victimized due to the use of the word cracker. It's not.
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Relative impact is not the issue. The classification of "racism" is what is at debate. I also assert that there does not have to be victimization for there to be racism. A black man assuming all mexicans to be catholic would be racist, but would be difficult to use in a way that makes the mexican "victimized." The joke often made by americans that the british are terrible cooks is racist, even though the two entities in question are both majority white. The oft-made assertion that "white men can't jump" is also racist. As is the dreaded "N word."

The word "racist" is like the word "weapon." They come in different sizes and shapes, and they come in different potencies and levels of harmfulness, but a knife, a taser, a pistol, a nuclear warhead, and a broken-off tree branch are all weapons.[/QUOTE]


The word racism and it's definition is rooted in the belief that one race is superior (dominant) to anything and to promote that domination. N- is a dominating word. It assumes submission of a dominated race. This is why a black person will kick your teeth in if you're white and you call them a ******.

It is not racist to say that "all Mexicans are Catholic". That's the definition of a stereotype (which can lead to prejudice notions and subsequent racism). It is racist to, say, deny someone a job because they are Mexican.


#48

GasBandit

GasBandit

Chazwozel said:
The word racism and it's definition is rooted in the belief that one race is superior (dominant) to anything and to promote that domination. N- is a dominating word. It assumes submission of a dominated race. This is why a black person will kick your teeth in if you're white and you call them a ******.
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And you believe that racial epithets aimed at white people are not meant to intimidate and dominate them?

It is not racist to say that "all Mexicans are Catholic".
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Heh, some mexican people here in this very building disagree with you - the ones broadcasting our mexican format radio station. Let me put it this way... if you stood downtown in the outdoor mercado down here and shouted "ALL MEXICANS ARE CATHOLICS!" you'd be called a racist very quickly, now wouldn't you? But then again, you ARE white...

It is racist to, say, deny someone a job because they are Mexican.
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It's also racist, and just as illegal, to deny someone a job because they are white. EEO is not racist. Affirmative Action, however, is. But to you, it isn't, because it's racism in favor of a perceived downtrodden minority.


#49

Espy

Espy

I just got done listening to it and honestly, that apology sounded very good (and right) It didn't sound fake at all.

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phil;427304][QUOTE=North_Ranger said:
I'mma go get tha Hammer and locks...
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no! espy's gotta do it and not for another couple posts. I'm so close![/QUOTE]

DUDE. Are you guys betting on who is gonna lock threads?




Cuz.... if you cut me in I could *really* help you out if you know what I mean...:whistling:


#50

phil

phil

Espy said:
I just got done listening to it and honestly, that apology sounded very good (and right) It didn't sound fake at all.
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I can almost hear her making an air jerking motion.

phil;427304][QUOTE=North_Ranger said:
I'mma go get tha Hammer and locks...
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no! espy's gotta do it and not for another couple posts. I'm so close!
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DUDE. Are you guys betting on who is gonna lock threads?




Cuz.... if you cut me in I could *really* help you out if you know what I mean...:whistling:[/QUOTE]


It's gotta be on this page and I'll be 2 for 3 in my prediction.


#51

Cajungal

Cajungal

I gotta admit, it didn't sound genuine to me... but at least it seems like someone tried to correct her.


#52

Espy

Espy

phil said:
It's gotta be on this page and I'll be 2 for 3 in my prediction.
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I'm just saying, I need some incentive here man... whats in it for me?

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Cajungal said:
I gotta admit, it didn't sound genuine to me... but at least it seems like someone tried to correct her.
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Well, I can't speak for anyone else, I don't listen to her so I don't really know what she "should" sound like, it just sounded real to me, like someone who realized they really made a mistake.


#53

phil

phil

I can make it rain halbucks on ya man. Maybe get you that cartman thing in the shop. You are the law, after all. (along with OC)


#54

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Espy;427351][QUOTE=phil said:
Well, I can't speak for anyone else, I don't listen to her so I don't really know what she "should" sound like, it just sounded real to me, like someone who realized they really made a mistake.
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The only time I heard any bit of genuine inflection was the very final "It was wrong". Otherwise it felt like she was reading off a faulty teleprompter the words as written by the producer doing damage control.


#55

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

phil said:
I can make it rain halbucks on ya man. Maybe get you that cartman thing in the shop. You are the law, after all. (along with OC)
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What am I then, punk? Chopped liver, huh? Is that what you's sayin'?

[/jive]


#56

phil

phil

North_Ranger;427359][QUOTE=phil said:
I can make it rain halbucks on ya man. Maybe get you that cartman thing in the shop. You are the law, after all. (along with OC)
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What am I then, punk? Chopped liver, huh? Is that what you's sayin'?

[/jive][/QUOTE]

Espy was the safe bet.

You haven't been around as much, I don't see cajun much in the politics forum, and Gusto is useless ( <3 )


#57

Cajungal

Cajungal

I'm keeping an eye out, I just generally don't post in these. I always just post something that's either redundant or noncommittal.


#58

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Gas is lawyering, ignoring context, what else is new?

I'm not surprised Chaz's first instinct was to question any point in getting in a discussion about it.


#59

GasBandit

GasBandit

escushion said:
Gas is lawyering.
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#60

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Loitering too.


#61

strawman

strawman

I'm still wondering why people (particularly Dave) are calling her racist merely due to the use of that word. She may well be racist, I have no idea, but from the evidence I still don't quite see it.

Racism:

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
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At best the clip appears to demonstrate ignorance, but does mere use of the word prove "hatred or intolerance"?

Even the document Chaz links to points out the inherent racism in the belief that it's ok for some to use this word, but not ok for others to use it.

Oh well. I suppose the answer is simply:



-Adam


#62

GasBandit

GasBandit

escushion said:
Loitering too.
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It's a fair cop.


edit - and bingegamer has a very funny and apropos anti-hotlinking image.


#63

Dave

Dave

First Lady Puffinstuff said:
I'm still wondering why people (particularly Dave) are calling her racist merely due to the use of that word. She may well be racist, I have no idea, but from the evidence I still don't quite see it.

Racism:

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
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At best the clip appears to demonstrate ignorance, but does mere use of the word prove "hatred or intolerance"?

Even the document Chaz links to points out the inherent racism in the belief that it's ok for some to use this word, but not ok for others to use it.

Oh well. I suppose the answer is simply:



-Adam
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I'll tell you exactly why I am saying she is racist.

A black woman called her show wanting help on how to deal with a situation involving a racist neighbor whom her husband refused to deal with. Instead of listening to the woman, she immediately discounted what she said and told her she was being overly sensitive and should get a sense of humor. She finished with the notion that you either needed to get a sense of humor or you should only marry those from within your own race. She did NOTHING to help the woman out but instead harangued her and then made statements dropping the n-bomb several times, then she cut the woman off because the woman was offended by Laura's use of the word. She's racist because she refused to even see that there might be another side to the story besides the black lady being overly sensitive.

And she's a bitch because she's a hypocritical whore who shacked up with a married man for 9 years, was not a stay at home mother and was estranged from her whole family. She doesn't even have a degree in psychology or psychoanalysis - it's in physiology. It would be like me getting my doctorate in management and starting a radio show called Dr. Dave.


#64

Dave

Dave

Oh, and she also said that homosexuality was a deviant behavior and that homosexuals were a "biological error".

But she's not a bigot and she states "My bodyguard and my dear friend is a black man."

Oh, and, "Don't NAACP me!" WTF does that mean?


#65

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

It's okay, she has a black friend.

Like lots of racists.


#66

strawman

strawman

Dave said:
Oh, and she also said that homosexuality was a deviant behavior and that homosexuals were a "biological error".

But she's not a bigot and she states "My bodyguard and my dear friend is a black man."

Oh, and, "Don't NAACP me!" WTF does that mean?
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She's in show business precisely because of her divisive and inflammatory views. She identifies the caller's weak spot, and attacks it. It's her schtick. That's what she does, and this is how she does it.

The woman called and gave her the weak spot right off the bat, and she used it against the woman. If you call in, she's going to try to find leverage against you, and get you all worked up. She's a mini Jerry Springer for talk radio.

I don't recall the part you indicate, "you should only marry those from within your own race." - I was really only focusing on the word, so perhaps the rest of her rant lends credibility to the accusation that she is racist. Sorry, it seemed to be the focus of most of the discussion here, and the focus of her forced apology (which I got a laugh out of - It's not wrong because it's wrong, it's wrong because it hurt so many people's feelings. lol. It was the ultimate, "I'm not sorry for what I said, and I'm not sorry that it hurt your feelings. I'm only sorry that you are so sensitive.")

-Adam


#67

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

I do get a bit tired of hearing news casters and other media personalities saying "n-word" I mean the euphemism not the objectionable word. If you mean the same thing, say it. Pussyfooting around is not any less objectionable.

I feel she was making a decent point about that word (I think it is censored here anyway.) That black comedians say it too much. But she was completely tactless about it.


#68

Troll

Troll

sixpackshaker said:
I feel she was making a decent point about that word (I think it is censored here anyway.) That black comedians say it too much. But she was completely tactless about it.
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I agree, and that is a good point. One of the things that angered me about that exchange is that the caller acknowledged that black celebrities use it too much and that it shouldn't be thrown around, but "Dr." Laura kept going on with it anyway.


#69

tegid

tegid

Chibibar said:
I read most of the comment here and heard the audio.

My question is that if the N word is so bad, why is it alright for one race to say it and not the other? if it is bad, then no one should say it.
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Words are NEVER inherently good or bad. What's bad is the meaning they carry, and while '******' said by a white person will carry a demeaning connotation, because that's how it's percieved by most people (without necessary intention from the speaker!), when a black person says that you don't interpret it as a despective word because, well, in some cases it is absurd.

Also, as to the whole discussion of what should be called racism and what shouldn't, I have 2 things to say.


  1. While a black person calling a white 'cracker' may be racist (by GB's definition, which seems fine to me), it's not as bad because it does not carry the same consequences. In theory, as an isolated thing it may be equally bad, but the fact is that it doesn't have the same social impact, and does not carry the same meaning because blacks generally don't have the power to dominate whites. Someone saying ****** on the radio and someone saying cracker on the same context don't have the same impact and carry the same weigh because of social conditions. Now, for instance, a white person being called things such as 'cracked' in a black neighborhood? That's much worse than saying it in some other context, because now it is used as means to assert some dominance.
  2. Thinking all Mexicans are catholics may be racist because it lumps together and stereotypes a whole race, but in any case it IS a very different kind of racism because it is not necessarily demeaning, nor does it imply that the other race is intrinsically worse than yours.


#70



Chazwozel

People with Gas' perspective suffer from what I like to call white victim syndrome. When they see minorities -traditionally dominated groups- gain any sort of power, they freak out and scream injustice. Hence, the resentment over much needed and important programs like affirmative action, which as I mentioned before, is a policy that demands every company never hire (or not hire) individuals based on creed, race, color, etc... But please, by all means continue pulling the wool over your eyes in thinking that any minority group in the U.S. has huge advantages to the dominant Eurocentric culture. Sorry to break it to you but racism is still predominantly a white transferring oppression to a minority thing as long as white people have the power to exert over minorities (here's a hint: they do).

You can read more about dominant vs dominated vs immigrant cultures from anthropologist's John Ogbu's work. Google it. Also, a good book on the topic is Prejudice and Racism by James Jones. I still think it's funny that I can find tons of literature that explains and agrees with essentially everything I'm saying, while Gas is still at the barstool quoting Denis Leary. You got some Glenn Beck for us next ol' Buddy? Possibly some other pundit that dumbs down complex issues into nice black and white tidbits (sorry for the pun) so that morons can feel like there's a minority uprising?

DER TAKIN' OUR JEERRRRBBSSS!!!!!!


#71

Frank

Frankie Williamson

I'm actually curious to hear where Denis Leary was bitching about minorities and racism and such.


#72



Chazwozel

Frank said:
I'm actually curious to hear where Denis Leary was bitching about minorities and racism and such.
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The video clip from "Rescue Me" that Gas posted. That show is based of Leary's comedy.


#73

Krisken

Krisken

The only reason Dennis Leary has a career is because there is no cure for cancer.



#74

Norris

Norris

Chibibar said:
I read most of the comment here and heard the audio.

My question is that if the N word is so bad, why is it alright for one race to say it and not the other? if it is bad, then no one should say it.
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Context. Calling someone a "mother fucker" is generally a not nice thing, but just the other night I told some friends I hadn't seen in a while "Man, I didn't realize how much I missed you mother fuckers", and they didn't get offended. In the context of ME, saying it in that sentence, expressing that thought, to them, it was meant and understood as a sign of affection. If I used the word similarly to a total stranger they would likely get offended and I've had at least one friend who didn't appreciate swearing in ANY context.

Same with the N-word. There are plenty of black folks who would get pissed if ANYONE, regardless of race, used the N-word in conversationally even if it wasn't directed at them and I am sure that there is some white kid growing up in a predominantly black area who is able to use the word with his friends and have it used on him. But that isn't the majority. The "******" word is like the word "****". It is a word that you have to really know your audience to use freely.

EDIT: That's the N-word and C-Word, respectively. It makes my point all the better to have them both starred out, not by me, but my the swear filter. The one that allows you to say "Mother fucking, dick sucking, pussy eating, shit eating, goddamned mick*".

*it's ok, I'm of Irish decent. :p


#75



Philosopher B.

Lol, loved 'the apology'. The tone was so hilariously stilted, it sounded like it was read out by a text-to-speech program.

"And yesterday ... I ... did the wrong thing."


#76

phil

phil

Exactly. Like it's so amazing to her that she could have done something wrong. Christ what an asshole.

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And the worst part is she won't get taken off the air. That don imus guy says something which I found way less offensive (though still a poor choice of words) and he's at least gone for a while. Dr ****bag says the N word over and over and nothing.


#77

GasBandit

GasBandit

Chazwozel said:
People with Gas' perspective suffer from what I like to call white victim syndrome. When they see minorities -traditionally dominated groups- gain any sort of power, they freak out and scream injustice. Hence, the resentment over much needed and important programs like affirmative action, which as I mentioned before, is a policy that demands every company never hire (or not hire) individuals based on creed, race, color, etc... But please, by all means continue pulling the wool over your eyes in thinking that any minority group in the U.S. has huge advantages to the dominant Eurocentric culture. Sorry to break it to you but racism is still predominantly a white transferring oppression to a minority thing as long as white people have the power to exert over minorities (here's a hint: they do).

You can read more about dominant vs dominated vs immigrant cultures from anthropologist's John Ogbu's work. Google it. Also, a good book on the topic is Prejudice and Racism by James Jones. I still think it's funny that I can find tons of literature that explains and agrees with essentially everything I'm saying, while Gas is still at the barstool quoting Denis Leary. You got some Glenn Beck for us next ol' Buddy? Possibly some other pundit that dumbs down complex issues into nice black and white tidbits (sorry for the pun) so that morons can feel like there's a minority uprising?

DER TAKIN' OUR JEERRRRBBSSS!!!!!!
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That's a very long way to reiterate your complete mischaracterization of my opinion, while also just as verbosely reiterating your opinion that only white people can be racist.


#78

Krisken

Krisken

GasBandit;428133][QUOTE=Chazwozel said:
People with Gas' perspective suffer from what I like to call white victim syndrome. When they see minorities -traditionally dominated groups- gain any sort of power, they freak out and scream injustice. Hence, the resentment over much needed and important programs like affirmative action, which as I mentioned before, is a policy that demands every company never hire (or not hire) individuals based on creed, race, color, etc... But please, by all means continue pulling the wool over your eyes in thinking that any minority group in the U.S. has huge advantages to the dominant Eurocentric culture. Sorry to break it to you but racism is still predominantly a white transferring oppression to a minority thing as long as white people have the power to exert over minorities (here's a hint: they do).

You can read more about dominant vs dominated vs immigrant cultures from anthropologist's John Ogbu's work. Google it. Also, a good book on the topic is Prejudice and Racism by James Jones. I still think it's funny that I can find tons of literature that explains and agrees with essentially everything I'm saying, while Gas is still at the barstool quoting Denis Leary. You got some Glenn Beck for us next ol' Buddy? Possibly some other pundit that dumbs down complex issues into nice black and white tidbits (sorry for the pun) so that morons can feel like there's a minority uprising?

DER TAKIN' OUR JEERRRRBBSSS!!!!!!
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There ya go buddy. I hope that helps clarify your position.


#79

GasBandit

GasBandit

Krisken said:
There ya go buddy. I hope that helps clarify your position.
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Goodness! Editing quotes to comic effect! Surely I have never seen such a novel and witty debate method used on this board ever before in its history, nor the board before it, or the one before it, or the one before it! Let me join in on this levity!

Krisken said:
I like to strangle hamsters using only my buttocks.
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Oh ra-THER! How Droll!


#80

Krisken

Krisken

GasBandit;428144][QUOTE=Krisken said:
There ya go buddy. I hope that helps clarify your position.
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Goodness! Editing quotes to comic effect! Surely I have never seen such a novel and witty debate method used on this board ever before in its history, nor the board before it, or the one before it, or the one before it! Let me join in on this levity!

Krisken said:
I like to strangle hamsters using only my buttocks.
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Oh ra-THER! How Droll![/QUOTE]
Please Gas, no projecting.

Though I must say it is rather brave of you to admit to it, even if you have to do the "My friend does X" tactic of telling it. Be proud!


#81



crono1224

I going to go ahead and state the tone in what she was saying and the fact she needed to hear 2 different examples was a bit strange. The first example of a guy asking if that's what black people do is really just weird/ignorant, that would be like someone asking me what white people do how the hell would I know what all white people do?

For the word, it is a stupid word and it is even stupider that only white people can be racist. I am sorry but if you went to a school with predominate black population and they refused to let you play basketball either on the team or say at recess cause you are white, that is racist, and that discriminates against you. So screw that whole position of power, I have no power but if I say the word it is racist, but if a black boss of mine says don't let this cracker do anything, it isn't?

It would be the same as if say Oprah refused to hirer/promote any non black people it would be racist and would have position of power effects.

The whole thing is silly, if a word carries such huge pain stop using it.


#82

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Amorous Eyes said:
She's quitting:
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But where will my grandma get her dose of auditory hatred?

Oh right, there's a ton of conservative radio shows.


#83

Krisken

Krisken

Wow, way to play the victim.

Say what you want, dink. Don't be surprised if people think you're a fucktard though.


#84



Disconnected

but... he is a victim... of the socialist liberal obamaramallama gay agenda!

as for the n-word. context is key. but that door has many many locks on it. so fuck y'all *******.


#85

Norris

Norris

Amorous Eyes said:
She's quitting:
Dr. Laura Ending Her Radio Show to "Regain First Amendment Rights" - E! Online

"The reason is I want to regain my First Amendment rights. I want to be able to say what's on my mind and in my heart and what I think is helpful and useful without somebody getting angry, some special interest group deciding this is the time to silence a voice of dissent and attack affiliates, attack sponsors. I'm sort of done with that."
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Maybe you should stop saying stupid shit and people wouldn't get so angry.
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Why is it that often when someone gets called on racist or otherwise stupid shit they've said, they immediately claim that the people telling them to shut up are infringing on their rights? Freedom of speech doesn't mean people have to like, agree with, listen to, or not criticize what you say. In fact, their right to free speech and freedom of assembly means they can criticize and protest your ass all they like. This is high school civics shit right here.


#86

phil

phil

I bet she'll be on FOX news soon. I bet she got an offer not 5 minutes after her first N-bomb.


#87

Troll

Troll

phil said:
I bet she'll be on FOX news soon. I bet she got an offer not 5 minutes after her first N-bomb.
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She'll fit right in.


#88

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Norris said:
This is high school civics shit right here.
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She was probably going to a New York City public high school in the 60s. Wasn't exactly a good learning environment at the time (and in many ways, still isn't).


#89

Dave

Dave

I came to say I'll bet she goes on Fox News soon, too. Seriously, she's stating that she wants to be able to go somewhere that she can express her views without being attacked. That sounds EXACTLY like Fox News, doesn't it?


#90

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Dave said:
I came to say I'll bet she goes on Fox News soon, too. Seriously, she's stating that she wants to be able to go somewhere that she can express her views without being attacked. That sounds EXACTLY like Fox News, doesn't it?
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Only if she plays softball for the right. If you express anything besides the talking points from Murdock, you'll slammed repeatedly.


#91

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

sixpackshaker;428879][QUOTE=Dave said:
I came to say I'll bet she goes on Fox News soon, too. Seriously, she's stating that she wants to be able to go somewhere that she can express her views without being attacked. That sounds EXACTLY like Fox News, doesn't it?
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Only if she plays softball for the right. If you express anything besides the talking points from Murdock, you'll slammed repeatedly.[/QUOTE]

Murdock himself has stated that he hates Fox News. He only keeps it on the air because it's making him so much god damn money... and really, that's all it comes down to, isn't it?


#92

Dave

Dave

I just love the fact that HER right to free speech has been curtailed by her QUITTING (not fired) yet those critical of her should have to shut up. Anyone else see the irony in her stance here?


#93



crono1224

Did she fully quit or was it more of if you don't quit we will fire you so why not leave on 'decent' terms? Though I think when you make remarks that are so obviously going to be taken poorly especially with the use of that word. If she wouldn't have used the word and was still as, I guess, ignorant in that advice segment she probably wouldn't be quiting and have as much critical comments towards her.


#94

Krisken

Krisken

Not sure it matters, Crono. The company doesn't have to give her a public forum to say things they don't agree with or may hurt their image.


#95

Dave

Dave

It's radio - if it was the company forcing her out they would have done so instead of letting her finish out the year.


#96

Krisken

Krisken

We should ask Gas. This is something he's actually an expert in!


#97

Norris

Norris

SpecialKO;428859][QUOTE=Norris said:
This is high school civics shit right here.
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She was probably going to a New York City public high school in the 60s. Wasn't exactly a good learning environment at the time (and in many ways, still isn't).[/QUOTE]

Fair enough, but then again bitch is 63 years old. She could have picked it up anywhere between 1965 (roughly when she would have graduated) and 2010. It amazes me how little people bother to know about their rights.

Dave said:
I just love the fact that HER right to free speech has been curtailed by her QUITTING (not fired) yet those critical of her should have to shut up. Anyone else see the irony in her stance here?
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That's always the way it goes, everywhere. If you criticize someone who is a political asshole, they'll claim you're infringing on their rights. Typically you see it on the web, but it is no less stupid out in the real world.

Krisken said:
Not sure it matters, Crono. The company doesn't have to give her a public forum to say things they don't agree with or may hurt their image.
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Yeah, free speech comes with no guarantee of platform...which thousands of internet tough guys fail to realize.


#98



crono1224

He may give us a crappy answer just to keep up his image. Agreed, though I still think that her using the word was probably the straw that broke the back, before that it was just her being an ass by calling someone over sensitive.


#99

phil

phil

Yeah, they don't tell you when you're fired from radio. They just change the locks and put someone else on before you come in the next day.


#100

Dave

Dave

phil said:
Yeah, they don't tell you when you're fired from radio. They just change the locks and put someone else on before you come in the next day.
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USUALLY that's how radio works. But with this level of storm my guess is she's either really doing it herself or the company said, "Yeah, we're not renewing your contract when it comes up. So you can save face by saying you are quitting but you can not bad mouth the company or you will be gone tomorrow."


#101

GasBandit

GasBandit

If the company wanted her gone immediately bad enough, she'd be gone immediately. The Radio business is notorious for, as Phil said, changing the locks after you leave for the day. But this is not to say that there aren't other situations. The company may simply decide not to renew a contract when it expires (my company has done that quite often) as a "non-confrontational" option. The company may simply indicate strongly to her that it would be a good time to retire, allowing her to save face and allowing them plausible deniability to her fans. Or, she may just be seeing the writing on the wall that they're coming around to firing her, and may be "heading them off at the pass" so to speak. The company might not be opposed to her finishing out her contract because it makes life easier for them to wrap up her sponsorships and other affiliated contracts gracefully.


#102

Dave

Dave

GasBandit said:
If the company wanted her gone immediately bad enough, she'd be gone immediately. The Radio business is notorious for, as Phil said, changing the locks after you leave for the day. But this is not to say that there aren't other situations. The company may simply decide not to renew a contract when it expires (my company has done that quite often) as a "non-confrontational" option. The company may simply indicate strongly to her that it would be a good time to retire, allowing her to save face and allowing them plausible deniability to her fans. Or, she may just be seeing the writing on the wall that they're coming around to firing her, and may be "heading them off at the pass" so to speak. The company might not be opposed to her finishing out her contract because it makes life easier for them to wrap up her sponsorships and other affiliated contracts gracefully.
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So basically what I said.


#103

Troll

Troll

Good news, Dr. Laura! Sarah Palin is one your side!

Sarah Palin jumped in and tweeted, “Dr.Laura: don't retreat ... reload! (Steps aside bc her 1st Amend.rights ceased 2exist thx 2activists trying 2silence"isn't American,not fair")"

That was soon followed by a second tweet:

“Dr.Laura=even more powerful & effective w/out the shackles,so watch out Constitutional obstructionists. And b thankful 4 her voice, America!)"
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:facepalm:

Two stupid fucking peas in a retarded pod.


#104

Dave

Dave

Fox news. What did we tell ya?


#105

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Wow, she sounds as retarded as a lot of Twits.


#106

Dave

Dave

President "1337 sp33k" Palin?


#107

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Somehow, it's not surprising that Palin doesn't know the difference between private criticism and government censorship in regards to the 1st amendment.


#108

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

The 1st Amendment gives you the right to say what you want even if it offends someone.

The 1st Amendment gives other people the right to bitch at you for it.


#109

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Without the government getting involved (up to a certain point, anyway) is the key bit.


#110

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

What is the FCC rules for saying the n-word on the air?


#111

DarkAudit

DarkAudit

When what you say on-air becomes a financial liability to ownership, don't be surprised that they show you the door. Only difference is whether they allow you to walk through yourself, or hurl you bodily through it. First amendment doesn't mean squat. It's a private concern settling all family business.



#112

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

sixpackshaker said:
What is the FCC rules for saying the n-word on the air?
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Based on context, i.e. case-by-case. Not exactly flawless, but I think there's a Supreme Court ruling somewhere saying that to do otherwise (blanket rules) would be unconstitutional.

Obscenity, Indecency & Profanity - Frequently Asked Questions


#113

Dei

Dei

To expand on the Sarah Palin bit:

Sarah Palin defends Dr. Laura Schlessinger | syracuse.com

What's ironic is that Schlessinger slammed Palin in 2008. She expressed her disappointment that John McCain selected Palin as the Vice Presidential candidate of the Republican Party. Schlessinger was “stunned” that the GOP couldn’t find “one competent female with adult children to run for vice president.”
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Laughing so hard right now.


#114

Troll

Troll

Dave said:
President "1337 sp33k" Palin?
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1337 sp33k? No, that's how Palin spells anyway. It's the best she can do.


#115

Espy

Espy

Dei said:
To expand on the Sarah Palin bit:

Sarah Palin defends Dr. Laura Schlessinger | syracuse.com

What's ironic is that Schlessinger slammed Palin in 2008. She expressed her disappointment that John McCain selected Palin as the Vice Presidential candidate of the Republican Party. Schlessinger was “stunned” that the GOP couldn’t find “one competent female with adult children to run for vice president.”
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Laughing so hard right now.
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Yeah, I remember that... she was NOT a fan of Palin... wonder if thats changed?


#116



Philosopher B.

Ugh. I can just hear her chirping 'don't retreat! reload'.

Dei said:
To expand on the Sarah Palin bit:

Sarah Palin defends Dr. Laura Schlessinger | syracuse.com

What's ironic is that Schlessinger slammed Palin in 2008. She expressed her disappointment that John McCain selected Palin as the Vice Presidential candidate of the Republican Party. Schlessinger was “stunned” that the GOP couldn’t find “one competent female with adult children to run for vice president.”
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Laughing so hard right now.
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Lol! My god that's rich.


#117

Krisken

Krisken

All I want to know is whether her cat is alive or dead.


#118

strawman

strawman

You guys must really care deeply about her to go on for four pages...

:D

-Adam


#119

Krisken

Krisken

Man, we could have gone on much longer about how to wipe our asses. Much like Fox News and viewers, level of attention is irrelevant.


#120



Philosopher B.

Sit or stand? Lol.


#121

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

That was an epic (if a bit disgusting) thread.


#122

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Yeah, this has really been nothing. Steinman is just really impressed by very small things.

In the shower, he stares down at between his legs with astonishment and wonder.






I considered just typing the set-up for someone else, but I didn't trust you people not to turn it around on me.


#123

strawman

strawman



-Adam


#124

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

In Soviet Russia, the pop-up gets behind YOU!


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