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I never read a lot of Batman growing up.. but someone posted this in irc;

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2462/1255051788161.jpg

wowzers..

i always knew he looked up to Alfred as a father figure but to really consider him a father after raising him, helping him through life, both as Bruce and as Batman.. wowzers..

That's from Outsiders. And you should definitely be reading Outsiders. They're awesome.

Gotta love modern DC/Marvel american comic art.... faces change shape every other panel, people speak, yet mouths remain closed.

Now my hatred for how every other issue of IP whoring the IPs change shapes, sizes, way of talking and etc, is out of the way.
Man that was one hell of a well-written goodbye, and hit the Batman persona on the nail, and should be used as a model for Bat-writers.

Business first, yet when Bruce reveals something about his human side, it always hits you hard.

Damn... *snif*

JCM said:

Gotta love modern DC/Marvel american comic art.... faces change shape every other panel, people speak, yet mouths remain closed.

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You made me look a second time. The last 3 images of Bruce look as though he was drawn by 3 different artists.

sixpackshaker;272268][quote=JCM said:

Gotta love modern DC/Marvel american comic art.... faces change shape every other panel, people speak, yet mouths remain closed.

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You made me look a second time. The last 3 images of Bruce look as though he was drawn by 3 different artists.[/QUOTE]

That would be Andy Kubert's style. I've never been much of a fan since his run on Xmen back in the day. Every single character looks the same and he has some really weird art style going on at times.

Bowielee;272466][quote=sixpackshaker;272268][quote=JCM said:

Gotta love modern DC/Marvel american comic art.... faces change shape every other panel, people speak, yet mouths remain closed.

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You made me look a second time. The last 3 images of Bruce look as though he was drawn by 3 different artists.[/QUOTE]

That would be Andy Kubert's style. I've never been much of a fan since his run on Xmen back in the day. Every single character looks the same and he has some really weird art style going on at times.[/QUOTE]

And yet, looking at those panels, I wish I could do that.

I can draw cartooney. I can draw objects. But I cannot for the life of me draw human beings in an even semi-realistic style.

Rob King;272494][quote=Bowielee;272466][quote=sixpackshaker;272268][quote=JCM said:

Gotta love modern DC/Marvel american comic art.... faces change shape every other panel, people speak, yet mouths remain closed.

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You made me look a second time. The last 3 images of Bruce look as though he was drawn by 3 different artists.[/QUOTE]

That would be Andy Kubert's style. I've never been much of a fan since his run on Xmen back in the day. Every single character looks the same and he has some really weird art style going on at times.[/QUOTE]

And yet, looking at those panels, I wish I could do that.

I can draw cartooney. I can draw objects. But I cannot for the life of me draw human beings in an even semi-realistic style.[/QUOTE]The thing isnt drawing people, as there are countless artists who cant do that well, but american mainstream superhero comics not being able to design proper features for heroes.

Cut out Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent without glasses in any ten comics, without their typical clothes, and you'd be hard to know who the fuck is who.

Now manga, manhua, while being cartoony, seem to be able to actually design a character, and keep his features across countless comics/artists. Take Berserk or Gantz, for example, facial features are easy to define, and even should a character have his hair shaven, one could tell who is who.

Every character is given a face shape, a distinctive nose, eyebrows, chin and etc, and its kept (there are exceptions, mind you, ala Akira Toryiama, Hellsing's growing/shrinking of body parts and facial features and every other hentai comic).




Or even manhua like Sea tiger, or BDs such as Thorgal have characters that have consistent features.

Now, mind you, some american comics, ala Preacher, have managed to have consitent characters that dont suddenly grow a square chin, then a dimple, then suddenly go balding and then get a short forehead, all in the same comic.

And yes, Im looking at you Jeff Matsuda and Wolverine.

JCM said:

The thing isnt drawing people, as there are countless artists who cant do that well, but american mainstream superhero comics not being able to design proper features for heroes.

Cut out Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent without glasses in any ten comics, without their typical clothes, and you'd be hard to know who the fuck is who.

Now manga, manhua, while being cartoony, seem to be able to actually design a character, and keep his features across countless comics/artists. Take Berserk or Gantz, for example, facial features are easy to define, and even should a character have his hair shaven, one could tell who is who-

Or even manhua like Sea tiger, or BDs such as Thorgal have characters that have consistent features.

Now, mind you, some american comics, ala Preacher, have managed to have consitent characters that dont suddenly grow a square chin, then a dimple, then suddenly go balding and then get a short forehead, all in the same comic.

And yes, Im looking at you Jeff Matsuda and Wolverine.

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Well, one of the first things I learned when I started to draw is that anime-style characters are easier to keep consistent, because in most styles, their most distinguishing feature is their hair.

Now. I was a big fan of Ken Akamatsu (don't judge me!), and then Hisashi Hirai stole my heart. Akamatsu at least did do variations on faces. One character's face might be taller, or anther's wider. Hirai ... not so much, although a lot of minor characters in shows like Gundam SEED or s-CRY-ed do depart the typical style. I started trying to emulate that, but it didn't really work out ...

Then I stopped trying to draw manga, spent four years doodling in a very cartoony style, eventually starting to emulate Kurz ... now I'm trying to break away from that, and I'm having a hard time establishing a style I'm happy with. I sort of have a cartoon style that I'm happy with, but any time I try to do something more realistic-looking ... even if I'm not going for ultra-realism ... it just falls flat, and doesn't work.

I kinda grew up with Seinen manga, which run away from the usual anime 101 that Gundam and most Shounen manga have, examples, take Vagabond

Monster

Golgo 13

City Hunter

Death Note

Oldboy

Lone Wolf and Cub


Berserk is slightly cartoony, but its pretty much different, other ones can be added like 20th century boys, Ghost in the Shell, Alive!, Death Note!, Trinity Blood, Full Metal Alchemist....


Heck, the most cartoony manga I like is nana, even then each character looks different, without needing clothes or a costume


While each one had an artist's own style, each character is consistent, heck, I could take the main characters, shave their heads, and take a mug shot of each and I owuld be able to tell everyone apart with no problem.

Now modern american comics? Cyclops, Bruce Wayne and the like change haircut every damn week it seems, and get a nose job, fatten up and or/lose weight.

Hmm. Those are all very good. I guess I did paint manga with a fairly broad brush.

My point in all of this, though, is that I'm having trouble doing that

Wow, JCM doesn't like something American. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

drawn_inward said:

Wow, I doesn't like JCM talking about anything American. I am going to enter a thread and complain, without even reading the thread, or giving a differing opinion.

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I take it you are taking Chaz/L33t/Major Khaos/Janissary's place, and be one posting off-topic snipes no matter the thread's subject?

I love this forum.

What argument did I lose? I didn't know I was in an argument in the first place. Besides, I have been around since the Image forum. I know who all those guys are.

I am just sick of hearing your anti-American bullshit over and over.

You could have said that you didn't like typical DC/Marvel art. You had to say American art. You are clearly biased against all things USA.

And, yes, I am going to take an exception to it every time. I don't always say something, but I'm a little riled up today.

drawn_inward said:

You could have said that you didn't like typical DC/Marvel art. You had to say American art. You are clearly biased against all things USA.

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I don't particularly like Italian food.

Oh shit! I amz a bigot nao?

Describing it as an American art style is perfectly valid. I'm Canadian, and even while talking about local artists, I'll refer to their style as either 'American' or 'Japanese.'

Now, perhaps you're making an entirely separate point for JCM. Maybe there's a trend. But in this case, it's not necessarily indicative of a bias.

Rob King;272512][quote=drawn_inward said:

You could have said that you didn't like typical DC/Marvel art. You had to say American art. You are clearly biased against all things USA.

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I don't particularly like Italian food.

Oh shit! I amz a bigot nao?

Describing it as an American art style is perfectly valid. I'm Canadian, and even while talking about local artists, I'll refer to their style as either 'American' or 'Japanese.'

Now, perhaps you're making an entirely separate point for JCM. Maybe there's a trend. But in this case, it's not necessarily indicative of a bias.[/QUOTE]

I guess it was kind of troll-like for me to jump in the middle of a discussion, but I have seen USA-bashing from JCM ever since the Image boards.

I can't think of any other International folks on the board that consistently do that.

Maybe I'm just over-sensitive about the issue.

guys guys guys, lets not derail a comic thread.. we all like comics, or art or something comic related.. leave the flames to pm's.. please?

Personally I enjoy American art styles for comics. I enjoy anime/manga as well but to me, guys like Andy or Adam Kubert, Van Sciver, etc all draw some of the best art ever drawn

Mav said:

guys guys guys, lets not derail a comic thread.. we all like comics, or art or something comic related.. leave the flames to pm's.. please?

Personally I enjoy American art styles for comics. I enjoy anime/manga as well but to me, guys like Andy or Adam Kubert, Van Sciver, etc all draw some of the best art ever drawn

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My apologies Mav, and JCM. I've been a bit on-edge this week. Taking it out in all the wrong ways. Sorry to disrupt your thread.

On topic, that one page made me want to know what's going on in Bat's world. Sounds awesome. Who was the writer?

Group hugs!

I'm also a little curious about it. I've been meaning to read more comics. Perhaps I could start with the good ol Batman?

Otherwise, I was going to start reading the old Star Wars comic series that I just found collected in like ... 9 volumes at my local comic store.

guys guys guys, lets not derail a comic thread.. we all like comics, or art or something comic related.. leave the flames to pm's.. please?

Personally I enjoy American art styles for comics. I enjoy anime/manga as well but to me, guys like Andy or Adam Kubert, Van Sciver, etc all draw some of the best art ever drawn

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No sweat Mav.

The little kiddy there got peeved and couldnt read, and decided to make an idiot of himself by crying because I called out Marvel and DC American comic art, and no, their UK/Japanese stuff is just dandy, thank you. (Althouh Im looking at you 200AD for giving judge Dredd steroids every other issue)




Tell me its the same character? Doesnt look like it.

drawn_inward said:

Im going to troll off-topic and dance like a good monkey for JCM! You had to say American art. You are clearly biased against all things USA!! Yes, I cant read!!

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Guess there's yet another user whose life is so pathetic that he will now entertain me in my drinking game, and one day, dissapear like the past pathetic guys who take the internet too serious, along with Chaz, Computergate and every other whiner. Oh, and learn to read-

JCM-Gotta love modern DC/Marvel american comic art.... faces change shape every other panel, people speak, yet mouths remain closed.

JCM-Now, mind you, some american comics, ala Preacher, have managed to have consitent characters that dont suddenly grow a square chin, then a dimple, then suddenly go balding and then get a short forehead, all in the same comic.
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Pathetic reading skills, really kid, get a life, travel a bit, and maybe you'll get that head out of the arse.

Rob King said:

Group hugs!

I'm also a little curious about it. I've been meaning to read more comics. Perhaps I could start with the good ol Batman?

Otherwise, I was going to start reading the old Star Wars comic series that I just found collected in like ... 9 volumes at my local comic store.

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Anything Green Lantern is pretty awesome awesome now.

Im avoiding Marvel comics like the plague, so I cant help you there.

JCM said:

Rob King said:

Group hugs!

I'm also a little curious about it. I've been meaning to read more comics. Perhaps I could start with the good ol Batman?

Otherwise, I was going to start reading the old Star Wars comic series that I just found collected in like ... 9 volumes at my local comic store.

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Anything Green Lantern is pretty awesome awesome now.

Im avoiding Marvel comics like the plague, so I cant help you there.

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There's already a thread for that: http://www.halforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9510

JCM said:

Cut out Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent without glasses in any ten comics, without their typical clothes, and you'd be hard to know who the fuck is who.

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AND THAT'S HOW SUPERHEROES KEEP A SECRET IDENTITY!

@Li3n;272612][quote=JCM said:

Rob King said:

Group hugs!

I'm also a little curious about it. I've been meaning to read more comics. Perhaps I could start with the good ol Batman?

Otherwise, I was going to start reading the old Star Wars comic series that I just found collected in like ... 9 volumes at my local comic store.

Click to expand...

Anything Green Lantern is pretty awesome awesome now.

Im avoiding Marvel comics like the plague, so I cant help you there.

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There's already a thread for that: http://www.halforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9510[/QUOTE]Damn, I forgot that thread.

And to check out the new FF run.

JCM said:

guys guys guys, lets not derail a comic thread.. we all like comics, or art or something comic related.. leave the flames to pm's.. please?

Personally I enjoy American art styles for comics. I enjoy anime/manga as well but to me, guys like Andy or Adam Kubert, Van Sciver, etc all draw some of the best art ever drawn

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No sweat Mav.

The little kiddy there got peeved and couldnt read, and decided to make an idiot of himself by crying because I called out Marvel and DC American comic art, and no, their UK/Japanese stuff is just dandy, thank you. (Althouh Im looking at you 200AD for giving judge Dredd steroids every other issue)

Tell me its the same character? Doesnt look like it.

drawn_inward said:

Im going to troll off-topic and dance like a good monkey for JCM! You had to say American art. You are clearly biased against all things USA!! Yes, I cant read!!

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Guess there's yet another user whose life is so pathetic that he will now entertain me in my drinking game, and one day, dissapear like the past pathetic guys who take the internet too serious, along with Chaz, Computergate and every other whiner. Oh, and learn to read-

JCM-Gotta love modern DC/Marvel american comic art.... faces change shape every other panel, people speak, yet mouths remain closed.

JCM-Now, mind you, some american comics, ala Preacher, have managed to have consitent characters that dont suddenly grow a square chin, then a dimple, then suddenly go balding and then get a short forehead, all in the same comic.
:moon:



Pathetic reading skills, really kid, get a life, travel a bit, and maybe you'll get that head out of the arse.

Rob King said:

Group hugs!

I'm also a little curious about it. I've been meaning to read more comics. Perhaps I could start with the good ol Batman?

Otherwise, I was going to start reading the old Star Wars comic series that I just found collected in like ... 9 volumes at my local comic store.

Click to expand...

Anything Green Lantern is pretty awesome awesome now.

Im avoiding Marvel comics like the plague, so I cant help you there.

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Being a douche to someone who already apologized.

You're all class...

you should be reading detective comics right now anyway because batwoman rules and the art is gorgeous and the story is fantastic, welp, so long