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http://www.vox.com/2015/6/4/8732723/female-viagra-fda

I don't even know where to begin with this.

The big question is what will happen if men use it.
Women have a reaction with Viagra, it encourages female erection through the same mechanism that encourages male erection, which can secondarily increase libido due to the perceived arousal.
The question is, how will this female pill affect the male brain?

--Patrick

Might be useful for people suffering from reruced sex drive but probably little else.

MindDetective said:

Might be useful for people suffering from reruced sex drive but probably little else.

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Apparently, testing showed that people using the product only had one more "satisfying encounter" per month than people on the placebo.

Meanwhile, 1 in 5 have alarming side effects.

Pharma Exec: "I can live with those odds."

I dunno, anything that messes with dopamine receptors makes me nervous.

I also find the comparison to viagra to be kind of stupid, if this, I don't know, made women more wet, it would be comparable to viagra.

I think the bigger issue is going to be what happens if someone does come with a working version of this stuff... and it suddenly starts finding it's way into drinks at bars. *sigh*

The funniest thing to me is that a woman taking this can not drink. And the pill raises them to "two ro three additional sexual experiences per month". Forget the pill. Just give them the alcohol and it'll do the same damned thing!

That's kind of offensive Dave, just saying. :/ Not becoming aroused is a real thing, and I always get irritated by people who brush off the idea as a non-issue, so I might be biased. But "Just get her drunk?" :/

Dei said:

That's kind of offensive Dave, just saying. :/ Not becoming aroused is a real thing, and I always get irritated by people who brush off the idea as a non-issue, so I might be biased. But "Just get her drunk?" :/

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Drinking lowers the inhibitions. Note that I didn't say "drunk", just "alcohol". Much like viagra, this will be taken by people who don't actually have the problem. And the side effects are pretty terrible. So yeah, alcohol probably will work just as well for most if not all people. I think we're way too willing to prescribe things to people.

And besides, it was a joke. I do that. Occupational hazard. Not always funny, but almost always joking.

Dave said:

Drinking lowers the inhibitions. Note that I didn't say "drunk", just "alcohol". Much like viagra, this will be taken by people who don't actually have the problem. And the side effects are pretty terrible. So yeah, alcohol probably will work just as well for most if not all people. I think we're way too willing to prescribe things to people.

And besides, it was a joke. I do that. Occupational hazard. Not always funny, but almost always joking.

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I think the real difference is, Alcohol might lower a woman's inhibitions enough to have sex, but the point of the drug in question is to get her to actually enjoy the sex. However, it's all moot as it really sounds like snake oil, and with dangerous side effects at that.

To have sex with women you have to give them what they want.

Jay said:

To have sex with women you have to give them what they want.

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It's been my experience, they want you to want the same as what they want, without their telling you what they want or even that they are wanting anything, because then it doesn't count.

And you get penalized every time you use the words "I'm not a goddamned mind reader!"

Bowielee said:

anything that messes with dopamine receptors makes me nervous.

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In case anyone wonders what he's talking about:
Parkinson's Drugs Linked to Sex and Gambling Addictions

--Patrick

GasBandit said:

I think the real difference is, Alcohol might lower a woman's inhibitions enough to have sex, but the point of the drug in question is to get her to actually enjoy the sex. However, it's all moot as it really sounds like snake oil, and with dangerous side effects at that.

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I mean, basically this. You're basically saying that you should just get her to drink so you can have sex with her, without taking into account that just because you can get your dick in her doesn't mean that it's actually doing anything for her, inhibitions lowered or not. It's very frustrating to have a guys definition of sex being "Can I stick my dick in her? Then it's working!" Just, no.

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To have sex with women you have to give them what they want.

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The message I'm getting out of this is that apparently women don't really want Ryan Gosling?

GasBandit said:

Apparently, testing showed that people using the product only had one more "satisfying encounter" per month than people on the placebo.

Meanwhile, 1 in 5 have alarming side effects.

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I wonder if it'll be like those medicines that're supposed to, say, help with breathing but can cause shortness of breath.

"You can breathe better, but you'll have to do it more often!"

Or the ones that take the remedy too far, like constipation meds that can cause diarrhea. Wanted to go from 1 to 5, not get all Spinal Tap and turn it up to 11.

I have a friend who has zero sex drive thanks to her birth control (which she takes for hormonal reasons outside of just birth control). It's made her relationships pretty rocky because she literally just does it because the guy wants to and she says she gets nothing from it. A pill like this (or one with fewer side effects hopefully) that actually works would be a fantastic thing for her and people like her.

Frank said:

I have a friend who has zero sex drive thanks to her birth control (which she takes for hormonal reasons outside of just birth control). It's made her relationships pretty rocky because she literally just does it because the guy wants to and she says she gets nothing from it. A pill like this (or one with fewer side effects hopefully) that actually works would be a fantastic thing for her and people like her.

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Ironically hormonal birth control is one of the things you can't take while on this drug.

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Ironically hormonal birth control is one of the things you can't take while on this drug.

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Then maybe they need to work harder.

Frank said:

Then maybe they need to work harder.

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That's kind of the point. This product makes promises it cannot keep. It has little to no actual benefit while also having a high rate of harmful side effects. All of the tests and trials made the FDA decide not to approve it, but then the pharmaceutical company that made it trotted a whole bunch of crying housewives in front of a committee and let them tell their sob stories about how not being able to enjoy sex was ruining their marriages. I guess the fact that the drug doesn't actually work isn't of much concern.

Yikes, having now read a bunch of stuff on this, this is a bad fucking idea. The side effects can be pretty ghastly, it can't help the people that need it most and it doesn't actually seem to do much of anything.

How the fuck does this get approved?

Frank said:

Yikes, having now read a bunch of stuff on this, this is a bad fucking idea. The side effects can be pretty ghastly, it can't help the people that need it most and it doesn't actually seem to do much of anything.

How the fuck does this get approved?

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See above picture for reference.
Big pharma pays big.

Reading articles on this is making me lose faith in humanity due to the comments. Both sides. One side is acting like the purpose of a woman is a basically a sex toy and now they can finally get it on. The other acting like any man who wants to have sex with his wife is a sex-crazed, wild-eyed monster, or that the only reason a man wants sex is for orgasm. Not that there aren't rational comments, but they're lost in the noise.

Frank said:

Yikes, having now read a bunch of stuff on this, this is a bad fucking idea. The side effects can be pretty ghastly, it can't help the people that need it most and it doesn't actually seem to do much of anything.

How the fuck does this get approved?

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Marketing. Money. Appeal to Emotion.

Wife recommends this article to the thread: https://medium.com/galleys/the-science-of-saving-your-sex-life-ed9cfeb4edd7

It goes over what's taught with women's sex drive versus what might actually be going on, in that physical stimulation can lead to the desire for sex. In other words, that to desire sex might first involve trying to see if you feel like it.

In short, I don't envy women in this, because it sounds annoying. But acknowledging can be helpful and my wife's attitude has essentially become that the medicine this topic is about is garbage.