Finally saw Lost

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Wow,

I know I'm late to the party, but I just marathon-watched Lost (over the course of the past month).

Why can't television be more like this? It was well directed and well-scored. I don't even remotely understand the controversy about the finale. I can't think of a better way to wrap it up. The only thing I can think of is that people expected the flash sideways to have something to do with the "magic" of the island, when in fact it really didn't. I don't know if they felt cheated or what. Or maybe they expected a big battle royale between Jacob's team and the MIB. But that would've been really stupid. I loved how they blurred the line between hero and villain, even with the island's archetype characters. Jacob wasn't all that great, and MiB actually helped people. I don't get confusion about any of the show's points either since as good as it was, subtle it was not. They pretty much explicitly explained everything on air in plain words by the end. Sure, they didn't explain everything, but I can't think of a single thing that was important to the plot that was left out, and overexplaining would've killed it.

Anyway, 5/5. Kudos esp. to the composer for his minimalist music, especially the way it layered up in the series finale.


EDIT: If this scene didn't choke you up, you're a cold bastard:
 
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Reboneer

There really wasn't that much controversy. There was a vocal minority who hated it. No matter how they ended it, there were always going to be some who hated it.
 
ThatNickGuy

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As I've said before, I loved MOST of the finale. Most especially each of th reunions.

What I didn't like, though, was those last 10 minutes or so, where we find out that the flash sideways is in fact, the afterlife. I just felt cheaped after spending so much time with these characters, only to find out they're all dead. It felt like a bad cop out. Honestly, I would have preferred the flash sideways to be an alternate reality created by Jacob as a reward for destroying Smokey. But they had to work to remember it.

Still, don't get me wrong. Aside from those last 10 or so minutes, I loved it.
 
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Matt²

ThatNickGuy said:
As I've said before, I loved MOST of the finale. Most especially each of th reunions.

What I didn't like, though, was those last 10 minutes or so, where we find out that the flash sideways is in fact, the afterlife. I just felt cheaped after spending so much time with these characters, only to find out they're all dead. It felt like a bad cop out. Honestly, I would have preferred the flash sideways to be an alternate reality created by Jacob as a reward for destroying Smokey. But they had to work to remember it.

Still, don't get me wrong. Aside from those last 10 or so minutes, I loved it.
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Also, the creators LIED. Or at least they wound up lying. They had originally said "No, they're not dead and it's not the afterlife" in response to a bunch of questions about the show from fans after 1st season. 2nd season is when I came in and had watched a marathon of Lost season 1 after I heard a bunch of hubbub about it on the forums somewhere.
 
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I envy you. I plan on someday re-watching the whole show in a marathon.
 
Allen who is Quiet

Allen who is Quiet

Espy;420754][QUOTE=Fun Size said:
But that was part of the gag. On the island, they weren't dead. It wasn't the afterlife.
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Yeah, what the hell? Why don't people get that? THEY. AREN'T. DEAD. ONTHEISLAND.[/QUOTE]

Even if they were dead on the island, do people honestly expect the guys who worked on the show to say, "Yep, they're dead. You guys figured it out. You don't have to watch the show anymore."
 
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The Lovely Boner said:
Mav, what happened to your grassroots project to collect everyone that hated Lost, or that website thing you were making to catalog how utterly awful and the worst tv show ever because of the finale? Wasn't it like www.lostistheepicfail.com or something?
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No, I said it would be great to catalog all of the factual errors and plotholes they left after 6 years. I never said would do it just that it was one hell of an idea, people latched onto that and auto-assumed I was deadly serious about it.
 
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Mav;421850][QUOTE=The Lovely Boner said:
Mav, what happened to your grassroots project to collect everyone that hated Lost, or that website thing you were making to catalog how utterly awful and the worst tv show ever because of the finale? Wasn't it like www.lostistheepicfail.com or something?
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No, I said it would be great to catalog all of the factual errors and plotholes they left after 6 years. I never said would do it just that it was one hell of an idea, people latched onto that and auto-assumed I was deadly serious about it.[/QUOTE]

No, what you said was:

I'm in the process of registering HowToWriteLost.com, we'll be collecting all 100+ MAJOR plot holes and how each and everyone could have potentially be answered. As well as an in-depth analysis of how you completely and utterly drop the ball when it comes to tv writing. Seriously, someone at ABC needs to make heads roll over this, if this is the type of shit they allow writers to etch out on tv, someone is not really looking over their shoulder to you know, quality control this shit before it turns to actual shit. (Yes, I'm registering that domain, this is just too perfect an opportunity to pass up)
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Reboneer;421860][QUOTE=Mav;421850][QUOTE=The Lovely Boner said:
Mav, what happened to your grassroots project to collect everyone that hated Lost, or that website thing you were making to catalog how utterly awful and the worst tv show ever because of the finale? Wasn't it like www.lostistheepicfail.com or something?
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No, I said it would be great to catalog all of the factual errors and plotholes they left after 6 years. I never said would do it just that it was one hell of an idea, people latched onto that and auto-assumed I was deadly serious about it.[/QUOTE]

No, what you said was:

I'm in the process of registering HowToWriteLost.com, we'll be collecting all 100+ MAJOR plot holes and how each and everyone could have potentially be answered. As well as an in-depth analysis of how you completely and utterly drop the ball when it comes to tv writing. Seriously, someone at ABC needs to make heads roll over this, if this is the type of shit they allow writers to etch out on tv, someone is not really looking over their shoulder to you know, quality control this shit before it turns to actual shit. (Yes, I'm registering that domain, this is just too perfect an opportunity to pass up)
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Apparently sarcasm is lost (no pun intended) on the internet. We need a [satire][/satire] tag..

But as usual, I'm always wrong. Everyone else is entitled to an opinion on a subject but I'm not, at least not around here. Unless you are the forum badass (read, the person railing on others) or you have a pair of boobs, you aren't considered "cool" in this community..

And I thought Krypton Krew was bad..
 
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Iaculus

Of course, it could just be the passive-aggressiveness and persecution complex you've got going...

On-topic, I probably oughta give this show a go sometime. To find out what the fuss is all about, if nothing else.
 
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Mav;422235][QUOTE=Reboneer;421860][QUOTE=Mav;421850][QUOTE=The Lovely Boner said:
Mav, what happened to your grassroots project to collect everyone that hated Lost, or that website thing you were making to catalog how utterly awful and the worst tv show ever because of the finale? Wasn't it like www.lostistheepicfail.com or something?
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No, I said it would be great to catalog all of the factual errors and plotholes they left after 6 years. I never said would do it just that it was one hell of an idea, people latched onto that and auto-assumed I was deadly serious about it.[/QUOTE]

No, what you said was:

I'm in the process of registering HowToWriteLost.com, we'll be collecting all 100+ MAJOR plot holes and how each and everyone could have potentially be answered. As well as an in-depth analysis of how you completely and utterly drop the ball when it comes to tv writing. Seriously, someone at ABC needs to make heads roll over this, if this is the type of shit they allow writers to etch out on tv, someone is not really looking over their shoulder to you know, quality control this shit before it turns to actual shit. (Yes, I'm registering that domain, this is just too perfect an opportunity to pass up)
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[/QUOTE]

Apparently sarcasm is lost (no pun intended) on the internet. We need a [satire][/satire] tag..

But as usual, I'm always wrong. Everyone else is entitled to an opinion on a subject but I'm not, at least not around here. Unless you are the forum badass (read, the person railing on others) or you have a pair of boobs, you aren't considered "cool" in this community..

And I thought Krypton Krew was bad..[/QUOTE]

 
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Chazwozel

Null's got a nice rack; I don't think he's part of the cool table...
 
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I miss the old forums, where you know, everyone wasn't some stuck up asshole who looked down upon others. There's too many cliques and circles here these days.. Which I'm sure the great Chaz will expound upon here shortly

*insert random image from images.google.com for the lulz* /eyeroll
 
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... Mav, honey, the thing to do when someone accuses you of passive-aggressiveness is not to immediately start being more so.

Sooo... about this Lost thing, huh?
 
Rob King

Rob King

These guys are stuck up assholes who look down on others. In retaliation I think I'll become a stuck up asshole, and look down on them.
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On a scale of 1-10, how likely do you think it is that this approach will end the problem?
 
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You know, I haven't been around much lately, but I only see ONE person in this thread whining and complaining and bringing everything down. You're entitled to your opinion (no matter how wrong it is), just don't expect everyone to go, "Aww that's so sweet."

I liked it. It had some plot holes. I could write down ten right now. But none of them are "MAJOR" (emphasis yours). None of them make the story fall apart. None of them really matter. Guess what. Every major story ever has plot holes. Everything fiction I've ever written has plot holes. Everything I've ever loved has plot holes. So. What. Star Trek is full of them to the point that they have to continually write themselves out of them (and I like it nonetheless). The fact of the matter is it was a beautiful character driven story. The show was about the characters, and the sci-fi mystery was the setting. If you don't like character stories, you shouldn't be watching Abrams in the first place. That's his schtick. And, no, I'm not saying you said that--I'm making a point. (Jeez, I hardly go to forums anymore, partly because "Show me where I said that" is the dickest defense ever. You would never say that in real life when someone is clearly making a point.) The directors were awesome. The show went places tv hadn't really gone before (non-caucasian cast members who weren't cardboard cutouts, realistic ethnicities, stereotype busting, strong females who weren't bitches, constant cast rotation, flawed characters (hell, this was the POINT OF THE SHOW), etc.) Oh, and my personal favorite---fuzzy edged good guys and bad guys. Like I said up there, even the MiB wasn't all bad, and Jacob could be a douche--which was AWESOME.

Now, I'm getting admittedly defensive. There were things that I didn't like. I really hated Juliet's "The Face". I really want to know more about the temple Others. I want to know what happened to Ben when Richard saved his life. Why and how did he "lose his innocence"? Why did Juliet say "It worked." (though that was probably just in progress writing gone bad). Why didn't Jack seem to have Jacob's power even though Jacob passed it on to him?
 
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Mav said:
I miss the old forums, where you know, everyone wasn't some stuck up asshole who looked down upon others. There's too many cliques and circles here these days.. Which I'm sure the great Chaz will expound upon here shortly

*insert random image from images.google.com for the lulz* /eyeroll
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Then leave, douchebag. No one is forcing your eyelids open while your cheeze puff encrusted hands type trite, little quips about no one loving you on the forums. Fucking dipshit.
 
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Also, I should add that as much as I wanted to know more about certain things on the Island, I'm really, really, really, really, really, really glad the writers didn't explain everything (and they explained A LOT very explicitly by the end as I said above). If they did, it would've been corny, and they would've been guilty of the dreaded infodump that plagues modern writing.

Also, you know who was guilty of plot holes, and embraced it? Tolkein, Nerd God. He made literary love to them. If you read his letters, he would actually incorporate his goofs intentionally into the story. As he said, he wouldn't say, "Why did I write that?". Rather, he would ask, "Why did Frodo do that?" and answer it.
 
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Chazwozel;422411][QUOTE=Mav said:
I miss the old forums, where you know, everyone wasn't some stuck up asshole who looked down upon others. There's too many cliques and circles here these days.. Which I'm sure the great Chaz will expound upon here shortly

*insert random image from images.google.com for the lulz* /eyeroll
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Then leave, douchebag. No one is forcing your eyelids open while your cheeze puff encrusted hands type trite, little quips about no one loving you on the forums. Fucking dipshit.[/QUOTE]

Die in a fire sweetcheeks, k thanks
 
Espy

Espy

Here's a Halforums ProTip for free:

-You can be honest without being a giant asshole to someone.
-You can make jokes and tease each other without being a giant asshole.
-You can choose to not take every joke or jab in your direction as a giant insult
-You can choose to deal with getting called out for saying something dumb, we all do it, and we have all gotten called for saying something dumb. It's part of life.

So before you post in this thread (or any other) decide, am I being a giant asshole or a giant douche? If the answer is yes, then maybe grab a beer and chill a few minutes before engaging in giant asshole and giant douche behavior.
Consider this a "I don't want to have to lock this thread" post.
So don't make me lock this thread.
 
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