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#1



Iaculus

FOXNews.com - EXCLUSIVE: Pedophiles Find a Home on Wikipedia

This is just... wut?

EXCLUSIVE: Pedophiles Find a Home on Wikipedia
By Jana Winter
Published June 25, 2010
FOXNews.com

Wikipedia has become home base for a loose worldwide network of pedophiles who are campaigning to spin the popular online encyclopedia in their favor and are trying to lure more people into their world, an investigation by FoxNews.com confirms.

Chat room posts show a clear effort by pedophiles to use Wikipedia, which can be accessed unfiltered in public schools across the country, to further their agenda. Message board posts often include links to specific Wikipedia articles that the participants say need to be edited to "normalize" pedophile behavior in the public eye and to recruit more pedophiles into their community.

“Pedophiles have campaigned to push their point of view that 'pedophilia is OK and doesn’t hurt children' on Wikipedia,” says Xavier Von Erck, director of the online pedophile watchdog organization Perverted Justice Foundation and Wikisposure.com, its offshoot project devoted to tracking pedophiles and pedophile activism on Wikipedia. “This has been a problem since Wikipedia started.”

In response to a request for comment on this story, Sue Gardner, executive director of Wikimedia Foundation, Wikipedia's parent organization, said in a statement:

"Wikipedia has a long-held, zero-tolerance policy towards pedophilia or pedophilia advocacy and child pornography. The Wikimedia community is vigilant about identifying and deleting any such material. Any allegations to the contrary are outrageous and false."

On April 22, a user with the screen name “apple” on the BoyChat message board posted a call for pedophiles around the world to start a Wikipedia article devoted to the author of a memoir described as “the life history of a lover of boys!!”

(BoyChat is a notorious, long-running online message board for adults who are attracted to underage boys.)

A user named “Drowning, not waving” replied in a post called “apple get that Wikipedia entry written”:

“IMO still the best autobiography written by a bl [boy lover]. A must read, despite (or because of) depicting a very different world to today's.

"And don't forget his Some Boys for a fleshier look at his interaction with the world.”

Three years ago, on Annabelleigh.net, an online message board for adults who are sexually attracted to prepubescent girls, a user named “student” outlined the campaign to use Wikipedia as a platform for activism and to recruit more pedophiles. (Annabelleigh, also called GirlChat, is the sister site to BoyChat.)

The Annabelle post, titled “Keep your eye on the prize,” read:

“The most important function Wikipedia serves is via the pedophilia articles themselves. It is important that they remain fair and unbiased. It is important that they continue to have external links to the support and activist community. The user pages are much less important.

"It is of the utmost importance that pedophiles newly daring to google "pedophile" or "pedophilia," or look them up directly in Wikipedia, in an effort to understand themselves better, are able to get unbiased information …. Many of these men and women are in dire need of support.

"Secondly, nonpedophiles who recognize the increasingly sensationalistic media treatment, etc., and turn to the Web to find the facts or people who use the Web as their primary source of information: If they turn to Wikipedia, Wikipedia should give a fair and balanced view. This community needs that to happen….

"That should be the primary focus of our Wikipedia efforts. If you have to 'lie and hide' to keep our influence balanced against the bigots, then by all means lie and hide to do it. By all means, do not give up the fight to self-identify on the user pages, but make sure you do not let it stop you from editing!”

Wikipedia's critics point out that schools throughout the U.S. encourage students to do research on the online encyclopedia, which is free and available to anyone with an Internet connection. This means that students who use Wikipedia to research the academic subject of pedophilia will immediately find a page on the topic that is being targeted by the pedophiles. Wikipedia's "Pedophilia" page also is the first "hit" when you search the term in Google or Bing.

The article on pedophilia, in its suggestions for further reading, suggests other Wikipedia pages edited by pedophiles, including "Child Sexuality," and "NAMBLA," a page about the North American Man/Boy Love Association. That page links directly to NAMBLA's website, as do 25 other Wikipedia pages.

Wikipedia also has 32 external links to GirlChat, 14 to a Danish pro-pedophile website and 12 to BoyChat.

FoxNews.com also found hundreds of posts on BoyChat linking to Wikipedia pages, including "Child Sex Tourism," which provides detailed information on the different laws regarding child prostitution in countries around the world, and which links to newspaper articles that highlight “hotspots” like a section of Mexico City where child exploitation is rampant and unchecked by law enforcement. Other recent links were to Wikipedia pages named “Sexual Objectification," "Child Erotica" and “Simulated Child Pornography.”

These Wikipedia articles, edited and shared by pedophiles, are nothing but guideposts to get them aroused, says Hemanshu Nigam, who headed security divisions at Microsoft and MySpace and now runs SSP Blue, an online security consulting firm.

Posts on BoyChat also instruct participants to hide their identities and avoid being blocked by other users while editing pedophilia-related articles on Wikipedia.

Anyone can edit an article on Wikipedia as long as he follows Wikipedia’s principles of having a neutral point of view, which means the articles aren’t supposed to take sides on any issue and they must cite “verifiable, authoritative sources,” according to Wikipedia. Some pages are protected and can be edited only by volunteer administrators who have a certain number of edits and days editing under their belt, while other pages are fully protected and may be edited only by volunteer administrators or stewards voted on by the community. If someone makes an edit that other members of the community don’t approve, they can revert that edit or, in more drastic circumstances, nominate the entire page for deletion. The deletion request is then commented on by other members of the community until a consensus is reached. (Click here to see Wikipedia’s policies and guidelines page and here for the fundamental principles by which Wikipedia operates.]

But an investigation by FoxNews.com shows that pedophiles are gaming this system, using their message boards to rally opposition and to sabotage attempts by other Wikipedia community members to rid the online encyclopedia of pro-pedophilia content.
For example a 2007 post on BoyChat calls on the pedophile community to vote against another user’s request to delete a Wikipedia page called “Marthijn Uittenbogaard,” named for the leader of a defunct Dutch political party that had three members and advocated for the legalization of sex between adults and children.

After the page was nominated for deletion by multiple Wikipedia users, a BoyChat user named “SqueakBox” wrote on the blog:

“Hysterical antiped lists Marthijn Uittenbogaard for wikipedia scrapheap!

"Get yer' votes in -"

The blog post concludes with a link to the Wikipedia page where the proposed deletion was being voted on.

The site remains active today.

Wikisposure has identified hundreds of convicted pedophiles and well-known pedophilia activists who have been members of Wikipedia’s community of volunteers who edit articles on the online encyclopedia. Some pedophiles active on Wikipedia have been sent to prison on charges relating to child pornography, according to Wikisposure, which has assisted in some of the investigations.

Von Erck, who uses a pseudonym, said a number of pedophiles have been kicked off the site, but many of them have returned using different usernames.

“The problem with it is you need to have a committed effort to deal with committed people who are devoted to pushing their propaganda online like pedophiles,” he said.

But Nigam, who is co-chairman of President Obama's Online Safety Technology Group and sits on the board of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, said it's not that complicated. "Almost every other social networking site has taken steps to clean up their sites, except for Wikipedia," he said.

Nigam said Wikipedia is making a conscious choice to abandon its responsibility by hosting an online haven for pedophiles.

“It’s nothing more than a company that is choosing to ignore the worst kind of exploitation in the world,” he said.


#2



Iaculus

... How the hell did I get into the position of never being able to live down something someone else did?

Besides, that site may be only nine years old, but it's very mature for its age.


#3

D

Dubyamn

I think because it is freaking hilarious.

And yeah I'm not surprised that there are movements out there that are editing Wikipedia for their own purposes. I mean the actual ability to rewrite history in a way? Hell there are probably Neonazi groups and white supremacy groups out there doing the exact same thing. And there are probably plenty of groups out there actively monitering Wikipedia entries for this kind of content.

Overall I think it really strengthens Wikipedia rather than weakens it as a source of information no matter how Foxnews tries to throw dirt on it.


#4



Chazwozel

The most amusing part of this topic is that you, of all people, posted it.

Jesus, let that joke go already.


#5

Ross

Ross

I read the first 1/4 of it... Fox is doing a better job at advertising pedo sites than the friggen underground (supposed) wiki campaign.


#6

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Icarus was the one.

Not Iaculus.

Though maybe after all this time, you might consider changing your name :p.


#7



Iaculus

Hell no. I got there first.


#8

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

Oh please, someone link to conservapedia, can we laugh at that some here? It's so hilarious.


#9

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

The entry for Fox News on Wikipedia lists them as a bunch of no-account jerks who will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.


#10

Rob King

Rob King

Does anybody truly believe that pedophiles are organizing? I mean, with the internet you can find a community for just about anything, but I have a hard time believing that pedophiles are meeting online and trying to unfurl a gigantic nation-sweeping scheme to diddle little boys, especially when it essentially includes setting up a PR division.


#11



Iaculus

Want to know the best bit?

That's not even the worst piece of journalism this week.

Thought the Metro usually left the moral panics to its big brother, the Mail.


#12



Chazwozel

Does anybody truly believe that pedophiles are organizing? I mean, with the internet you can find a community for just about anything, but I have a hard time believing that pedophiles are meeting online and trying to unfurl a gigantic nation-sweeping scheme to diddle little boys, especially when it essentially includes setting up a PR division.


Pedos are not organizing in as much as they get together to try and justify their very sick state of mind.


#13

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Does anybody truly believe that pedophiles are organizing? I mean, with the internet you can find a community for just about anything, but I have a hard time believing that pedophiles are meeting online and trying to unfurl a gigantic nation-sweeping scheme to diddle little boys, especially when it essentially includes setting up a PR division.


#14

Rob King

Rob King

I can only assume that was the video of Oprah and the 9000 penises thing, because I can't see it. All the same, it's my favorite thing to have come out of Anon.


#15



Soliloquy

Does anybody truly believe that pedophiles are organizing? I mean, with the internet you can find a community for just about anything, but I have a hard time believing that pedophiles are meeting online and trying to unfurl a gigantic nation-sweeping scheme to diddle little boys, especially when it essentially includes setting up a PR division.
Well, there is NAMBLA


#16

Baerdog

Baerdog

You mean the National Association of Marlon Brando Look-Alikes?


#17

Krisken

Krisken

Does anybody truly believe that pedophiles are organizing?
Wait, don't tell me. The Catholic priesthood?


#18

ElJuski

ElJuski

Does anybody truly believe that pedophiles are organizing?
Wait, don't tell me. The Catholic priesthood?[/QUOTE]

BOOOOSH!


#19

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

I love their evidence of pedo agenda, 2 usenet posts from 3 years ago.


#20



Musashi

SILLY FOX NEWS.


#21

Bubble181

Bubble181

I like the fact that, because of this article, I'm now aware of three more sites oriented towards people with pedophile views than before. Good job Fox.
Also, does any school actually encourage their students to wiki something, instead of, you know, actually searching for info? Isn't that the worst way of teaching people how to gather information, ever?


#22

Troll

Troll

Also, does any school actually encourage their students to wiki something, instead of, you know, actually searching for info? Isn't that the worst way of teaching people how to gather information, ever?
Every school I've ever seen/heard of forbids using wikipedia as a resource for research papers. I regularly compare students' papers with wikipedia to see if any of them are trying to copy, and they all know if they are caught they get an F.


#23

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

It's generally a good policy to forbid students from using Wikipedia as a source, if only because it's the equivalent of going to an encyclopedia and writing down the entire entry of what your looking for and passing it as your own work. The entire point of the exercise is to make sure the students understand how to research on their own, not that they got the information you asked for.

That being said, a lot of people bash Wikipedia because "it can be changed at anytime and thus isn't concrete enough as a source", without realizing that dozens of people are watching every page for the slightest change and making sure that if it WAS changed, it was changed for a good reason. If it wasn't, they change it back. In any event, it's definitely not enough information to do a report on, but it DOES point you towards every source used in the article and thus gives you lots of sources to use. It's a great place to START looking for info.


#24

Necronic

Necronic

Wikipedia is an incredibly good source. I mean, you should double check it's references and look through the discussion pages, but it's an awesome source. I remember hearing a report on NPR or BBC and these two journalists were talking about the whole 'you should never use wikipedia as a source if you want to be a respected journalist' and then paused, and both admitted they used wikipedia.


#25

Troll

Troll

When I forbid students from using Wikipedia it's not really about the reliability of the information. In my case it's because they were assigned to do research, and Wikipedia is too easy and/or shallow. The point of the assignment is to do some digging and learn how to find, read, understand, and then apply sources. It's not about not trusting the information. I'll admit I use Wikipedia to look up things too.

That, and the kids are lazy and like to plagiarize. That's a constant thorn in my side as well.


#26



crono1224

I find, much like with TV Tropes, that wikipedia leads me to many new topics that I may not have even considered browsing first (not related to writing papers). For papers I think it is a decent jumping off point, especially with research related to controversial topics such as death penalty or others. If you weren't careful with some of these topics you could easily find a ton of info but it would be entirely one sided. This may not apply to topics that are more cut and dry, but still can help as a jumping off place, or even as a place to get additional ideas for things to look into. I would never use it as a reference though, merely as a place to help me better tool my inquiries.


#27

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

As long as you don't use wikipedia as a primary source, I think it's perfectly acceptable to use it as a research tool.


#28

GasBandit

GasBandit

Yeah, you can't cite wikipedia, but you can find other sources of info about something by going to wikipedia.

/over 9000 penises, all on wikipedia


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