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Duke Nuken no longer Forever?

#1



Chibibar

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20029166-501465.html

as in, forever in development? They actually got a RELEASE date (oooooooooo) well... I am still skeptic (it HAS been 14 years) so I will believe it when I got it, photo it, post on my facebook/forum AND install it before I believe it ;)


#2

Allen who is Quiet

Allen who is Quiet



#3

Mathias

Mathias

Ha! First Penny Arcade to make me laugh in a year!


#4



Jiarn

Yeah this isn't new news Chibibar. Gearbox (of Borderlands fame) was demoing the game at E3 this past year. It's coming along smoothly and will see release this year, guaranteed.


#5

@Li3n

@Li3n

I'll believe it after i don't wake up in 2001 because of the kick i'm gonna give myself after finishing it...


#6

Shakey

Shakey

This makes me happy. The vehicle stuff looks a bit out of place, but it's hard to tell from a trailer. Otherwise it looks like they did a good job of sticking to what made Duke fun. I'll be picking it up when it comes out.


#7

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Jiarn said:
Yeah this isn't new news Chibibar. Gearbox (of Borderlands fame) was demoing the game at E3 this past year. It's coming along smoothly and will see release this year, guaranteed.
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The news is the release date was officially announced.


#8

Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix

Yep, May 3rd 2011 for the north american release and May 6th 2011 for the international release.

Hopefully the beta will start up soon... I have an invite so that should be interesting... this game could be a lot of fun :). I have fond memories of Duke Nukem 3d.


#9



Wasabi Poptart

I had to check my calendar to make sure it's not April Fool's Day today. I'll believe it when it's actually on the shelves.


#10

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Guess that just leaves Half-Life 2: Episode 3 and Black Mesa Source, eh?

Poor Half-Life fans (like me). :(


#11

doomdragon6

doomdragon6

Man. One day Duke Nukem Forever will no longer be Vaporware. wtf, man?


#12

figmentPez

figmentPez

ThatNickGuy said:
Guess that just leaves Half-Life 2: Episode 3 and Black Mesa Source, eh?

Poor Half-Life fans (like me). :(
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C'mon, if Kid Icarus is finally getting a sequel, then HL2:e3 is hardly going to be that far overdue at only 4+ years since Episode 2.

Though, looking at past lists of what games were considered vaporware is interesting: Dragon Age Origins, Starcraft 2, All Points Bulletin, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, Star Trek Online, Wolfenstein (2009), Aliens vs Predator (2010)... Not all are successes, but there are some pretty good games on that list.


#13

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

The only reason Star Trek Online wasn't Vaporware is because somebody else bought the rights and all the work done. The same was done with DNF , so that kind of seems like the last resort for vaporware: Hope the company collapses.


#14

figmentPez

figmentPez

It's nice to know that not all long-delayed games end up being Daikatana or Too Human, though.


#15



rathkor

Something coulad appen between now and then, causing DNF to be delayed again and again. lol


#16



Rubicon

AshburnerX said:
The only reason Star Trek Online wasn't Vaporware is because somebody else bought the rights and all the work done. The same was done with DNF , so that kind of seems like the last resort for vaporware: Hope the company collapses.
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Incorrect.

Star Trek Online was originally being developed by Perpetual Entertainment, announced in 2004. In the next, 4 years leading up to 2008, they really did nothing. They released a few "screen shots" of in game renders, which we later found out were fake. Basically, they were screwing over their investors and took 4 years of money but never even got an Alpha version of the game launched, just a handful of concept art.

In 2008, Atari and Cryptic Studios got the rights to the Star Trek Online IP, and rushed to put out the game within 2 years. Not because they wanted to but because of pressure from CBS, who at that point had been shopping around STO as a mmo since Everquest became big in 1999. At that point CBS gave them 2 years to get a game made and on store shelves or they would take back the IP. So Cryptic took their Champions Online "Cryptic" Engine, and made STO with it. Since they had the tech already there, they just needed to design a game around it, which is why they were able to crank out a MMO in like 20 months time.

I just wanted to point out that unlike Duke Nukem Forever, the current owner of STO did not get any game from its previous developer, they built it themselves.


#17

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Fair enough, but the sentiment remains: Best chances for vaporware occur when the original company loses the IP.


#18

bhamv3

bhamv3

I would hate for Valve to collapse or lose the rights to Episode 3, they do good work, Valve.


#19

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

bhamv3 said:
I would hate for Valve to collapse or lose the rights to Episode 3, they do good work, Valve.
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It's entirely likely that Ep. 3 will simply be folded into what is going to be Half-Life 3. Left 4 Dead is done, Left 4 Dead 2 is unlikely to get anything more until after Left 4 Dead 3 is out, Team Fortress 2 doesn't need the whole company supporting it at this point and Portal 2 is almost done. That means the next project they do is likely to be ether HL2: EP3, HL3, or Left 4 Dead 3.


#20

@Li3n

@Li3n

AshburnerX said:
It's entirely likely that Ep. 3 will simply be folded into what is going to be Half-Life 3.
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Which sucks, because it would have worked better as set up for a HL3 where you take the fight to the Combine with new weapons like the portal gun and stuff.


#21

strawman

strawman

figmentPez said:
C'mon, if Kid Icarus is finally getting a sequel, then HL2:e3 is hardly going to be that far overdue at only 4+ years since Episode 2.

Though, looking at past lists of what games were considered vaporware is interesting: Dragon Age Origins, Starcraft 2, All Points Bulletin, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, Star Trek Online, Wolfenstein (2009), Aliens vs Predator (2010)... Not all are successes, but there are some pretty good games on that list.
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It's only vaporware if it's officially announced (screenshots, beta, release date or timeframe), then delayed repeatedly. IIRC some of the games on that list were desired by fans, but came out not more than a year after being officially announced.


#22

@Li3n

@Li3n

First Lady Puffinstuff said:
It's only vaporware if it's officially announced (screenshots, beta, release date or timeframe), then delayed repeatedly. IIRC some of the games on that list were desired by fans, but came out not more than a year after being officially announced.
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Yup... it's only vaporware if they're officially working on it, or at least they said they plan to (Ep.3 VALVE)...


#23

figmentPez

figmentPez

First Lady Puffinstuff said:
It's only vaporware if it's officially announced (screenshots, beta, release date or timeframe), then delayed repeatedly. IIRC some of the games on that list were desired by fans, but came out not more than a year after being officially announced.
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I'm just going by articles that had lists of top vaporware titles. I didn't do any research to find out if they were accurate or not.


#24

@Li3n

@Li3n

figmentPez said:
I'm just going by articles that had lists of top vaporware titles. I didn't do any research to find out if they were accurate or not.
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And that ladies and gentlemen is why the world sucks...


#25

figmentPez

figmentPez

@Li3n said:
And that ladies and gentlemen is why the world sucks...
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Why? It's not an important issue. Nothing vital hinges on my knowing if a game was just long anticipated, or if it was actually delayed in production after being announced. So the world sucks because people don't have the time and resources to be informed on every issue, no matter how small? Good grief. I was curious about how long various games were in development, and was surprised to find that more often than not, the titles once called vaporware were already out. Why should I have spent more time individually researching the history of each game?

The world does suck, but the reason isn't because an idle post on a message board doesn't life up to your idea of editorial perfection. Why don't you type out the post I should have made, print it out, fold it till it's all sharp corners, and then shove it where the sun don't shine.


#26

Allen who is Quiet

Allen who is Quiet

figmentPez said:
Nothing vital hinges on my knowing if a game was just long anticipated
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http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=4704754


#27

strawman

strawman

interblag iz zerious bizniz.


#28

@Li3n

@Li3n

figmentPez said:
Why? It's not an important issue.
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Spending 5 minutes so you can be right isn't exactly a lot of effort...

But i was commenting more in a general sense about how we tend to just read an article and assume it's true without bothering to do even the slightest check... and then voicing an opinion based on nothing but that.


#29

figmentPez

figmentPez

@Li3n said:
Spending 5 minutes so you can be right isn't exactly a lot of effort...
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Spending 5 minutes times thousands of things I could look up to ensure accuracy each day is a lot of effort. Everyone has to pick and choose what they'll spend their time on.


#30

@Li3n

@Li3n

What's the point of discussing something when it's likely that you're wrong because you only skimmed the subject?! Isn't that what youtube comment sections are for...


#31

figmentPez

figmentPez

@Li3n said:
What's the point of discussing something when it's likely that you're wrong because you only skimmed the subject?! Isn't that what youtube comment sections are for...
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How was I wrong? I was commenting on games that have come out that were once called vaporware. All the games I mentioned were in fact called vaporware at one time. It doesn't matter if they were accurately called that, the public still perceived them as vaporware. My interest was solely in if long anticipated games could actually come out and be good. I didn't care to make a distinction over if the games were actually announced or not, that much did not interest me, nor did it make any difference on the point I was trying to make.


#32

@Li3n

@Li3n

figmentPez said:
All the games I mentioned were in fact called vaporware at one time. It doesn't matter if they were accurately called that, the public still perceived them as vaporware.
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By that standard nothing we say is wrong...


Also, it occurs to me that if you had spent the time in which you wrote the two posts responding to what i said researching the issue this whole discussion could have been avoided...


#33

figmentPez

figmentPez

@Li3n said:
By that standard nothing we say is wrong...
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No, I was commenting about public opinion, not about fact. If the actual facts would have effected my comments, I would have been wrong. However, what I said was merely a comment on public opinion and expectation as it relates to certain results. It doesn't matter that the public was technically wrong, people still called certain games vaporware, and those games did eventually come out, some to great success.

Also, it occurs to me that if you had spent the time in which you wrote the two posts responding to what i said researching the issue this whole discussion could have been avoided...
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This conversation wouldn't have happened, but the point behind it would still exist. I care about this topic, I don't care greatly about the other. I find it important for people to realize that perfect accuracy isn't necessary for every comment made ever, and that it's acceptable to know what is relevant to a discussion and what is not, and when to cut off further research as unecessary. I could have spent days researching that post, and still missed facts that someone would consider relevant. I could have written a college thesis on the public perception of vaporware, versus the intended usage of the word, comparing and contrasting various games, but that would have just been a waste of everyone's time.

Instead, I just did what interested me and was relevant to the situation. I looked up what games had been called vaporware, and mentioned that most of those were out now. I thought it was an interesting factoid. Public knowledge of a game's long development doesn't mean it will inevitably be a failure. I don't see how that is changed by the accuracy of the term "vaporware". If the games were announced or not doesn't change that they were long anticipated. Heck, it doesn't even matter if they were officially in development for the whole time the public was talking about them. I wasn't making some deep commentary, just a light observation.

If you really cared about the accuracy of my original statement, you'd have gone out and told all of us which games I listed were not technically vaporware. Go ahead, research a timeline of public announcement for each game, and check your facts, make sure that the official announcement was the first declaration that the game was being made (and that you didn't miss some artwork "leaked" to the press by a designer). Then write a 500-word essay on the length of time after various degrees of public announcement that is necessary for a tech product to be considered "vaporware". Then we'll all know pretty much what we already do. Decent games can come out of long development periods.


#34

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

@li3n, I know where you're coming from, but I gotta say, don't be a dick.

Bibliography for this post forthcoming.


#35

@Li3n

@Li3n

Ravenpoe said:
@li3n, I know where you're coming from, but I gotta say, don't be a dick.
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His posts are getting longer each time... how can i resist that?!To not even mention his overreaction to my off hand comment...

@Fig

Oh c'mon... if you knew the definition of vaporware finding when they announced a certain game would have taken 5 sec...not to mention how you should have already known about some of those games just by being here.

I wasn't expecting you to do a thesis, but taking the first list you came across and running with it is what i made that comment about.


#36

@Li3n

@Li3n

Anywho, getting back on topic:













DO WANT!!!!!!!!


#37

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Everything I've read from people who've played the game so far is that this game is definitely for the fans. If you haven't played Duke Nukem, you might not truly enjoy the experience they are trying to give you.


#38

@Li3n

@Li3n

Or to people that miss late 90's games (only played a demo shareware of Duke because in '97 50$ was a fortune and this sounds awesome: http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/duke-nukem-forever/1148875p1.html)...


#39

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Duke Nukem Forever has the original games as unlockables, like Splatterhouse did.


#40



Jiarn

Did they rename the Bellagio to the Fellatio?

I love this game already.


#41

Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix

I can't freaking wait for this game... it looks like the crass humour from the original has been faithfully replicated...


#42

@Li3n

@Li3n

Hail to the King baby: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/return-of-duke-nukem/710452#comments_top


#43

Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix



Totally awesome!!! lol


#44

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

You'd think they'd at least throw in a pair of ball bearings or something... if the Edition says balls of steel, I expect steel balls.


#45

@Li3n

@Li3n

More good news: http://kotaku.com/#!5755039/duke-nukem-forever-is-a-tawdry-sometimes-gratifying-spectacle


#46

@Li3n

@Li3n

And of course: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/03/24/duke-nukem-forever-delayed-again/


#47

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

I wonder if my pre-order from ten goddamn years ago is still valid.


#48

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Ravenpoe said:
I wonder if my pre-order from ten goddamn years ago is still valid.
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If you still have it, I know the Devs are doing something to give credit to the people who've done so. You should scan it/send it to them.


#49

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Did they delay the game so they could make a IT'S GETTING DELAYED AGAIN gag video?


#50

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

More than likely they are working on something special for all the people who've been involved with the game over the years.


#51



Chibibar

Well, they better have the classic games to go with it! I'm telling ya!


#52



Disconnected

:rofl:
so delicious
@Li3n said:
And of course: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/03/24/duke-nukem-forever-delayed-again/
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#53

Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix

New trailer is up... complete with ass kicking action, blood and strippers.

http://www.dukenukemforever.com/full/us/

Dang that theme song on the webpage brings back a lot of good memories :D


#54

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Want is no longer an option for me.

NEED.


#55

Shakey

Shakey

It has gone gold. I keep telling myself it might still be delayed yet again, but it looks like it will actually happen this time.


#56



TheBrew

Crap, I think the only thing holding back the Apocalypse was DNF never coming out. I breathed a sign of relief when it was delayed past May 21st.

Now we are all doomed.


#57

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Let's see. Duke Nukem - coming out. Chinese Democracy - released. President - black.

...

OH MY GOD... IT IS THE END!


#58



Chibibar

heh. I'm contemplating to pre-order on Steam :)
I need money :(


#59

Chad Sexington

Chad Sexington

Ravenpoe said:
Let's see. Duke Nukem - coming out. Chinese Democracy - released. President - black.

...

OH MY GOD... IT IS THE END!
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Don't forget them gays with their pride!:facepalm:


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